Title: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: DolFan619 on March 25, 2008, 04:25:08 pm http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/
Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? This is a post about Jason Taylor but, sorry dance fans, it will not delve into his mambo. I will delve into his future. And that possibly could lead him to Jacksonville. I have been told by one NFL scout and one NFL assistant coach that Jacksonville coach Jack Del Rio (pictured) likes the idea of trading for Taylor. I am not sure exactly how far Del Rio has gone with this -- be it considering it and discarding the idea or actually pursuing the issue. But I do know the scenario of adding Taylor has been on the coach's mind. I will continue snooping around with some league sources and ask Del Rio about it directly at the NFL's annual meeting in Palm Beach next week. We'll soon find out if there is fire associated with this smoke. Anyway, the whispers have not risen to the level of actually writing about it in The Herald yet. But they are credible enough to be on this blog. Here is the scenario: The Jaguars are a pretty good team, good enough that they won 11 games last season and gave the Patriots a tough game in the playoffs. But the Jaguars realize there is a gap between good and great and they need more explosive players to be great. They tried to address that on offense this year by acquiring deep-threat receiver Jerry Porter in free agency. They need to address that on defense by either adding a game-changing defensive end or a safety that can collect turnovers. The bottom line is the Jacksonville defense will beat up an opponent but won't win a game. It needs a safety that can return an interception for a TD or an end that can sack the QB, cause a fumble, scoop it up, and run for the score. Taylor is the latter. Here's the issue: The Jaguars have the No. 26 pick in the draft and they definitely don't want to give that to Miami for Taylor. Their second rounder is No. 58 and while they might think this is still too much to give away, the Dolphins will probably think it too low a pick for Taylor. So if this is to happen, Del Rio and the Jags would have to convince themselves No. 58 is doable and perhaps give up a second day pick as well. This while the Dolphins would, first of all, have to decide trading Taylor is right -- remember that Bill Parcells said it wouldn't happen -- and then accept the fact a low second-rounder is the best they could do for the soon-to-be 34-year-old player. This is not imminent. But are the Jaguars one of the teams interested in Taylor? You bet. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: StL FinFan on March 25, 2008, 06:09:41 pm Is everyone else getting as tired of this Jason Taylor soap opera as I am? :-\
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on March 25, 2008, 06:29:34 pm Jason Taylor for the #58 pick in the draft? I'd do it, considering he was drafted in the third round by the Dolphins.
That would give us four picks in the first 58. If we pull off that trade with Dallas that the rumors don't die about, that would give us five, plus a stud running back. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Brian Fein on March 25, 2008, 06:52:17 pm The rumors don't die because YOU keep bringing them up. Isn't it enough that they traded Julius Jones to Seattle to squash it?
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: fyo on March 25, 2008, 06:56:25 pm I'd do it, considering he was drafted in the third round by the Dolphins. WHO CARES where he was drafted? By that logic, the Patriots should be all over a 3rd rounder for Brady. It's fair enough that you would make the trade, but if that opinion is based in any way on where he was drafted back in '97... well... that's just plain stupid. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Matt McGuire on March 25, 2008, 07:55:30 pm What do you expect to get for a 33 year old defensive end? I'd take the Jags high third round pick from Buffalo in a heartbeat.
And if you listened to my TDMMC appearence 2 weeks ago I did mention the Jags as a potential trading partner for JT. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Philly Fin Fan on March 25, 2008, 08:07:02 pm The rumors don't die because YOU keep bringing them up. Isn't it enough that they traded Julius Jones to Seattle to squash it? While I agree with your thoughts about this rumor, Julius was a free agent. He went to Seattle of his own free will, not in a trade. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: fyo on March 25, 2008, 08:39:39 pm I'm not sold on the idea of getting draft picks for ALL you veterans. I believe the massive amount of youth on the team will need some veteran leadership and I'm just not convinced that the benefit of a 2nd round pick outweighs the leadership that a guy like Taylor brings to the team.
Remember, there's a very good chance we'll struggle at times this coming season and if our young players are to develop, they're going to need to keep chugging away. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: bsfins on March 25, 2008, 09:19:35 pm I'm not sold on the idea of getting draft picks for ALL you veterans. I believe the massive amount of youth on the team will need some veteran leadership and I'm just not convinced that the benefit of a 2nd round pick outweighs the leadership that a guy like Taylor brings to the team. We've not gotten rid of all our veterans...We still have Vonnie Holiday,We brought in Ferguson, (Like him or not )Joey Porter, and in the secondary Will Allen,and Y. Bell....Remember, there's a very good chance we'll struggle at times this coming season and if our young players are to develop, they're going to need to keep chugging away. We need more younger players to step up and be leaders of the future (when Taylor is gone) So I don't buy that We need veterans arguement here....This team is an aging defense that needs more youth..... Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: doctord56 on March 25, 2008, 09:54:50 pm The bottom line is likely, in my opinion, that Parcells/Ireland will listen to reasonable offers for anyone on the team, including JT, and that no one is invulnerable. For now, the company line is that JT will be a dolphin next year. To say anything otherwise smacks of desperation to get rid of him, and dampens his potential value in trade to a team that thinks it is "one player away". If no deal materializes, then JT is a dolphin next year, and he'll probably play very well and be a locker room leader to a group of young defensive players. But if some team comes along with the right deal at the right price, he'll be gone.
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Matt McGuire on March 25, 2008, 10:24:37 pm The bottom line is likely, in my opinion, that Parcells/Ireland will listen to reasonable offers for anyone on the team, including JT, and that no one is invulnerable. For now, the company line is that JT will be a dolphin next year. To say anything otherwise smacks of desperation to get rid of him, and dampens his potential value in trade to a team that thinks it is "one player away". Welcome to the world of trading. You have to act like you are going to keep him (bluff) and demand a 2nd round pick for Taylor, when in reality you want a 3rd round pick. I'm not sold on the idea of getting draft picks for ALL you veterans. I believe the massive amount of youth on the team will need some veteran leadership and I'm just not convinced that the benefit of a 2nd round pick outweighs the leadership that a guy like Taylor brings to the team. Remember, there's a very good chance we'll struggle at times this coming season and if our young players are to develop, they're going to need to keep chugging away. Yeah...assitant coaches teach the young players how to play. Chris Long doesn't need Jason Taylor to learn how to play football. How come these rookies and young players can't learn from Reggie Torbor, Yeremiah Bell, Jason Ferguson, Randy Starks, Matt Roth, etc. I mean Parcells had no problem cutting Zach Thomas, why would Taylor be any different in terms of trading him? Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on March 26, 2008, 12:09:18 am WHO CARES where he was drafted? By that logic, the Patriots should be all over a 3rd rounder for Brady. It's fair enough that you would make the trade, but if that opinion is based in any way on where he was drafted back in '97... well... that's just plain stupid. You know what the difference is? Tom Brady is in his prime. Jason Taylor is in the twilight of his career. If he were Tom Brady's age, he'd be worth a 1st rounder for sure. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: StL FinFan on March 26, 2008, 01:29:31 am If he were in his prime, there would be no talk of him leaving Miami.
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: DZA on March 26, 2008, 02:45:33 am Is everyone else getting as tired of this Jason Taylor soap opera as I am? :-\ I with ya ! Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: fyo on March 26, 2008, 10:09:48 am You know what the difference is? Tom Brady is in his prime. Jason Taylor is in the twilight of his career. If he were Tom Brady's age, he'd be worth a 1st rounder for sure. So, what you're saying is that a player's worth is determined by his abilities and his potential? Wow, never thought you'd come that far. In other words, it doesn't matter squat where he was drafted. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Defense54 on March 26, 2008, 12:49:37 pm I think there is something to be said for having 1 great leader left in the locker room to help teach the Younger prospects and to have something, anything to build around. That said Never believe anything Parcells says. Just because he says Taylor is staying that doesn't mean squat. The one thing I know is that what ever he does he will do for the better of the team.
The only thing that bothers me about Taylor is that he was thinking about retirement a year or 2 ago. For us to keep him just to see him retire to pursue a Hollywood career next season would suck when we could have gotten serious trade value for him. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Matt McGuire on March 26, 2008, 01:44:16 pm I think there is something to be said for having 1 great leader left in the locker room to help teach the Younger prospects and to have something, anything to build around. That said Never believe anything Parcells says. Just because he says Taylor is staying that doesn't mean squat. The one thing I know is that what ever he does he will do for the better of the team. The only thing that bothers me about Taylor is that he was thinking about retirement a year or 2 ago. For us to keep him just to see him retire to pursue a Hollywood career next season would suck when we could have gotten serious trade value for him. Just because you aren't a big name doesn't mean you aren't a big leader. Bell and Ferguson are going to be leaders in that locker room. So will Chris Long from day one of rookie camp. I think adding an ILB, NT, or TE in the 3rd or 4th round (what you will get for Taylor) is much better value than his overrated leadership (I say that because it is easily replaceable). Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: gocowboys31 on March 26, 2008, 02:33:35 pm I think this bears wacthing. I just heard David Lamb Jacksonville Radio host on the Jorge Sedano. He said the jags are serious about this. They won't surrender a number 1, but a 2 and 3 is possible. Lamb feels the jags need a premier pass rusher playing in a division with Peyton manning and also when they played the pats Brady was just allowed to sit back there and pick them apart. The secondary is set with addition of Drayton Florence. They need that game changing pass rusher.
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: DolFan619 on March 26, 2008, 02:44:53 pm I think there is something to be said for having 1 great leader left in the locker room to help teach the Younger prospects What the Miami Dolphins need are new locker room leaders. It's high time for some of the younger guys to start taking some ownership in this team. Zach and Jason stepped up after Marino retired. Now, it's time for somebody else to take the reigns now that Zach is gone, and Jason's exodus draws nearer. He said the jags are serious about this. They won't surrender a number 1, but a 2 and 3 is possible. If Jacksonville is willing to part with a 2nd and a 3rd round draft pick, that's a deal worth pulling the trigger on. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on March 26, 2008, 02:55:13 pm I think this bears wacthing. I just heard David Lamb Jacksonville Radio host on the Jorge Sedano. He said the jags are serious about this. They won't surrender a number 1, but a 2 and 3 is possible. Lamb feels the jags need a premier pass rusher playing in a division with Peyton manning and also when they played the pats Brady was just allowed to sit back there and pick them apart. The secondary is set with addition of Drayton Florence. They need that game changing pass rusher. If Jax wants to offer a 2nd AND a 3rd rounder, I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Matt McGuire on March 26, 2008, 03:02:41 pm LOL no chance you get a 2nd and 3rd much less just a 2nd rounder which I would be shocked if you got it.
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on March 26, 2008, 03:04:20 pm LOL no chance you get a 2nd and 3rd much less just a 2nd rounder which I would be shocked if you got it. I agree that a 2nd and a 3rd is too much for a DE in the twilight of his career. Their 2nd is probably what it's gonna be. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Defense54 on March 26, 2008, 04:24:55 pm LOL no chance you get a 2nd and 3rd much less just a 2nd rounder which I would be shocked if you got it. The Dolphins would be 0-16 without Jason Taylor. The Dolphins know it , The Ravens know it, and Jacksonville or whoever is interested in him know it. He is still a game changer. He can easily take a good defense and put them over the top. Jason has had a few injuries but nothing serious. His Body Frame and weight make it alot less stressful on the body and knees. He's got a solid 3-4 more years left in him easy as long as he wants to play. That's the key right there. If he says he will play at least 3 more years a 2nd rounder on him is a no brainier. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Slippery Soap on March 26, 2008, 04:31:09 pm The only way I trade Taylor is if it is part of swing deal to bring Brady Quinn back to Miami.
Other then that Tinkle Toes Taylor is a Fin for Life. No parole. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: StL FinFan on March 26, 2008, 04:36:52 pm The only way I trade Taylor is if it is part of swing deal to bring Brady Quinn back to Miami. Other then that Tinkle Toes Taylor is a Fin for Life. No parole. I still have not had an answer as to why so many people have a woody for Brady Quinn. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: DZA on March 26, 2008, 05:05:21 pm I could care less about Quinn. Then again I did not like the fact that Miami Chose Ginn as well. Many Fans wanted Quinn becasue he was the top QB and Miami passed on him . Time will tell if Quinn would have been the Answer.
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Matt McGuire on March 26, 2008, 05:26:55 pm The Dolphins would be 0-16 without Jason Taylor. The Dolphins know it , The Ravens know it, and Jacksonville or whoever is interested in him know it. He is still a game changer. He can easily take a good defense and put them over the top. Jason has had a few injuries but nothing serious. His Body Frame and weight make it alot less stressful on the body and knees. He's got a solid 3-4 more years left in him easy as long as he wants to play. That's the key right there. If he says he will play at least 3 more years a 2nd rounder on him is a no brainier. Takes more than one player to win games evidenced by the outstanding 1-15 record which is only one game off from 0-16. Taylor isn't even as good a fit in the 34 as he is in the 43. Trade him and build for the future. What he says and what is reality is different. Like I said on TDMMC it didn't take Simeon Rice long for his career to come to a screeching halt. You lose that great speed and your career could be over. Of course Taylor isn't gonna say, "I got one more year left...maybe." Duh. You have to look outside the box. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Defense54 on March 27, 2008, 12:34:26 am Brady Quinn? That ship has sailed people. Do I wish Camoron had picked him instead of Ginn? You betcha........so does Cam. He might still have a head coaching Job. But No way is the Tuna interested in the guy now . Never gonna happen so why waste any time talking about it................
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: ABuccsFan on March 28, 2008, 02:11:01 pm Hey man they're gonna want to leave off with Matt Jones because Porter is coming and they're really gunning for the Super Bowl. Why not trade even? Matt Jones probably as ready as he'll ever be, with the other Jones (-Drew) getting all the attention.
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Philly Fin Fan on March 28, 2008, 04:58:33 pm Hey man they're gonna want to leave off with Matt Jones because Porter is coming and they're really gunning for the Super Bowl. Why not trade even? Matt Jones probably as ready as he'll ever be, with the other Jones (-Drew) getting all the attention. I have no idea what point you are trying to make with all the run on sentences. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: bsfins on March 28, 2008, 05:06:12 pm I feel like the Vikings are the team that might be the most interested in Jason's services....They've been mentioned twice now in 2 different rumors to be intrested....
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: DolFan619 on March 28, 2008, 05:15:59 pm I feel like the Vikings are the team that might be the most interested in Jason's services....They've been mentioned twice now in 2 different rumors to be intrested.... The latest rumor is involving OT Bryant McKinnie. http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/44834 Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on March 28, 2008, 05:21:36 pm The latest rumor is involving OT Bryant McKinnie. http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/44834 Jason Taylor for Bryant McKinnie, I would do in a heartbeat. I've seen McKinnie play at Miami, and watched him totally manhandle Jamal Reynolds (a known sack machine) in UM's upset win over FSU in 2000. He held Reynolds without a sack that game. We would get a young stud left tackle and be able to move Vernon Carey back to right tackle. If this trade goes through, that would pretty much guarantee that the Dolphins would take Chris Long #1 overall, assuming they don't trade down. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Doc-phin on March 28, 2008, 06:36:31 pm Jason Taylor for Bryant McKinnie, I would do in a heartbeat. If this trade goes through, that would pretty much guarantee that the Dolphins would take Chris Long #1 overall, assuming they don't trade down. I agree. This is the only type of senerio in which I think Chris Long is the best choice at #1. Conversely, if we keep Taylor I really think we should take Jake Long. For those saying we should take Matt Ryan, I just think he has too many interceptions at the collegiate level to use the #1 overall. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: doctord56 on March 28, 2008, 06:37:02 pm Who knows whether or not this rumor has any validity to it, or whether it is more smoke and mist. But like Tommy said, I'd take McKinnie in a second as he would solve the left tackle problem for the next seven years. This assumes, of course, that he behaves himself and grows up and doesn't fondle anybody on a boat or fight cops.
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Matt McGuire on March 28, 2008, 07:22:47 pm Man you guys are having wet dreams if you think Minnesota would trade McKinney for Jason Taylor straight up. McKinney is one of the top LTs in the NFL.
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: DolFan619 on March 28, 2008, 07:30:30 pm Man you guys are having wet dreams if you think Minnesota would trade McKinney for Jason Taylor straight up. McKinney is one of the top LTs in the NFL. When Rick Spielman is in charge of a franchise, just about any trade is possible. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: DolFan619 on March 28, 2008, 07:36:54 pm Who knows whether or not this rumor has any validity to it, or whether it is more smoke and mist. But like Tommy said, I'd take McKinnie in a second as he would solve the left tackle problem for the next seven years. This assumes, of course, that he behaves himself and grows up and doesn't fondle anybody on a boat or fight cops. Bryant McKinnie is one of the NFL's premiere left tackles. However, as you pointed out there are serious character concerns with McKinnie. Can he be trusted to straighten up and fly right? Parcells, Ireland, and Sparano need to have a good, LONG, talk with McKinnie before considering any kind of trade. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: ABuccsFan on March 31, 2008, 08:58:33 am I have no idea what point you are trying to make with all the run on sentences. If a run-on sentence is going to throw everyone off, then its no wonder the Don-Fan base is ineffective. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: Philly Fin Fan on March 31, 2008, 05:28:04 pm If a run-on sentence is going to throw everyone off, then its no wonder the Don-Fan base is ineffective. Thanks for the insult. If you make all of your statements as clear as the insult, I'm sure more people would understand the points you are trying to make. Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: ABuccsFan on March 31, 2008, 07:48:54 pm I think the Jags have WR Porter. They may consider nudging Matt Jones, if he doesn't improve big time, off their roster. The Fins could use him. Don't let this one get away. Ole skinhead can serve as trade bait.
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: StL FinFan on March 31, 2008, 07:52:28 pm Matt Jones? Why would the Dolphins want him? He sucks.
Title: Re: Jaguars interested in Jason Taylor? Post by: TEKGOD on March 31, 2008, 07:57:15 pm Jason Taylor for Bryant McKinnie, I would do in a heartbeat. I've seen McKinnie play at Miami, and watched him totally manhandle Jamal Reynolds (a known sack machine) in UM's upset win over FSU in 2000. He held Reynolds without a sack that game. We would get a young stud left tackle and be able to move Vernon Carey back to right tackle. If this trade goes through, that would pretty much guarantee that the Dolphins would take Chris Long #1 overall, assuming they don't trade down. LOL that was no upset --- UM's defense exposed the overrated Semenhole offense that game & caused 5 turnovers & Wienke running for his life. I was glad when OU smacked them again in the NC, though they shouldnt have been there in the first place, the U was robbed that year since we beat you punks head-to-head. About JT though, the Vikings arent stupid enough to trade McKinney straight up. And I *hope* we are not dumb enough to start mortgaging picks again. Plenty of good OL in this draft including Harvey that we have a shot at. I see no need to shop heavy right now. |