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Michael Vick may never play in the NFL again. But his football days are far from over.

Vick, a three-time Pro Bowl quarterback who is currently serving a 23-month prison sentence in Leavenworth, Kan. for financing a dogfighting ring, is playing football in prison, Falcons owner Arthur Blank told the New York Daily News.

"He is staying in shape," Blank told the Daily News. "Apparently, there was a prison football team and he played quarterback for both sides."

Blank and Vick have been communicating through letters, a process Vick initiated, Blank told the Daily News.

"He's written me a couple of times," Blank said. "I've written him back, he's stayed in touch."

The former Atlanta star is also washing pots and pans for 12 cents an hour, Blank told the newspaper — a far cry from the $130 million contract he used to have.

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New movie?  The "Longest Yard 2" staring Mike Vick!

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I guarantee that Vick = the most popular inmate at Leavanworth. He's friends with everyone and no-one fucks him in the ass. Why? He's rich and famous.

He was rich.  Now he'll have to repay the Falcons a ton of money

he's got all that money sitting in a prison account so he can buy stuff.  and he'll be back in an NFL uniform in 2009

Vick's earliest possible release date is summer 2009. You really think Goodell will reinstate him immediately?

I'm not at all convinced that he'll EVER be reinstated, but if he does, 2010 sounds a lot more realistic.

^ and backing someone else up...at best.

I albsolutely agree especially where Goddell punish blacks more then whites(Bill Belicheck).

Way to inject race into the issue. Much, much, much more likely is "where Goodell punishes PLAYERS more than COACHES/TEAMS/OWNERS".

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Belichick broke league rules. Vick broke the law.

Huge difference. 

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Why are we even talking about this jerk and why does every thread turn into a race or religious debate?

Unanswered questions of the universe.  :P

This rumor is horseshit...Vick isn't playing ANY football right now. They were talking on the Ticket today about that, and it was a fabricated story.


RTW...I remember a version of that cartoon from the 80's with different "characters of the era," but it was one white and one black character. Gags based on timeless truths never go out of style. ;)

  Great point and post RTW!!  Awesome cartoon as well!!  Comparing what Bellichick did... to what Vick did... is friggin ridiculous.  Vick is nothing more then a thug scumbag.  If it were up to me, Vick would rot in jail the rest of his miserable life.  Goddell should never let that piece of shit play in the NFL again.

12 cent an hour in Prison.  I never knew that prisoners made hourly wages.   So thats where my extra tax money goes.  :o

God what a DUMB quote.   Please retract this statement. Its just not necessary to push whatever other agendas you might have here. I seriously find the above statement offensive and ask the Mods here to take care of it.

^^^ Sorry, 5499... While I agree with you that it is a reeeeeally stupid (and inaccurate) post, and likely the end-product of a completely non thread-related agenda, I'm not going to delete it. First, it wasn't directed at any board member, so can't be construed as a personal attack, and it's only offensive aspect is it's stupidity. Second, this board is about expressing opinions, no matter how lame and ungrounded they might be. Third, I'd now have to edit or delete three different posts to purge it completely.

So instead, why don't we just try to ignore it?

I knew a soldier in the army who had spent almost a year in prison before being exonerated and released. He told me that football was damned near all they did for recreation at that facility. Every day, every chance they could get to be in the yard, they played football. Personally, I hope I never have to spend a single night in a "real" prison, but any place that encourages you to play football a lot can't be ALL bad, can it?

I hear ya. Its just when I see people relate to that level just to make a point It really pisses me off. 

That's my cue!

Dan Marino was a starter for 17 years and went to 1 Super Bowl.

David Woodley was a starter for 3 seasons and went to 1 Super Bowl.

Ergo, David Woodley is over 5x better than Dan Marino.


TOP THAT LAME OPINION!  I DARE YA!!!

Maybe we ought to start a lame opinion thread on off topic.  ;D

No Problem!   Trent Dilfer Has won a Superbowl...........so that makes him a superior QB then Both!!   ::) ;D

Charles Haley WON 5 Super Bowls, proving conclusively that he was the greatest player to ever live.

;)

Adam Vineteri has won 4 superbowl rings, if Dan was half the athlete he was he would have atleast one.Now thats lame.

Nope.........you took the cake with your first Post. Can't get more Lame..... :-X

Mark my words....

Someday, SOMEDAY, I'll be lamer than Defense5499 and Sunstroke! 

Shouldn't I get some sort handicap since I'm not a professional?  :P

You are, at the very least, halfway to your goal. We're all very proud of you...

;)

Patience Grasshopper........Patience. You will get there.  8)

But those guys are only half as lame as the lamest person on the board. I won't mention his name, but I bet you all know who it is  ;)

As with most things that require a perspective, lameness is in the eye of the beholder.

I think I know who Philly is referring to though, and even being compared to the halfway point of that person's lameness is offensive.  ;)

I almost think thats a compliment........... ;D

WHat happen to Mike Vick?????    Isn't  this topic about him  and his prison team.  Not about David Woodley or  Danny's  Super Bowl Chases. 

Hopefully he's sitting in a 6x10 cell thinking about what could have been if he hadn't had such douche-bags for friends and He had a Moral compass worth a shit.

Going from a $130 million contract to making 12 cents an hour will do that to you.....

Although he probably bribed the hacks for more comfortable digs.

I still find it funny that there is all this outrage over Mike Vick heading a dogfighting operation... meanwhile Leonard Little personally killed another human while driving drunk and he's still in the league.

If I were the son or husband of the woman Leonard Little killed, I don't know whether I would laugh or scream any time someone went on a tirade about Mike Vick.

Susan Gutweiler (not sure of spelling) left behind a husband and son.  She didn't die right away when Little ran a red light and t-boned her car, either.  I cringe whenever I hear his name called.  The Rams circled their wagons around him and protected him and made excuses for him.  If that happened today, I hope things would be different.  As far as him getting little jail time, a friend of one of my cousins killed someone while driving drunk and received little jail time and then probation, so I don't believe he was given special treatment there.

As careless and Stupid the decision to drive drunk by Little was........it was still not a conscious intent to kill anybody.  What Micheal Vick did shows a complete lack of any Moral character. He's a despicable Human being. This country is FILLED with drunk drivers........as I'm sure these very pages are. The only difference between them and Mr Little is that he had an accident and the result was somebody died. How many people do you know that likes to drown dogs in a pool of water ? Thats a sick bastard. Bad Comparision............ :P

Agreed.  Leonard Little did something very stupid, but he had no intention of taking that woman's life.  Michael Vick had every intention of seeing those dogs die.

Let me just add, after rereading my post I did NOT mean to make light of drunk driving and that womens death. Horrible incident that Mr Little will have to carry with him the rest of his life. But I just think that the difference and the meaning of intent needed to be brought out.

  Very EXCELLENT post Defense!!!  It is a joke to compare what Little did to what Mike Vick did.  It was very stupid and irresponsible for Little to drive drunk the night he had his ACCIDENT.  I am pretty sure he did not plan on running into someone and killing them on his way home.  Mike (scumbag) Vick not only financed the operation of killing dogs, he PARTICIPATED in the electricution, drowning and torturing of 8 dogs.  He is a cold hearted piece of shit that should be locked away the rest of his life. 
   

What Spider Dan was saying was proven by you guys.  A woman dies and leaves a widowed husband and a mother-less son yet Vick gets people calling for his execution.  If it wasn't for this thread I probably wouldn't have even heard of the Little incident.  Regardless of intent or not, the truth of the matter is that those dogs aren't going to be mourned by a son and a husband for the rest of their lives.

Fair enough. But would you rather have dinner with a man who also mourns the death of that mother and is sorry fr his actions...........or would you rather engage in a dinner convrsation with a guy who openly murdered and toutured dogs by extremly sick methods and is only sorry becuase he got caught?  Do you believe in second chances? If not fine. I hope you are perfect then.  If so...........who do you believe deserves the second chance?  I am quite confident you yourself have driven over the legal alcohol limit or at the very least know someone who has. Are they bad people or just people that made a bad descision ?

I'm not apologizing for Vick.  Fuck him for what he did.  However, the end result of Little's incident is a lot more tragic and just as preventable. 

You speak of second chances yet Vick is done and done.  Since that is how you feel, I hope you are perfect.  I too am quite confident you yourself have spanked an annoying dog for chewing on your stuff or pissing everywhere.  Of course this is not on the same level as Vick's sick actions, however, I also have never killed anyone nor do I know anyone who has.

Bottom line is there is no need to villify Vick further, especially to me.  I hate the guy for his actions and hope he never plays in the league again.  A father and son left without their wife and mother (in my book at least) is a lot worse.  It is quite surprising as expressed by Spider-Dan that Vick still gets depicted as sub-human while Little gets a pass for this.  As an ardent animal lover, it is hard to compare both actions, Little's mistake far beyond surpasses Vick's intentional actions.

Wow your rationalizations are just incredible.  Your spanking a dog reference has absolutely nothing to do with anything in this thread.   

This is it in a Nutshell: I didn't make the comparison of Vick and Little but it is there and you seem to be defending it . Mike Vick cannot be changed. He consciously  and deliberately , and of sound mind and body , murdered and tortured several animals until death.  This is not the kind of thing that can be changed. Your personality is what it is. He will learn through therapy why what he did was wrong.......but the complete lack of any conscious or soul.......to look into a dying animals eyes and to listen to it howl and cry until it dies is a personality trait that can not be fixed. He is a broken human being.


What Little did was extremely dumb and it effected many. But he was not of sound mind and did make a horrible decision while under the influence. This does not in anyway make what he did right.........but I am quite sure if he knew his actions were going to kill an innocent person he would have called a cab. In the eyes of the Law and just humanity in general a persons INTENT is the number one factor that a person is judged by. That is why there are many degrees of law and punishment. Murder 1 is very different from Murder in the 2nd degree or even the 3rd. Once you establish The intent or the lack there of you can get into the other circumstances. Property damage, people injured or killed as a result of an action, but not an intent.

Somebody like little who has no criminal record and simply made a mistake deserves a second chance like anyone else in his position. He Has a soul and he deserves a second chance to make a difference in society. if he does it again.........well, all bets are off. But he can make a mistake like anyone else. I know Hundreds of people that got caught Driving drunk. Some had minor accidents, others just got pulled over. ANYONE of them could have been in Mr Littles shoes.  We cannot shun half of society. You would be hard pressed to find 1 person on these pages, in your place of work, at your church anywhere where someone who has NEVER drove over the legal limit. But I dare you to find 1 person........just one who has killed and tortured an animal for enjoyment yet alone several.

I've wasted too much time here. If you don't get it from this point on I can't help you. Good luck.

LOL...well the infallible Defensewhatever has taken enough of his time to "help" me.  Last time I checked murder 1 is not applicable to animals, in fact, check out how puppy mills rid their "livestock" when it is of no use to them.  By your standards all employees at factory farms have deep seeded psychological issues and should be thrown away in jail. 

One more thing, friend.  If you don't know by now that getting behind the wheel while hammered is a threat to others' lives then you need to be put into a ring with a pitbull and electrocuted.  You're sure if Little knew he was going to kill someone, he would have called a cab?  I'm sure the loser of russian roulette would say the same thing.  But thats just more of my crazy "rationalizations" right?

 


 DUH. Are you that delusional that you can't see I was just showing different levels of intent  and that of course that doesn't apply to animals? Do you even know what the difference between intent and an action is? Maybe my mistake is just not realizing you just don't know any better?



It appears now that was a mistake. Good luck with your thought process.

This is entertaining.  Like slapstick comedy.  Its apparrent that you couldn't comprehend my point if I drew you a picture.  But then again looking at your track record it doesn't come as that big of a surprise.  "I don't have anything...soooooo....YOU'RE DUMB!!!"...typical...

You're right dude.  I'm dumber than you.  Your points clearly struck down my argument and made it look weak.  Do I know the difference between intent and an action?  NO...WHAT IS THAT?  Could it be anything like the difference between a human's life and a dog's?  Please teach me Socrates.  Life will have no meaning without your wisdom in my life.

Thanks for the good wishes on my thought process.  I'll be sure to use it appropriately when doing something retarded like calling out another forum member to a fight. 

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This almost counteracts my shame and restores my faith after the comment about the Pope and the screwdriver.



Little PURPOSELY drove drunk fully knowing what could happen.  It's not much different than closing your eyes and random firing a weapon and then being surprised if you hit someone. 

Will you two knock it off please. 

 

Little PURPOSELY drove drunk fully knowing what could happen.  It's not much different than closing your eyes and random firing a weapon and then being surprised if you hit someone. 
 

Wow.   OK then. Glad you guys aren't in charge.  If so we would have most of society in a jail cell .  Be a faster commute to work though!  :D

I'll save you a seat on the "personal responsibility" band wagon for when, God forbid, it happens to someone you love.   ;)

Leonard Little got caught driving drunk again and got off on a technicality.  To me that shows no remorse or regret for what he had done before.  I would hope that if something like that happened today in the NFL, more than a 4 game suspension would be handed out.

Yes, Micheal Vick intentionally did what he did, but drinking (at a team function no less) and getting behind the wheel is at the very least irresponsible.  He didn't intend to kill someone, but he did.  The fact that he was at a team function makes it worse because nobody tried to stop him from driving drunk.  They instead decided to make excuses for him.

That being said, I don't think you can compare the two.  I value all life, but I value human life over animal life, no matter if it was intended to be taken or not.

 


No doubt. You place an animal or a Human being on a sinking raft and you can only rescue 1 of course I'd go with the Human life. But that's not the case here. No one choose anything over the other. You are only looking at the result. People cannot predict the future so they cannot always be aware of the result of their actions. I never made light of what Little did. Only that he did not intentionally set out to kill anyone. However Vick did INTENTIONALLY intend to take several lives of different animals repeatedly with no remorse.

Just out of curiosity D5499, are you anti-fur, anti-leather and a vegan?

^ I'm going to guess no. 

It takes some real genius to bring us on the same side of a subject, doesn't it runz?  Even though it is a little chilly...

^^  I think that Defense has made ALOT of excellent points so far in this discussion that I happen to agree with 100%.   If you do not agree with them, that's cool, but that does not mean you are right and we are wrong.  ALL LIFE is important to me.    Both are terrible crimes, but 2 totally different circumstances. 
     Guru....Have you ever driven under the influence of Alcohol? 

^ Rick...Have you ever eaten pork?

The man asked you a simple question..........Why can't you just answer it?

I'm 41. Back in my 20's in the 80's I did it nightly. I'm not proud of it , but only now can I see how lucky I am that I didn't have an accident or cause somebody great bodily injury.  I've arrested People with Alcohol content 3x the legal limit who didn't have an accident........they just had a brake light out and I smelled the stench when I pulled them over. He got 6 months probation.

I've also seen people barely over the limit like a .09% Get 4 years in prison because they ran a red light and T boned somebody.

Whats the difference between the 2? Bad Luck. Bad Judgement. Circumstance. You just never know what fate has in store. Neither were bad people. Just unfortunate. I was very Fortunate...........as I'm sure EVERY person here was at least once in their life. We have all drove drunk at least once in our lifetimes.

Again I ask you the question you keep ignoring. Do you know 1 person who has ever tortured or Killed an animal?   

Lets see.............I had a Wendy's Double hamburger for Lunch. I have Leather seats in my Gas Guzzling Corvette..........But yeah I don't dig Fur. Not because of the animal, but because I don't like dressing up like Snoop Dog when I go out.  :-*


 

I don't know anyone who has ever killed a human being as a result of drunk driving.

As far as your killing and torturing animals question, go here ---> www.peta.org (http://www.peta.org) theres plenty of killers and torturers of animals whom I'm 100% sure you support.

By the way your response to runz is typical ignorance/hypocrisy.  On one hand you condemn killers of animals and on the other you gloat about how manly you are...wow.

I'm sure you know how those cows got tortured in order to line your seats.  But it doesn't matter because you approve of that, right?  I'll help runz save you a seat on that bandwagon.

RUN AROUND.  Be a man.  Please answer Ricks question. Be honest for just one post . Did you ever drive drunk? At the very least do you know someone who has?

Answer my question.........Do you do PERSONALLY know anyone who has Tortured or killed an animal ?

You know the answer.  That's why weather you agree or not..........Why Mike Vick is Hated and Mr Little is not.

I'm done here bro. I 've wasted enough time with someone who at the very least won't be honest .  :P

A lot of people hate Leonard Little.  Ask around.

I'll do that next time I'm in a NFL Locker room.  ::)

For the record I don't like him much either. 

 mmm pork.  Of course I have eaten pork.   I do not butcher or torture my own meat though.  Also, Mike (piece of shit) Vick tortured, electrocuted and drowned DOMESTICATED animals, not LIVESTOCK.  These dogs were killed for no reason but for this sick bastard's pleasure of watching a breathing thing SUFFER and DIE.  They were not killed to feed people.  For the record, I am not a big fan of Leonard Little at all.   
   Guru...way to keep sidestepping  the question?  
   
        

Aren't livestock considered domesticated?   ;)

Except for his method, how is what Vick did different than the humane society gassing thousands of dogs a year?

Gassing is no longer an acceptable form of euthanasia.  Shelters euthanize animals because there are not enough homes for them all and because there are not enough resources to take care of them.  Big difference.

"Runaround" BWAHAHAHA!!! :D I thought wisdom came with age!  Both you and Rick are basing your weak arguments on the fact that everyone has driven buzzed...

So by your faulty logic if some asshole does 89 in a school zone and kills 7 kindergarteners, its ok because many other people have sped over the speed limit at one point in their lives. But let me guess..."What kind of reasoning is that?  You're stupid!  Blah blah....grumble grumble....nothing"

And Rick, what do you think owners of puppy mills consider their dogs to be?  Pets? 

Two compassionate animal lovers who feel that someone killing dogs is worse than a human, but at the same time contribute and support the same (and in some instances worse) torture and deaths of other animals.

Bottom line; as shitty as Vick is for what he did, Little did far worse.

OK, I admit it...I am pure evil. Before I eat any beef, I take the following steps:

1) I tie the live cow to a rack...can't have my meal getting away before it can be properly tortured

2) Drip water on its forehead...until it tells me where the best clover is in that cow's pasture.

3) Remove it's hooves with a pair of pliers. If it passes out from the pain, I use a cattle prod for its intended purpose to revive the subject

4) Finally, using local anaesthetic, I cut little pieces off the cow, then cook and eat the pieces in front of it.


You should see the pre-dinner ritual on chicken night...

There are plenty of homes and resources - it's just that many people choose not to use their homes and resources for pets.  Semantics?

Had Vick done the "right" thing and turned these violent dogs over to authorities wouldn't they have been euthanized anyways?

PETA kills way more animals than Vick ever did.  (link (http://www.petakillsanimals.com/))

I was no fan of Vick even before this mess.  What he did was wrong.  However, the extent of the outrage seems a bit sanctimonious.  I don't remember Ray Carruth getting this much discussion.  Perhaps that's only because he committed his heinous crime back in 1999 before the internet was so widespread?

Man, I'm sorry, but anytime a male fan of any San Francisco sports team utters the phrase, "I eat any beef..." I just can't help but remember the sick yet funny saying, "foreskin, the other white meat."

I told you I'd be as lame as you someday - I just didn't know it's be so soon!  ;)

PETA can kiss my ass.  :-*

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Rae Carruth only killed his pregnant girlfriend.  Maybe he didn't intend to kill her.

Where's Dave's beating off poem?

What's with the little homophobic snippets you've gotten into a habit of posting lately? Are you dealing with some lifestyle identity issues? If so, please keep your insecurities safely locked away...I don't have any interest in that sort of thing. Sorry, man...


You started out lamer, and have long since driven way down Lameness Lane, out past Tommy's ranch.

 I knew you weren't man enough to admit it.  You probably wear a Boy George T shirt to bed.........I'm sure you know NO one who has ever drank and drive? You are so full of shit I bet you resemble a Melting Chocolate bar.




Where do you come with these examples?  You are either the most dumb person I have ever met.......or you just really like to argue. Probably Both.



 WTF are you talking about and what does that have to do with drowning a dog?




 

 
I'll explain one more time because I can't believe your that dumb. your just ignoring it.........which makes you quite ignorant but hey........whatever floats your boat.  ;) I highlighted the key words to make it even more simple for you.(I don't want you getting a headache)

MURDER

  To kill either deliberately  and intentionally  or recklessly with extreme disregard for life.

Premeditation means with planning or deliberation. The amount of time needed for premeditation of a killing depends on the life and the circumstances. It must be long enough, after forming the intent to kill, for the killer to have been fully conscious  of the intent  and to have considered the killing.


Manslaughter:

the unlawful killing  of another  life without premeditation  or so-called "malice aforethought" (an evil intent prior to the killing). It is distinguished from murder  (which brings greater penalties) by lack of any prior intention  to kill a life or create a deadly situation.


Basically in a nutshell you believe 7 dogs lives are not worth a shit. Your an asshole......that's your problem. That doesn't make me and rick animal lovers.......just Human.

I really don't care because it has nothing to do with the argument. I'm just saying that the act itself........the amount of heartlessness and cruelty to be present in a person to do such a thing (repeatedly)is not a person I'd want to be around.  If you can't see that and your only point is to keep saying dumb childish things and keep making up dumb dumb points that have nothing to do with the argument..........Well rock on Bro.

But I know you see our point. I just wish you were man enough to admit it. If not then I apologize. You really are that stupid.   Good luck..........Vegas has another great human being to deal with.



 

I'm curious as to who you think is the most smarterest.

Only when my boyfriend isn't in bed with me.

41 years old and he cannot put together a single coherent thought into words.  Much less understand someone else's. 

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For anyone in search of the missing link, trace back this putz's family tree.  I'm sure there isn't that many branches and would not have to go that far to find something that resembles human but does not think like one.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Every message board could use a dose of Shakespeare once in awhile.   ;)

Methinks you just annoy me a little bit too much sometimes. It'll pass...

And...I've got your lady currently hanging low and to the left. ;)

 

Actually when resorting to attacks on my profession because you don't have anything else left to add to the conversation (never did actually) I would prefer this guy Please: 

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 Don't forget the giant doughnut in the next Picture ! God your clever.......... ::)

 

Well if you knew the character, you'd know that its more than just the profession.  He's actually more known for being the town retard than a cop...its just a coincidence you both happen to be cops.

 Oops......... :o

I guess the well has run dry on really clever things to say.......... :-*  :D

You'll get it someday.  I have faith.

OH THREAD GUARDIAN WHERE ART THOU??

 ;D ;D ;D

Watching...always watching.

I get it everyday bro.  People like you make me laugh. You are not the first ignorant Ahole I have tried to explain simple Law to and you won't be the last. I feel for the Vegas PD. Good Luck.  :-*

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