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I wish this Spygate thing would just go away.

But guess what? We now know that we can't put Wanny in the ROD. Supposedly, he was 3 out of 4 when the Patriots were taping Dolphin games! The meltdown in Foxboro probably had more to do with the O-Coordinator (one Norvell Turner) not changing the signals from game to game.

Miami actually was the better team between 2000 and 2004. But over the past 35 years (since the Sea of Hands game in Oakland in 74) the Dolphins always find ways to meltdown in key critical games, especially on the road.

I don't know what's going to happen with Belichick. I say that next year is his last year coaching the Patriots. Robert Kraft has a public relations disaster on his hands. The Patriots will be hated everywhere that they go outside of Foxbourough and even the so called bandwagon commentators (Simms, Nantz, Dierdorf) are jumping off the bandwagon.

I'd hold off putting Wanny in the ROD until this issue is resolved! ;D

I whole heartedly disagree...I think Spygate,does nothing absolve Wanny from horrible drafting,which we're still paying for.....ROD on.....

Lil B's words are true.

Ethurst,

You're talking about his performance against one team, as opposed to his overall performance.  What about all the other teams he was supposed to beat but didn't?   What about all the horrible decisions regarding player personnel?

Wanny's going to the ROD.  It's only a matter of time.

Well, Wanny... I'm sorry. I would make a terrible lawyer but that 10,000 dollars you and your wife Jan paid me to keep you out of the ROD just didn't work.

But thanks for the bread! I'm here in Jamaica amongst some of the most finest women in the world! I could not have been possible without your contribution!

Thanks, and I hope that Pitt has an awful year!

peace!

e/t

I was thinking of starting a separate thread about this, but it fits in well with this one.  Tom Brady has slammed ESPN in the media. 

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/05/13/tom-brady-rips-espn/?icid=1615988631x1202234759x1200304468

There he goes getting all whiny about ESPN making Spygate into a big thing.  Fact is, it is a big thing.  If he wants his name cleared, or to be looked more favorably on, he needs to shut up and cooperate with the invesitgation. 

I'm confused. I thought that ESPN stood for the New England Patriot headquarters for greatness.

Hmm, must be some other channel.

I have said this a thousand times, the only people that really want this to go away are Pats fans and sports talk show hosts that don't want to talk about it anymore (and a small minority of people like ethurst who probably don't like to see that poor dead horse kicked anymore).

If the roles were reversed and this were Miami, winners of three SB's and in the middle of a cheating scandle, Pats fans would be ALL OVER IT.

The Boston Globe, who broke the walk through story, are now retracting that story.  I am saying "bullshit" on this.  The "source" WAS Matt Walsh, I am sure of that as I am sure that I am sitting here today.  Someone got to him and those tapes of the walk through vanished and he is doubling back and saying "nope, wasn't me."  Under threat that Bob Kraft is going to sue them into tabloid status, the Herald is saying "okay, we were wrong" when they damn well knew they had a story with legs.  Press media is struggling financially right now, they can't afford a public backlash.  So they are following the dollars, not the news.

Herald retraction: http://www.bostonherald.com/ (http://www.bostonherald.com/)

Two words: cover up.  Anything less would threaten the entire infrastructure of the NFL. 

The Steelers stated -as the 2001 AFC title game wound down - 'it was like they were in the huddle with us.  Wow, were they prepared!'  Then it turns out that the Steelers were one of the teams taped.  And now the Steelers are saying 'it didn't matter?'  Why?  Because challenging it would be biting the hand that feeds them.

Another team that the Pats had tapes on: the Rams in a regular season game the same year they faced them in the Super Bowl.  People forget that St. Louis beat New England IN New England 24-17.

There is something deeper here, much deeper.  There are inconsistencies with the Carolina Panthers Super Bowl year as well.  I guess you folks can let this go if you want to, Maine is filing it away as something that should have been dug into more deeply.

What needs to be dug into more deeply is how common is this within the NFL. Believe me, I truly dislike the Pats but I have no misconceptions they are the only team doing this or something similar.

^^The Patriots are the most successful, yes?  This has been going on since 2001.  If you had a headache and took Advil and it didn't help the headache, you wouldn't take it again.  Why bother, right?  But if you took Advil and within 20 minutes - boom!  No headache!  You'd be a believer "hey, this works.  I saw benefit from it."

The Patriots have been taping since 2001.  It's now 2008.  They won three Super Bowls in that time.  If they didn't see any benefit in 2001 - they would have stopped.  They have a coach that literally run a franchise into the ground (Cleveland).  Mention his name in that town and you're lucky to leave without a bloody nose.  Suddenly he's a guru?  I'm not buying it.

Yes, I am interested in all levels of cheating.  But what am most intersted in is the highest levels of success with cheating to start.

So what can be done? We knew already they had been taping that long and no new evidence has come out. This is just the same story re-hashed. Find me something new and it is a story again, until then this is the same story.

The story was - they are taping defensive signals

The new story is - they were taping OFFENSE too!

The local news channel actually somehow showed some footage of the tapes (I thought those tapes were "destroyed?").  Its an end-zone view, it focuses on the coaches on the sidelines, then pans over to the play. 

Bellichick should be banned for life.  I'm kinda put off by the lackadaisical nature with which Goodell is handling this.

They taped the Charger cheerleaders too.  Why isn't the media showing more footage of that?

The original tapes were destroyed and these were the tapes provided by Matt Walsh during yesterday's meeting with Goodell. Did anyone actually beleive defensive signals were the only things being taped? The fottage I saw yesterday was all defensive anyway. Still nothing new here. If they were taping illegally, they were taping any and everything they could. Nothing shocking or new to me.

This is being done because the league views this as something that will tarnish the GAME and not the TEAM.  It's all about the bucks.

"A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."
^^That's basically how the NFL is looking at this.  The cost offset of chasing this down to it's core versus the long term bad exposure that the NFL will face.


Any reason to quote 'Fight Club' is a good reason.

The facts remain the Patriots cheated and they knew they were cheating, in that time they went to four superbowls, they won three of them all games were decided by 3 points or less. There is no way no how Goddell dealt with this properly, to me it appears he barely slapped them on wrist. Why wasn't Bellicheat suspended ? Why weren't players suspended, let see if you break the rules and take steroids to gain an upper hand you are suspended, but if you steal signals for YEARS to gain an upper hand you get a slap on the wrist and then all the evidence is destroyed, give me a break. We need to know the whole truth, and the Patriot organization needs to be punished.

Somehow the commissioner's office thinks that a first round pick, #31 overall, is a good punishment.  Not when they have pick #7, dumbass. ::)

Apparently it is reported that witnesses are willing to come forward to testify Walsh is lieing and covering up the walk through, which is why Spector wants a deeper probe.



WASHINGTON (AP)—Hold on, NFL. Spygate isn’t over. Not if an “incensed” senator from Pennsylvania has anything to do with it.

Sen. Arlen Specter on Wednesday called for an independent investigation of the New England Patriots’ taping of opposing coaches’ signals, possibly similar to the high-profile Mitchell Report on performance enhancing drugs in baseball.

“What is necessary is an objective investigation,” Specter said at a news conference in the Capitol. “And this one has not been objective.”

The Pennsylvania Republican was unforgiving of his criticism of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, saying that Goodell has made “ridiculous” assertions that wouldn’t fly “in kindergarten.” The Senator said Goodell was caught in an “apparent conflict of interest” because the NFL doesn’t want the public to lose confidence in the league’s integrity.

“They are enormous role models for everybody,” Specter said. “If you can cheat in the NFL, you can cheat in college, you can cheat in high school, you can cheat on your grade-school math test. There’s no limit as to what you can do. I think they owe the public a lot more candor and a lot more credibility.”

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Goodell essentially declared an end to Spygate after a 3 1/2 -hour meeting in New York on Tuesday morning with former New England video assistant Matt Walsh. Walsh supplied the league with videotapes of coaches’ signals made by the Patriots, but offered no new significant revelations about the cheating scandal that has threatened to taint the team’s three Super Bowl titles.

Goodell said afterward that the information from the interview with Walsh “was consistent with what we disciplined the Patriots for last fall,” when the commissioner docked the team a 2008 first-round draft pick and fined coach Bill Belichick $500,000 and the team $250,000.

But Specter held his own three-hour meeting with Walsh in Washington on Tuesday. He said Walsh detailed how the Patriots used videotaped signals to their advantage: an offensive player would memorize the signals, watch for them on the sideline and pass them on to assistant coach Charlie Weis, who would then inform quarterback Tom Brady.

“And they had some obviously good results,” Specter said.

The NFL released a statement later Wednesday.

“We respectfully disagree with Senator Specter’s characterization of the investigation conducted by our office. We are following up after yesterday’s meeting with Matt Walsh.”

Specter said he would prefer the NFL arrange the independent investigation and was willing to wait several months—while he continues to undergo chemotherapy treatments for Hodgkin’s disease—before calling for Congress to take what he called “corrective action.” Such action could include hearings or a full-blown Mitchell Report-type investigation. He said public reaction would determine the NFL’s next step.

“I would hope that the commissioner would do this on his own,” Specter said.

Patriots spokesman Stacey James said the team had no comment on Specter’s remarks.

Earlier Wednesday, the Boston Herald apologized for a story that said the Patriots videotaped a St. Louis Rams walkthrough before the 2002 Super Bowl.

In the apology, published in the newspaper’s Wednesday edition and posted on its Web site, the Herald said the story was based on sources “it believed to be credible.”

“We now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walkthrough ever existed,” the paper wrote.

 
The Boston Herald apologized t…

AP - May 14, 3:22 pm EDT
 â€œWe should not have published the allegation in the absence of firmer verification. The Boston Herald regrets the damage done to the team by publication of the allegation, and sincerely apologizes to its readers and to the New England Patriots’ owners, players, employees and fans for our error.”

Specter repeated his disapproval of Goodell’s decision to destroy the notes and tapes confiscated during the initial investigation last fall, as well as the “piecemeal” way the league has revealed details about the tapings. He also cited the fact a Patriots attorney sat in on Walsh’s meeting with Goodell as proof the investigation has not been impartial.

“That sequence is incomprehensible,” Specter said. “It’s an insult to the intelligence of the people who follow it.”

Specter’s interest in Spygate centers in part on the two NFL teams in his state. The Philadelphia Eagles lost to the Patriots in the Super Bowl in 2005, the same season in which the Steelers were defeated by New England in the AFC championship game.

Pittsburgh defeated New England earlier that season, and the implication is that taped signals from that game helped the Patriots in the rematch. Steelers chairman Dan Rooney has called the matter a “non-issue.”

 
In this Jan. 15, 2008 file pho…

AP - May 14, 2:36 pm EDT
 â€œI have a different perspective,” Specter said. “I’m elected by 12 million people, and a lot of them are Steeler fans. … Frankly I’m incensed about what happened with the Steelers, and I’m incensed about the notes being destroyed. I really am.”

Specter was again asked whether his interest in the matter has to do with Philadelphia-based Comcast, one of his largest campaign contributors. Comcast has been involved in a dispute with the league over the placement of the NFL Network on its cable system.

“They have been a campaign contributor,” Specter said, “along with 50,000 other people … I’ve been at this line of work for a long time, and no one has ever questioned my integrity.”

In an interview with HBO scheduled to air Friday night on “Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel,” Walsh dismissed Belichick’s attempts to minimize the impact of the taping.

“If it was of little or no importance, I imagine they wouldn’t have continued to do it, and probably not taken the chances of going down onto the field in Pittsburgh or shooting from other teams’ stadiums the way we did,” Walsh said.

 
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AP - May 14, 2:12 pm EDT
 Walsh told HBO that his superiors coached him on how to evade NFL rules limiting the number of camera operators per team to two, and that team officials instructed him on ways to avoid detection.

Walsh also talked about Belichick’s claim that he misinterpreted NFL rules.

“When I was doing it, I understood what we were doing to be wrong,” Walsh said. “We went to great lengths to keep from being caught. Just saying that the rules were misinterpreted isn’t enough of an apology or a reasoning for what was done. …

“Coach Belichick’s explanation for having misinterpreted the rules, to me, that really didn’t sound like taking responsibility for what we had done, especially considering the great lengths that we had gone through to hide what we were doing.”

AP Sports Writers Rachel Cohen in New York and Howard Ulman in Foxborough, Mass., contributed to this report.

^^Not to say 'I told you so' but...

Well...I told you so!

There is talk now that there was at least one other team doing the same thing the Patriots were (saw it on ESPN). And you know what? I could care less. Football isn't clean of cheating. There has been steroids, breaking rules of the salary cap, breaking the rules of free agency, and now video taping. The punishment has been given out, let's end this long drawn out session of "Mr. X's 5 minutes of fame."

BS- the patricheats disgraced the NFL and tainted the game, you can't just stuff it under the carpet and hope nobody notices. If Goddell would have done his job properly and really cracked down on Bellicheat and company we wouldn't get going through this now. An investigation must be done and those who participated in the cover up need to be punished including being fire as NFL commissioner.

Please... "tainted the game"... teams have disregarded the salary cap to win Super Bowls, disregarded the rules of free agency, and given steroids to players. Teams have found ways to bend the rules year in, year out. Those infractions were plain ignored. This wasn't. And how do you know there is even a cover up? Most of this is guesses and conspiracy theories by fans. Where is the tape of the Rams walk through? Until that tape is produced, anything is just assumed or guessed. Like I said, if you investigate the Patriots, then this other team should get investigated as well. And even if you investigate the Patriots and other team, what more do you hope to obtain? This is overkill, plain and simple. If people are unhappy with the punishment, oh well. That's the NFL's fault.

Answer this question.
Why is it when Michael Vick got suspended from the NFL it is because he lied to Goddell about his involvement in dog fighting, now according to Walsh Belicheat lied to Goddell when he said he didn't think they were doing anything wrong.
I know killing dogs is wrong, but Belicheat lied too, why isn't he dealt with properly ?

Because Vick broke the law of the government, not the NFL. Also, it's Walsh's word against the Patriots organization on the coaching staff's feelings towards the video taping. The Vick incident was very simple. Vick said he wasn't involved, and actual evidence was brought up to prove he was. What evidence are you going to find about what "Belicheat" thought?The two incidents are not comparable.

Belicheat admitted they were video taping opponents, he then told Goddell he did not believe they were breaking any rules. Walsh stated Belicheat knew what they were doing is cheating, they went to great lengths to not be caught. How do we get proof, since Belicheat is so innocent I am sure he wouldn't eject to a lie detector test.
I think you need to do some research the reason why Vick was first suspended is because he lied to Goddell, and apparently so has Belicheat.

Technically, Belicheat broke the law too.  In case you didn't know, one of former President Bill Clinton's last acts was the Federal Espionage Act.  This could very well fall under theft of trade secrets. 

Both investigations were not taken seriously.  A criminal investigation by the FBI could very well blow this thing sky high.  And if that is the case, Goodell should get in trouble too, because he destroyed evidence.

never thought i would say this, but i now despise the pats more than the jets... for me its always been #1 jets, #2 bills, and then #3 the pats. i've never had a whole lot of animosity towards them when they were winning so freaking much. just admired the franchise more than anything else. now in my book, that whole organization is the scum of the earth.

Research what? Vick lied to Gooddell about not breaking the law of the government. Belichick supposedly lied about not thinking what he did was wrong. That's a huge difference right there. And like I said, Vick's case had hard evidence he lied, Belichick's case is word against word. And you need proof because there is this little thing of "innocent until proven guilty." There is nothing for me to research.

I doubt this is going to reach a criminal investigation by the FBI. If that was going to happen, it would have been started a while ago. If anything, Spector will be threatening the NFL with the anti-trust thing.

Dude, Vick committed a felony.  I have never seen anyone get thrown in jail for videotaping a football practice.

Theft of Trade Secrets. 

In order for it to be a trade secret, it actually has to be secret. Had Walsh used a pen and notebook to record to signs it would have been within the rules. 

Thousands of people viewed the DC make those signs.  Most weren't pay attention to the signs but they were not secretive. 

The taping made the processing of the signals easier, but that is it.  By taping the signs instead of recording them in a notebook, one can watch the sign, then the play then the next sign then the next play.  Otherwise you need to spend some time correlating the notes to the play. 

What Eric Mangini did when he stole a laptop his last day with the Pats, is stealing trade secretes. 

Thats it Hoodie try to shift off your god Bill Belicheat, he cheated and was caught.
Your god should be banned for lieing, then again he is a patriot after all.

He got caught.  He got punished. 

Others have done the same and nothing has been done.  Godell has said that although he has credible reports that another team did the exact same thing, he is not going to investigate. 

Time to move on. 

Seriously, if you want to argue the pubishment was not sufficient that is fine with me. There is still nothing new to this story in my mind and I hate the Pats.

Somebody is lieing.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=7852057

Here is the other half.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyg9BhqESxU

Okay, this is driving me nuts.  The correct spelling is lying.

Why is everyone so shocked that Hoodie can't look at this objectively?  He is a Pats fan with the general Pats fan inability to take off his "the Pats rule the world" tinted glasses.

Since Hoodie believes that his god isn't lying and Walsh is lying, I would imagine hoodie must also believe Walsh is lying when he said he did not tape the walk through of the rams.

Because one states one lie does not mean that every statement thereafter must be 100% false.  I believe that his is telling the truth about not taping walk-thru because there is absolutely no evidence to support the idea that it was taped.  Not one person has ever seen the tape.  There was no power to the camera stations at the time of the walk-thru and nobody has come forward and said, "I saw someone with a camera at the walk-thru"

There is a rumor that it was taped.  I am pretty sure how this rumor started.  The fact is several members of the Patriot video team was at the Rams walk thru setting up equipment. 

Person A tells Person B - "members of the Patriot video team was at the Rams walk thru setting up equipment. "

Person B tells Person C -  "members of the Patriot video team was at the Rams walk thru"

Person C tells Person D -  the Patriot videoed  the Rams walk thru"

Walsh was fired.  I don't know if you have ever been fired.  But I have.  I would love to get back at my ex-boss.  If I could get him fired, or fined, or embarrassed I would.  I hate the fucking SOB.  I might even be willing to stretch the truth to make him look bad. 

Bill was not the only one to benefit from the genius "tag". Charlie has done pretty crappy at ND, or as one sportscaster said " It was sure easy to be an offensive genius when you knew what defensive scheme the other team was going to be in".

You might want to hitch up your pants there...your character is showing. ;)

Ya same goes for  Romeo Cromell and Eric Man-genius... 

I forgot that I started this thread.

Cheating aside, I still think that Bill Belichick is still one of the greatest defensive masterminds that we've seen in the last quarter century in football and I give him credit for that.

He was the mastermind of those Giant defenses NOT BILL PARCELLS! He's shut down some offenses that were potent (Broncos, Bills, Rams) so you have to give him his props.

I'm actually hoping that he shows the world that he doesn't need video tape to dismantle an offense.

Even in Cleveland, he was building a championship type defense before Art "the Rat" Modell moved the team. Cleveland was offensively challenged but the defense had improved by leaps and bounds.

He's still one of the greatest defensive minds to ever step on an NFL field.

We have slightly different hopes... I hope Belichick gets beaten down by a jealous husband, I hope that Randy Moss gets hit by a bus, and I hope Tom Brady contracts a venereal disease.

I find it odd one of the worst Head coaches in the NFL and a 6th round QB together has formed an incredible team, and during this run they have illegally video taped opposing teams despite warnings from the NFL they were violating.
So this is adding up to me, its not very sporting to know what the other guy will do next on the field. Belicheat said he didn't know he was breaking the rules, despite being warned it was against the rules and despite the credible accounts of Matt Walsh who said he knew it was wrong and it was cheating.
To me Belicheat is as about as credible as Roger Clemens, which is not at all.
It is ok for him to lie, but not for others to lie. I am hoping for real justice, championships have been stolen, think of all the lost revenue to all those teams that have been cheated against, including the Rams.

That's why this is so odd. The guy is a great DEFENSIVE COACH (and I emphasize defense). Why did he have to cheat at all? This is a guy that on defense, never shows you the same defense from play to play.

1) That incredible team with the worst coach in the NFL and a 6th round QB has been beating up on this league for a while, including last season when they almost went undefeated. The cheating helped, but you still have to have the players and the execution to get the job done. There was an article about the Pats and the Bucs during this period. One of the assistants went up to Monte Kiffin (the defensive coordinator) and said they knew what he was going to do, but couldn't do anything against it. So yes, the team did need to actually be talented to do anything with the information they had.

2) I don't know how credible you can call Walsh. There were or weren't tapes of the Rams walkthrough, and the guy wouldn't deny or confirm that. Now, there are apparently collaborating stories that a group was at the Ram's walkthrough in Patriots gear and Patriots credentials (story on ESPN). The guy most likely started these rumors of having a tape. Even if he didn't start them, he did nothing to deny what was apparently not true.

3) That same story about the Ram's walkthrough goes through how stupid it was of the Rams to have a real walkthrough at the Super Bowl site, because apparently there has been a history of teams trying to take a look at the opposing teams walkthrough. That can't be though, right? It can only be the Patriots. So, there is a stupid move on the Rams in this situation. The other stupid move is Walsh and other buddies watching the practice (but not videotaping).

Just saying, you're almost like chicken little right now. And I'm not defending what the Patriots did at all.  The punishment was handed out, there is no new evidence or any reasonable suspicion that there is new evidence (besides the unsupported ones of fans and sports writers). It should be the end of it.

I got this from an article on yahoo.


I didn’t accept Bill Belichick’s explanation for what happened,” Goodell said Tuesday, “and I still don’t to this day.”

In an interview with HBO for “Real Sports With Bryant Gumbel,” Walsh dismissed Belichick’s attempts to minimize the impact of the taping. Walsh told HBO he was coached on how to evade NFL rules, and that team officials instructed him on ways to avoid detection.

“When I was doing it, I understood what we were doing to be wrong,” Walsh said. “Coach Belichick’s explanation for having misinterpreted the rules, to me, that really didn’t sound like taking responsibility for what we had done, especially considering the great lengths that we had gone through to hide what we were doing.”

Belichick denied telling Walsh to hide what he was doing.

“You look at the tape. You see him filming the game,” the coach told CBS. “You tell me how discrete it is.”

Belichick has said he didn’t even know Walsh, who was fired for poor performance and for making a tape recording of a meeting with player personnel director Scott Pioli.

“For him to talk about game-planning and strategy and play-calling and how he advised coordinators, it’s embarrassing; it’s absurd,” Belichick said. “He didn’t have any knowledge of football. He was our third video assistant.”





Who is Belicheat to judge anybodies character ?
The man ignored repeated warnings from his buddy Goddell, and kept on filming with irrogance.
Belicheat was a really bad head coach in Cleveland including going 1-15.
A 6th round QB who couldn't even beat out Brian Griese in Michigan is all of a sudden an all pro QB, but yet these video tapes never helped the Patriots to win a game ? Despite warnings they were viloating the rules Belicheat still had the gull to pull this stunt in week one against the Jets, but yet with warnings he keeps saying he didn't know it was wrong.
Credibilty is what Belicheat is lacking in all of this, he lied to Goddell and got away with it. a $500,000 fine is just a drop in the bucket for Bob Kraft to pay, just think of the revenue they have stolen from teams they cheated against.
The patriot organization has not been punished, they are not held accountable, they got away with stealing championships. I hope Spector gets these guys.

Where did Goodell warn Belichick? That would mean he knew about this beforehand.

Yes, Tom Brady sucks. It was a fluke that he's been one of the top three quarterbacks of the league, if not the top. And this year, after the Jets game, when all eyes were on the Patriots, he still put up numbers that set records. Belichick eventually got those Browns into the playoffs, and last year almost took the Patriots to an undefeated season. Ya, these guys are bums that shouldn't be in the NFL. If Hoodie is wearing Patriot tinted glasses, I think you should get a pair so you aren't so damn blind.

What revenue have they stolen? You keep saying they stole revenue. If anything, they help other teams' revenues when they come to town, because they'd want to see the Patriots. If a team wound up going down the tubes, like the Rams, it was their fault. The Patriots don't draft for those teams. They don't decide who to let go and who to sign. They didn't cause the rapid decline of Kurt Warner. They didn't cause the injuries that plagued their line last year. Besides, there is some shared revenue anyway between teams.

If you don't like the punishment, that's the NFL's fault. There is nothing Spector is going to do except waste time looking into a football team's cheating, when so many other things are wrong with the country. The guy is an idiot. I think the Patriots were held accountable. They lost a first round draft pick. It's a huge deal, since wasting first round draft choices usually hurts a team. They could have used another pick to strengthen their defense, but lost it. What about all the other coaches that were involved? You keep focusing on Belichick, but all these other coaches would be involved as well. What about them? And where is your calling for the investigation of this other team? Your focus on the Patriots makes me believe that you are nothing but envious of them.