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in light of favre to jets, pennington is the odd man out. given the fins qb situation, does miami become his new landing spot?

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No.

Yes, please.

When healthy I like Chad a lot.  And he's better than anyone in camp right now.

Only if Chad undergoes surgery to remove his throwing arm and have it replaced with one that doesn't resemble spaghetti...

you guys are funny man  ;D. granted pennington has a freaking noodle arm, but the guys we have in camp are throwing multiple interceptions in 7 on 7 drills, with no pass-rush!!!

at this point, its either you go with henne as the starter on day one, or you bring in a guy like pennington who unfortunately for us is an upgrade over the other 2 scrubs throwing the ball around.

5 years ago he was an upgrade.

Now, he's just as bad as Quincy Carter, maybe worse.

I have mixed feelings on this. Anyone holding out hope for Beck still is definitley a glass half full kind of guy. McCown has shown his worth as well. We have to hope Henne is the QB of the futre, I'm just not sure that means he should the the QB of the present. I say bring him in and see if he can beat out the terrible two.

Henne is the future. McCown and Beck are playing this season. I think the whole Quincy Carter thing was Parcells and Ireland doing a favor for a former player.

Here's how I envision Carter's part of the conversation:
"Hey Bill, its Quincy. Quincy. Quincy Carter. I played QB for you. A few years ago. No, in Dallas. Yeah, that Quincy. Anywhoo, I'm trying to get back into the NFL and was wondering if you'd give me a tryout. Yes, I'm serious. Selling insurance? No, I've been playing football. Canada and the AFL. The AFL- Arena Football. Yes, I'm still a quarterback. So can you give me a tryout?"

Please no. We need to stop looking for a "savior" and start grooming a QB of our own. I would consider him coming to Miami if and only if he were to exclusively play the role as mentor.

  Pennington in Miami?  Please.  What a ridiculous suggestion.  If anything, Chad will probably wind up in K.C. and reunite with Herm Edwards.

parcells is already on it:


http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/miamidolphins/entries/2008/08/07/source_dolphins_inquire_about.html (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/miamidolphins/entries/2008/08/07/source_dolphins_inquire_about.html)

look for pennington in miami camp by tomorrow...

  Damn.  I know that Josh McClown really sucks, but he's so awful that the front office is giving serious thought about Pennington?  WOW, McClown has just sunk to a new low, and I didn't think that was possible considering how awful he was in his first three stops.

  I would take Chad Pennington over John Beck and Josh McCown any day....he would be a great mentor for Chad Henne....Pennington is VERY smart and an excellent leader in the locker room .....Miami will be a run oriented offense, so Chad would only have to throw the ball 17-23 times a game. 

O...M...F....G....

chad is AWFUL!!  trust me guys, i live in jets country, so i've gotten to see WAY more of him over the years than you guys have.  if you guys hated fiedler, wait till chad comes down.  he makes fiedler look like marino.  he can't throw the ball more than 10 yards at a time, and he'll be on the DL with a strained vagina in less than 2 weeks.  NO NO NO NO NO!!!!

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. ..strained vagina...ya I've always hated him...the only times it seemed like he played good was against the phins...I'd rather start Henne right away then take Chad.

I'm no huge fan of Pennington. But Beck looks like a washout, McCown is a career journeyman, and I don't see either sticking with the team in future years...Do you bring in a Pennington to start until Henne is ready to take over midseason? Pennington, for all his flaws and limited arm strength, is better than Beck and McCown and can be an efficient QB (career passer rating 88.9) who can run an NFL offense.

Does this potentially upgrade the team somewhat, and provide a short term answer as a starter and  in the longer term provide a decent veteran back up? "Strained vagina" and all, maybe it's not such a bad idea.

Oh, Hell no.  Say this ain't so!

W U R D !

What he said.

Seems to be the smae people that want to bring in Chad Pennington,are the same people that seem to have warm and fuzzy memories of Jay Feidler as a Dolphin QB....Chad's smarter move is to try to get on wirth the Vikings and the Bears...

Also as a quick reminder...Terry Glenn was supposed to be All but signed sealed and delivered as a Dolphin hours after he was released from the Cowboys....

Didn't we go through this last year with Trent Green?

Pennington is finished.  Enough with the cast-off hasbeens.

  While I think Chad will be in Miami, I personally so no reason for this move.

salguero update on pennington's release:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2008/08/chad-pennington.html (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2008/08/chad-pennington.html)

folks, get used to the idea that chad pennington will be the opening day starter for the miami dolphins against brett favre and the ny jets. this is going to be a move to replace mccown, with him being released and beck serving in the #2 role.

didn't the Miami braintrust have a similar move when Ray Lucas came down here???

this would be very bad move on the part of the Phins and start to slightly erode or chip away at my confidence in the new regime down here.

I don't want any F*CKIN jets on my team!!!!!!!!!

J-E-T-S
S-U-C-K

Not gonna happen he knows we are rebuilding right now and other teams have shown interest. This is one time I am glad we suck....... ;D

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Parcells-already-making-a-play-for-Pennington;_ylt=ApXQ2kxwtNw631IfDc5MPA3.uLYF?urn=nfl,99324

Parcels making a play for Pennington


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With Brett Favre now a New York Jet, Chad Pennington is now available to the man who drafted him in 2000. Bill Parcells and the Dolphins haven't wasted any time reaching out to Pennington's agent, Tom Condon, an NFL source said.

Given the Dolphins situation at quarterback during training camp, Pennington could land in South Florida. Veteran Josh McCown has looked shaky, including a three-interception day on Tuesday, while second-year pro John Beck has leveled out a bit this week following a rough opening week of camp. Rookie Chad Henne, who turned 23 last month, has been the best of the three for the past week.

But Parcells is known to prefer veteran quarterbacks, other than his first season in New England when he went with 23-year-old Drew Bledsoe, who was the No. 1 draft pick in 1993.

Pennington has a history of shoulder problems and a reputation for a weak arm by NFL standards. But he also is very accurate, a good leader and knowledgeable. Among NFL quarterbacks with at least 1,500 pass attempts, Pennington's 65.6 career completion percentage ranks best all-time. He also led the Jets to the playoffs three times and won the NFL Comeback Player of the Year award in 2006

Source: Palm Beach Post

Pennington comes in for a year to show Henne the ropes. I suppose I could be cool with that. It would be better than him learning from McKown.

I understand that we are a power run team now...in fact I like the fact that we can punch the opposing team in the mouth...but the fact still remains that when we do pass, I would like it to be a play action bomb (something Chad cannot do)...versus a little 5-10 yd out (something chad CAN do)...sure he is a veteran and could probably manage the game pretty good but seriously...I would rather have a rookie start for us who has a gun for an arm, 4 years experience as a starter in college, and a ton of upside instead of a washed up, noodle armed, injury prone, EX JET (worst part) to start as QB...Parcells better know what the hell he's doing because I seriously do not agree with this one.

Shit, none of the Qb' s miami have on the roster right now are the future.  Why not pick up Chad.  He may have something left in the tank until Miami picks up another QB in the Draft next season.  Chad has more game XP than any of the 3 we have now. At this point, I'll take him for the short term.

My girlfriend is a Jets fan and loves him, so I kinda hope Miami signs him to be their 7th string QB behind John Beck and the Ghost of Bernie Kosar, so that I can buy a Pennington jersey and make her cry.

Something tells me you are wrong on this one. Henne is future.

Enjoy sleeping on the couch?

Chad does not have a strong arm, and is injury prone at times.  He does have good accuracy and can take off when needed. 

Is he better than any of the QB's we have on our roster right now?  Yes.  Should he be in a Dolphins uniform this year?  Absolutely not. 

I think Chad will end up in KC and reuniting with his old coach, Herm Edwards.

The best match for Pennington is, by far, Minnesota, but they're apparently not interested.

As for the Phins... well, if he comes here, McCown is out. That's all it means. And, honestly, that probably wouldn't bother me. Pennington is an extremely bright guy and will make a great coach once he decides to hang up his cleats. I don't have that deep Jets hatred (it's more of a "shallow" hatred), so it really wouldn't bother me too much to see him in aqua and orange. And, heck, if Pennington has soured on the Jets over this whole thing, well, come on down and feel free to get some revenge. I wouldn't mind being part of that ;-)

I can't understand why anyone would say Pennington is an upgrade, but we still shouldn't get him. Can you explain why Tommy?

Chad definitely is not the savior, but he is far better than McCown & Beck. I would prefer for Henne to not be the opening day starter. I wouldn't mind seeing him after about a half to three quarters of the season is over but I don't think he will be ready for opening day. He would be a better mentor than either of the other two guys as well.

If it is true Parcells wants Pennington then chances are he will land here. Bill is the man who drafted Chad Pennington so he knows what he is getting. But if he does come to Miami that speaks in volume about Beck and his future in Miami. The Tina must not like what he See's in Beck, and must have zero confidence in him in order to bring in another veteran QB to lead this team, mark my words this is the beginning of the end of Beck as a dolphin and most likely NFL career.

  Actually, it speaks more about McClown's future than it does for the future of John Beck.  It's only a matter of time before that colossal failure gets his release.

I can explain it. 

The Dolphins should not start the QB (that because of NFL experience) has the best chance of the Dolphins beating the Jets (and Farve) week 1.  But should start the player that if given 16 games of experience would give the Dolphins the best chance to win games in 2009 (and which the Dolphins have signed thru 2010). That means assessing the QBs skill and potential not their experience and past performance. 

This is a rebuilding year for the Dolphins. 

GUYS!!!

PLEASE STOP REMEMBERING THE CHAD PENNINGTON OF 2005-2006.  THIS GUY HAS HAD 2 SHOULDER SURGERIES!!

Chad Pennington is "good enough" and an "upgrade" until the first time the game is on the line inside 3 minutes and he throws a noodle-arm duck that gets picked for 6.  Pennington's career is over.  Can we please work harder to develop Beck and Henne and stop bringing in Gus Frerotte/Trent Green/Brian Griese every friggin year?  He was CUT for a reason!

For the same reason we shouldn't have gone after Brett Favre.  We need to develop the younger guys.... see if Beck is worth the second round pick Scam Cameron invested in him, and if Henne is as good as advertised in game situations.  Not to mention Pennington has had surgery twice for an injury that would make lifting a cup of coffee difficult for you and I. 

On an entirely different note, let's assume the Dolphins do bring in Pennington.  Who's the odd man out?  Beck or McCown, and why?  Some people are saying Beck's gone, and other's say McCown.   

It SHOULD be McCown - Beck has WAY more potential up-side.  But, it will be Beck cause he's not Parcells' guy. ::)

  I guaran-damn-tee that it will be Josh McLoser that gets the axe.  You don't cut ties with Beck without giving him an opportunity too see what he can do in preseason.  Everybody knows what McClown is capable of, which isn't much. 

It doesn't matter who is behind center for the Dolphins on Opening Day. If the offensive line doesn't get rolling, whoever the quarterback is will be pummelled.

Even with the running game, there are going to be problems not unless Ricky and Ronnie turn into Barry Sanders.

And if the Dolphins DO get Pennington, then all teams have to do is sit on the short routes. True, he can't hit Brian Fein on a 20 yard post pattern.

All of the stuff going on at Dolphins Camp is really not the QB's fault. For example...

The offensive line has only had a couple of "good" days. You've got defenders on drills having a straight shot to the quarterback. This is not good.

The Miami receivers don't run crisp and precise patterns. I don't care how fast you are, you're nothing if you can't run crisp patterns. Jerry Rice wasn't a world class sprinter but he ran his patterns to precision and got open. I've watched the receivers on tape and they don't scare a defensive backfield.

For all of you Jay Fiedler haters, it's turning out that Jay wasn't that bad of a QB. The problem was that  Jay came after Marino and if he made one mistake, he knew that Wannstedt would pull the plug on the passing game which caused Jay to play tentative which caused him to mess up but he was mentally strong enough to bounce back in the 3rd and 4th quarter of most games.

It feels like 1966 all over again minus Wahoo.

Not only SHOULD it be McCown, it WILL be McCown. Providing Pennington is signed at all, of course.

Pennington is a slight upgrade from McCown, maybe. More importantly, he's a lot smarter.

In any event, neither Pennington nor McCown is the "solution" to Miami's problems at quarterback. The reason it's CRITICAL to have one of them (i.e. a veteran) is in case Beck isn't good enough to allow the team to develop around him. And, no, it doesn't matter how good Henne is. He shouldn't start. Period.

We simply cannot let the rest of the offense languish just because our quarterback sucks. Sure, we need to develop our young guys, but you NEVER stick in your rookie quarterback on a bad team. And if Beck turns out to be so bad that the rest of the offense can't develop, then McCown/Pennington needs to take his place.

That QB is Chad Henne and I am not sure starting him week 1 is the best idea. Parcells is likely to agree with that accessment as well, so why not bring in an actual mentor. I wouldn't trust McCown to mentor Henne's jock strap.

Listen Beck has looked terrible in practice, and so has McCown. This has sent the Dolphins organization into looking for any other answer at QB. Yes I believe the future is Henne and Beck was a waste of a pick just like Ginn was. I am not thrilled about the possibility of Pennington coming to Miami, I agree he has a weak arm and is injury prone, there must be a better answer then this, I also agree we need to stop bringing in the one year journey men, and start building now for tomorrow.

  John Beck should get the boot from this team....Beck has proven he is not cut out to be an NFL quarterback....The only time he has played well in training camp is when he has worked with the third team offense and their hasn't been much of a pass rush in his face.  He is a pansy, who takes alot of sacks and turns the ball over way too much. ;)  Cut Beck and let him join Camoron and family in Baltimore.

  At least with McCown and Pennington, you have 2 guys who have WON football games in the NFL....if Chad Pennington goes down early in the year, McCown can step in and be a serviceable back-up until Chad Henne is ready to play around week 10 or so....Then the Chad Henne era will begin in Miami and we will all be very happy for many, many years to come!!! ;D

 

Its prett yclear who's thinking with their head and who's thinking with their heart.

The truth is that none of you know what Beck can do, but half of you are ready to run his ass out of town.

This is the truth and this is what you're all basing your "we hate John Beck" bandwagon on.  Its sad - Peyton Manning would have had the same performance as Beck did on that team last season.

The starting QB on the roster now is McCown.  Beck will be ready when McCown gets hurt (Because he will).  If you want to replace McCown with Pennington - whatever - its the same crap to me.  Henne should hold the clipboard every game.

Jeff Ireland on the radio yesterday was optimistic about Beck, and said that his performance has improved and his consistency has leveled out.  It sounded like he's the front-runner for the job right now.

Peyton's first season he went 3-13. 

There are two theories regarding the best way to prepare your rookie QB for next year.  One method the way is to  become a starter year one and hope for the best (Peyton/Rothesburger/Marino).  Or spend some time with the clip board  (Brady/Romo).

I think the best way to learn is to play. 

Has anyone been paying attention to anything other than their own opinion?  Beck is the only QB who continues to show improvement in camp. He has always been the most accurate without the rush.  Henne is doing fine too but "I" still believe the job will be Beck's to lose this season.


No matter what vet they bring in this quote certainly isn't a ringing endorsement from Bill.

The other thing I noticed about Beck was the immediate tone set against him by these camp reporters.  The reports weren't very objective.  They criticized the check down throws, but who says that it wasn't what the coaches were asking him to do.  The reporters obviously want flashy.  This team is being built for ball control, not flash.  Beside that, I could understand any QB struggling with a 3 second clock for a while. 

I would say wait for a significant amount of play in preseason before calling for Beck's head.  Too much is being put into these blogs which are nice to read but mean squat.

Marino didn't start until week six and I bet iwas more ready then Henne. I say wait until week 8 or later and see what is happening before we throw Henne in.

It seems like the media just assumed he wasn't Bill's guy and made him target number one while they do just the opposite for Henne who they try and justify because he is Bill's guy. Someone actually wrote a blog on this subject a week or so ago.  I tried to find it but I can't seem to find it right now.  

The funny thing is come saturday night after the bucs/phins game EVERYONE's opinion will change on our QB situation  Also remember Henne was a four year starter in college at a high profile school.  He maybe ready sooner than anyone thinks.  Regardless, we'll find out tomorrow night!

Statistically, you're wrong.

On average, quarterbacks who are asked to start during their rookie season wind up having significantly worse careers than those who spend a year holding a clip board. I don't know why this is, I really don't, but the effect is quite clear. If you furthermore look at BAD teams, the correlation is HUGE. Starting a rookie quarterback for a BAD team is the worst thing you can do for that quarterbacks career. (And this isn't just because starting for a bad team is, in itself, bad... second-year quarterbacks starting for bad teams have significantly better average careers than the rookies).

I really don't see any way Sparano throws Henne out there unless our O-line is rock solid... and, judging from camp, that doesn't exactly look like it's the case.

I agree about the change of opinion.  It happens after every single game about players and coaches.

You're right Phish. There were four elements that helped Dan Marino right out of the gate.

1.  Don Shula did the smartest thing I've ever seen a coach do. He let Marino call his own plays in practice and exhibition games.

2.  Marino had the luxury of an All-Pro Center (Dwight Stephenson), and All Pro Guard (Kuechenberg), Roy Foster and Jon Giesler. That was a Pro Bowl line that even David Woodley went to the Super Bowl with.

3. Every position on offense had an impact player. You had Duper and Clayton, Tony Nathan, Nat Moore, Cefalo, Bruce Hardy. Marino was fortunate to have the weapons that he had.

4. Marino was considered a quarterback who "pushed" the ball. Shula didn't mess with his mechanics. Marino practically invented the art of throwing the ball to the receivers back shoulder and letting them adjust to it in which DB's had no chance at all to defend the play.

Marino was rare in throwing the football but if you would have put him on lets say, the Colts that year, he probably would have struggled a lot.

These guys in camp now are trying to develop under a system that is unstable. Sparano would have to work a miracle this year with the O-line for the offense to make a difference in games.

You and I are on the same boat Hoodie. I've always believed in that.

Take your bumps and bruises, you're a professional now. It's called learning. The only way to iron out the kinks and learn from mistakes. If a player is "scarred" then I don't think this level of football was meant for him. I don't see the point in standing on the sidelines for a year, "being mentored?" please, only to go into the second year as literally a rookie and subsequently throwing away that season too while he actually plays. Who's to say that line will be any better or worse that second year? Or that he doesn't get "scarred" actually playing said year? Throw the MF'er in half way through this throw away season (after the dude learns a bit of the playbook), it's not like this team's on the brink of the Super Bowl. You're developing every other rookie position except the most important one... QB, I don't get it.

I want to go on record that I was against the whole Trent Green fiasco last year, I wanted to see Beck play, hell, I wanted to see him play earlier in the season. I aslo want to go on record that I about puked when I heard BP signed McCown to the team earlier this year, and I hoped to see Beck start this season to see more of the guy. I'm far from a Beck fan, but we have to see what we got for a second round pick, and now grabbing Pennington.... oooooohhhhhhh  GOD! BP is the equivalent of Pat Riley with his love of veterans. Looks like McCown's contract is being eaten this year...

The only plus here is we are a running team now.

Im new to the forums, but a phins fan all my life!!! Anyways, here is some new news.

Dolphins sign ex-Jet Chad Pennington

By DAVE GOLDBERG, AP Football Writer 2 hours, 28 minutes ago

Chad Pennington, cut by the New York Jets after they signed Brett Favre, signed with the Miami Dolphins on Friday.

The 32-year-old Pennington, expected to be the starting quarterback for Miami, agreed to the deal Friday worth $11.5 million over two years, a person familiar with the deal told The Associated Press. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the move hasn’t been officially announced.

“We are neither confirming nor denying the report,” Dolphins spokesman Harvey Greene said Friday night.

Bill Parcells, now the Dolphins’ vice president of football operations, drafted Pennington with the 18th overall pick in 2000 when he was the Jets’ general manager.

The Dolphins, coming off a 1-15 season, will open the season against the Jets in Miami, giving Pennington an immediate chance to face his former team.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

Welcome to the boards, Ghost350z.  When you have a chance, tell us more about yourself in the Off Topic Forum. 

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I grave dug this because I couldn't remember what we all said about Pennington before preseason. There's some pretty funny stuff in here looking back.  ;D

Looks like most Dolphin fans were as good at assessing Chad's talent pre-season as most Patriot fans were about Matt Cassel. 

I was closer on Cassel than I was on Pennington. I didn't trust Chad's noodle-arm, and it turns out that the arm was just fine...