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He still has a ways to go as any Rookie, but when the Coaches need to feed you negativity to keep you grounded instead of praise for encouragement.........I think that says alot.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/06/sports/FBN-Redskins-Colts-Hype.php

I'm really excited about what I saw out of Our 2nd round pick and this is no way a swipe at Chad Henne. I mearly wanted to back my stance on a QB who I feel was a steal in the 3rd and 4th rounds , let alone the 6th where he was chosen. Brennan will be a force to be reckoned with.

Let's wait until a little longer than one preseason game before either side starts with the "I told you so."

I doubt he will be more than a career backup still.

I'm still laughing.  ;D

He wasn't very impressive this week.

I know he's not the second coming of Marino, but everyone here had him falling flat on his face. They claimed his success at Hawaii was due to the easy competition. All I'm saying is I knew he was certainly worth the 6th round gamble.   ;)

Again, any QB with any small amount of skill will look good against a 3rd team D.

Yeah? Did you see Josh McCown play the other night?  :D

He said with any small amount of skill.  McCown doesn't qualify.

I certainly do not disagree with you, but look at the guys we picked up in  the sixth round. Jalen Parmele-RB- He is looking sharp in practice and preseason,Donald Thomas-OG-This guy is so impressive he will most likely win the starting position this year. Parcells did a great job this year in the sixth round, these two players will make an immediate contribution to the team instead of holding a clipboard, so are you telling me you would dump Parmele for Brennan ?

I wasn't one of the blatant Colt-bashers, but I also wasn't - and still am not - overly optimistic about his ability to be a starting-caliber NFL QB. He looked good coming out of the gates though, but as his own coach said it "it could have easily been the other way."  We need to see how he handles being blitzed by the elite QB-eating DE's before we pimp him or flush him.

  If I were a Redskin fan, I would definitely be excited about Colt Brennan....he has played very well so far, and they only had to use a 6th round pick to get him.....hopefully, Colt can stay healthy and we can see what this kid can do in the NFL. 

Didn't we used to have a QB named Rosenfels who was a perennial preseason All-Pro?  He looked good filling in last season.  Based on that, and only that, Brennan is just an injury away ...

Colt Brennan is garbage. The guy is putting up numbers on 3rd string competition. Brennan and Andre Woodson stock fell faster than enron's this past offseason. Brennan was exposed in the sugar bowl against georgia. He player in a gimmick system which dosen't translate to the pro's. Plus he plays for the deadskins, so i hope his career goes into the toilet.

Point Taken.  ;)

Please reread my first post. I am completely happy with who we got as a future QB. Before the draft no one was sure what direction the Tuna was gonna go. Did he like Beck? Was he going to address the position in free agency? I liked Colt as early as the 4th round and all I said was that if we hadn't filled the position with someone to compete against Beck by the 4th Round then Colt should be a no brainer.  When he went to the 6th I thought it was insane.  I think the kid is going to really prove the Naysayers wrong.

That said I hope the skins tank because we have their second rounder........... ;)

Brennan's technique is AWFUL, but he plays with good instincts. Judging by the preseason game, he forces throws a lot... in fact, he reminds me a lot of Brett Favre, although the technique is a lot worse (which is really saying something) and the arm strength (although decent) significantly lower.

Brennan is a real developmental project. Give him a few years of good coaching and he might turn out to be a gem, if he puts in the (enormous) effort. The problem with project QBs in the NFL is that they don't get any playing time. This is where a minor league would be really helpful... (UFL?)

 The problem with project QBs in the NFL is that they don't get any playing time. This is where a minor league would be really helpful... (UFL?)
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That's what College is for. And he excelled there. He went about as far as you can go there and was ready to move to the next level. Whether he can handle it remains to be seen, but I'm telling ya , after he puts on a little size and adds some strength and conditioning at the Pro level......he's gonna be dangerous. He's got the instincts and that's something you can't add or teach.

^^^

Seriously. The way I look at it, you absolutely DESTROY opponents when they're supposed to be weaker than you. He did just that. Had he struggled or just looked average at best in those college games against that weak conference, I can see him not making a big splash at the pro level.

Sure, but it' not uncommon for rookies to sit 1 or 2 YEARS without playing a single snap in a game that matters. And that's just the rookies drafted in the top rounds...

My Thoughts exactly. Had he had been a few inches taller and maybe 30 pounds heavier he would have been a first round prospect. He also had that character incident in his freshman year but he's been on the straight and narrow since. Again I do not think he was worth less then a 4th round gamble........but the Redskins should be arrested for grand theft for getting him in the 6th round.

No, his size had nothing to do with not being a first-round prospect. His playing for Hawaii, however, had everything to do with it.

Btw, just to harp on this size thing a bit... a few people have been going nuts on Beck for his lack of size, which is ironic considering most of the same people were saying we should've drafted Quinn. Well, Quinn and Beck are both 6-2 (Brennan is 6-3). You know who else is 6-2? Kurt Warner, one of the best pocket passers in the game. Doesn't seem like he has a problem seeing over his line, now does it?

Tony Romo is also 6-2. Even Brett 'freakin' Favre is 6-2. So is his replacement in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers. Donovan McNabb is 6-2.

The Chiefs' hope of the future, Brody Croyle, is SHORTER at only 6-1 (and barely over 200 pounds). David Gerrard is 6-1 as well. Jeff Garcia is 6-1 and he's been pretty good, although you'd think his career is on its last legs.

Drew Brees, who's a pretty decent quarterback (we should be so lucky), is even shorter than those guys: 6 feet exactly.

(And I'm not going to get into 5-10 Doug Flutie here...)

So Beck may suck... fine, believe that if you want... and Brennan may never amount to anything... but HEIGHT is not the issue. Yeah, I know, not the thread for the Beck stuff, but the reporters (and couple of guys on this board) who are saying Beck isn't tall enough... that's just asinine. If you're going to criticize someone, base it on FACTS not BULLSHIT.

QFT. 

He played in the WAC conference, which is known for being an offensive powerhouse and a defensive wasteland. 

He never faced any really good defenses until that Sugar Bowl game against Georgia.  And we all know what happened there. 

 

Are you shitting me?  I never once said that size would hold him back. In fact I have been praising him all along regardless of his physical appearance. But when it comes to the draft they DEFINITELY take that into account. One of the main reasons Zack Thomas was a 6th round pick was because of his size. That same thing went for Jason Taylor.  They said they would never amount to anything because of their size.

So how is stating Colt's lack of Ideal size ( I remember an article before the draft stating that Colt looked like a high School player next to the Competition) had something to do with his draft placement bullshit and not factual? (6th round) That along with his trouble freshman year played a big part in his not going on the first day of the draft.

As indicated in the part you quoted (!), I was referring to Beck when I went off on my rant there ;)

As for Colt, though... sure, if he had been JaMarcus Russel 6' 6", scouts would've looked at him completely different. I disagree with the "ideal size", though, and, OK, you might be right... maybe his size hurt him and he would've gone a round or two earlier if he'd been a little taller. To suggest 2 inches would've propelled him from the 6th to the 1st round, though... that's questionable.

Brennan is pretty much exactly average height for an NFL quarterback. What determined his draft position was primarily the fact that he played for HAWAII.

He *might*be good. He's exactly the kind of quarterback *I* would take a shot on in the later rounds (going by stats - the verdict on his technique is that it's absolutely horrendous). The fundamental problem with him is... no one knows. He only faced a decent defense once and he didn't do well. Other than that, all that's left is "demolishes poor defenses" and "bad technique".

Bad technique can be overcome. Some quarterbacks thrive in spite of it and it's not like the technique cannot be adjusted, given good coaching and a lot of patience.

Right now, the type of quarterback Brennan is, I don't see his size having ANYTHING to do with what's holding him back.

I think he weighed in at like 181 at the combine.  He was very thin and small looking next to the competition. But I think he's bulked up since then to around 205. At his height the knock on him is being not able to take a hit from a NFL sized defender.

Ouch. That's down-right skinny for an NFL quarterback. I didn't see combine footage of him, so I'm not going to dispute that number, but just point out that the scout.com had him at 201lb in his draft profile.

I can't find the articles I read about it but here is a thread verifying his weight gain since the Senior Bowl.

http://www.pewterreport.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=807771bf6ac9c84bdbf2b3ce046b9bca&topic=20034.msg414951

I think it definitely played a part in his low Draft stock. But Washington is going to make out on that !!

I just look at where the last record breaking qb from Hawaii wound up. Oh yeah I think he is out of the league. Lets not even bring up the U of Houston qb's and their huge numbers.
Even as a 6th rounder he still has a lot to prove that he was worth that high.

I shouldn't even be responding to this comment.  Are you saying that you need to be from a big school to be successful?  He definitely has a ways to go, I never said you have to start fitting him for his Canton jacket or anything...........but he not going to be bounced out working in home depo either in a few years either.

 
I wont go as far to say Colt is garbage, but were you not the same person that wanted the Dolphins to pick up Quincy Carter?  Talk about gimmick QB's, all Quincy can do is run the option, and that has proved not to get him very far on the next level.  I would take Colt as a project any day over Carter.  I will give you Colt played in a "pass happy system", but does this also mean that when Tim Tebow turns pro, teams should shy away from him because he plays in a "gimmic system?"

No, but there has been a history of qb's coming out of weak defensive conferences who racked up amazing stats in 5 reciever sets bombing in the NFL. Hawaii had to go to triple overtime against shitty teams. He played one good defensive team and got shut down. Hell he did not look great against UW and they sucked.
Maybe he will be the one who breaks the cycle of spread qb's from small weak conferences, but I doubt it. He could have probably been picked up in the 7th or even after the draft as he stock plummeted after the Georgia game.

I don't get that.  ???  He probably could have went in the 3rd as well?? ??? He went in the 6th. I'm amazed he went that far , you think he should have went lower. But don't make shit up.

This was printed just Yesterday in his second appearance:

Colt impresses again: 2-minute drill TD
August 16, 2008 · 6 Comments
Colt impresses again:  4 plays, 80 yards, 1:09 minute drive at the end of the game.  Colt’s TD pass to Jason Goode was the Redskins broadcast’s drive of the game.  After Colt’s TD drive, broadcaster (and former QB) Joe Theismann said of Brennan:  “He has it.  Brett Favre has it with capital letters - he’s got the big it.  Colt Brennan just finds a way to get it undone.”

For the night, Colt went 4-5 / 79 yards with the game-winning TD.  A late-game botched FG prevented Colt from taking the field again in OT.

We’ve said it before, and we’ll say it again:  this is only preseason.  Colt will learn more and more as the year continues.  But Colt fans have plenty to be happy about.

I don't know much about Colt but I do know something about late 4th quarter during the second pre season game of the season.

The guys on defense that Colt was playing against will be working at UPS and Burger King again after next week.

I will be very interested to see what Colt does in the 4th quarter with 1:09 left in the regular season against a real defense.

Say what you want........He is NOT failing like everyone predicted. Quite the opposite is my only point.

  Colt Brennan's early success isn't all that surprising.  A lot of people looked at him as a West Coast QB. lo and behold that's the type of offensive system Zorn runs in Washington.  Colt is in an offense that suits his particular skill sets.

I had the unfortunate pleasure of living on the west coast and having his games broadcast every week. He looked great against horrendous teams with a 5 reciever set. He is not a true west coast offense guy, he is just another product of the June Jones "spread em out and fling it 50+ times) system. He had all the hype based on numbers but the big knock was he never faced a real defense. He barely lead his team past a bad UW team, had to go to triple overtime to beat crappy teams, and then got throttled by a good, not great defense in Georgia. What did he accomplish that justifies going higher than 6th or 7th?

Awards and honors
2x First-team All-WAC (2006-2007)
2x WAC Offensive P.O.Y. (2006-2007)
2x Third-team AP All-American (2006-2007)
2x O'Brien Award finalist (2006-2007)
Sammy Baugh Trophy (2006)
Unitas Golden Arm Award finalist (2007)
Heisman Trophy finalist (2007)

Records
Some of Brennan's achievements include:

NCAA record for most career touchdown passes (131). Achieved November 23, 2007.
NCAA record for most career touchdowns responsible for (146). Achieved November 23, 2007.
NCAA record for most 400 yard games (20). Achieved in 2007.
Tied NCAA record for most career touchdown passes by a quarterback-receiver combination (39 to Davone Bess). Achieved November 23, 2007.
NCAA single-season record for most touchdown passes, achieved in 2006 (58)
NCAA two-season record for most touchdown passes, (96 -- achieved 2006-2007)
NCAA record for passing efficiency (season), posting a 186.0 mark in 2006
NCAA record for most passing yards (two seasons) with 9,850 (2005-2006)
NCAA record for most points responsible for (season) with 385. (2006)
NCAA record for highest pass completion percentage (70.4%).

If you don't like the kid , just say so. But saying he didn't acomplish anything? Give credit where its due bro.  :P

Looks like the Skins had a rough go of it last night:

Overall, the Skins were blown-out 47-3.  Colt played the entire 4th quarter, and no other quarterback aside from Collins and Campbell were used.  Next week, the final pre-season game, Colt may get less playing time but has pretty much solidified  his spot as the 3rd string quarterback.
   

Its not official and I'm not saying he's the second coming of Dan Marino.

But for those that said he would be working out of the NFL this season you were sadly mistaken. A 6th rounder for a solid 3rd stringer who could develop was an excellent pick for the skins. 

Dude, really?  The dude might make the TEAM and you're breathing "Marino" in the same sentence?  You're really stretching here.  The 3rd string?  Once the season starts he won't see the light of day in a game.

I think you better get some hooked on phonics bro if you think I was comparing him to Marino at all. And weather or not he gets playing time is not the question. Several here stated he should not have been drafted at all and he will wash out and not even be in the NFL next season. He has had an excellent Pre Season for a rookie and for a 6th round pick was IMO incredible value.

We got Parmele and Donald Thomas in the 6th this year ;)

I have nothing against Colt and I wish him well, but I asked this question before with no answers. We drafted Parmele and Thomas in the sixth round, it looks like Thomas is a lock as a starter on the offensive line and Parmele looks like he will win a job with playing time for Miami. So my question was why would you want to give up a player who will contribute to this team compared to a 3rd string QB who's only contribution would be to hold a clipboard, so who would you have not drafted?

I think Colt will be a good field general and he seems to make efficient throws...it is only preseason so a solid opinion can't really be made...I don't think he would have been a good fit in Miami but I do think he'll be a solid (not great...more along the lines of a Garrard) QB in the NFL...he has looked impressive as a rookie but I'll say it again...not a good fit for the Phins...we are better off with Thomas and Parmale.

Read back to the first post. I NEVER said Miami should have drafted him. At the time I was saying Colt would be a great pick in the later rounds was before the draft and no one knew if Parcells was even going to pick a QB early on. So if they didn't get Chad Henne early on and Colt was still available in the 6th I thought he was a No brain er while others here stated he was not even going to make a Team.

I followed his Pre season and I would have manned up if he sunk like a lead Balloon.  But I think he did excellent. And I just wish the Nay Sayers would Man Up as well and admit Colt was No Fluke in Hawaii. The Kid has some skills.......

The title of the thread is "for those that laughed when I said we should draft Colt Brennan" and now you are saying you didn't say that?  We won't know if he has skills or not until he plays in a real game.

Dude. Try reading a little before just reading what you want into it. I stated about 17 times already I made that statement BEFORE the NFL draft and BEFORE Anyone knew when or even IF The Tuna was gonna draft a QB. Had we waited until the 6th round and we didn't have a QB yet its a No brain-er.

The Question isn't who did we pick in the 6th round that we really seem to hit on. Its more who could we have gotten in the 2nd round if BP choose not to get a QB. But he did and I think Chad Henne is going to be special.

However the comments I received on Colt were that he was shit and should be bagging Groceries by the time September turns around. They said Hawaii was a Fluke do to the soft competition. I begg to differ. He will start somewhere in the near future as well. Mark my words.  Brett Farve was a 3rd stringer when Traded to GB from the Falcons.......... ;)

From Thursday night:

Given the poor performance of the Redskins starting offense, one of the biggest cheers of the night came when Brennan entered the game in the second quarter. Brennan, though still very raw for NFL, has excited fans by putting up good numbers against other teams all preseason and did so again.

Brennan drove the Redskins on an 8-play, 46-yard drive that led to the Redskins’ only score.

Brennan, who is behind No. 2 Todd Collins at quarterback, is battling Derek Devine for the No. 3 spot at quarterback.

Brennan played the final three quarters of the game. Devine did not play.


How many of you all here wouldn't like to see Brennan as our 3rd stringer instead of John Beck this year?  Tell you what..........that 6th round draft pick he would have cost  probably could be traded for a 2nd, 3rd or a 4th next year easily after his preseason performance.

First off don't call her Dude...

I could maybe seeing him pay some mop up duty,late in the season....Till then ...I'm not gonna cry over spilled milk....


I chalk this up to the same as people whining we should have kept Seau,We should have drafted Boldin,Quinn..whom ever it's spilled milk..Let it go already....

 
umm......ok.  ???



More then just about why WE should have drafted him, its more about why I felt all along people were not giving him any credit for what he accomplished in Hawaii. I really felt he was worth a 3rd or 4th rounder Tops. Even a High 2nd.  But for those that said he should be a walk on and won't even play in the NFL.........They couldn't have been more wrong. (Funny how those same people are absent in this thread). Colt will go far in the NFL.........mark my word.

I understand what you are trying to say but I would not. If Pennington went down with an injury that would leave Miami with two rookie QB's with no NFL playing time.
I do believe Brennans future is much brighter then Beck's I just don't like rolling the dice with two rookie back ups.

Need hooked on Phinics? Stl Finfan is well know to be a female......Last time I checked the Draft was in April....It's August about to be September...And you're still arguing with everyione tooth and nail about Colt Brennan...Go figure...

First of all its Phonics, not phinics.  Second of all  I never met StL Finfan so How the heck would I know or care if she is a Female? We are all the same here as far as I'm concerned. But if she had a problem I would try my best to correct it.

As far as the draft being back in April........WTF does that have to do with the people that said he would not amount to shit? I didn't have much to go on back then did I?  ::)

Not that I care one iota, and mainly just to give D5499 someone specific to target with his Colt Brennan rantings, I'll go out on a limb and say that Colt Brennan is no Jon Kitna.   Kitna has been his team's starter for 7 out of 11 seasons since being an undrafted free agent out of Central Washington University.


>:D

Alls I know is we just cut a 6th round draft pick RB Lex something or other.  Guess we can't win them all. I guess I'd settle for those that said it to just come back and admit they were wrong about the guy.

If he proves me wrong, then I will admit I was wrong.  Everyone sucks until proven otherwise.

Seriously.......you don't think he has proven otherwise?  ???