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Are you going to watch it?

I'm not. For a few reasons...1, the last one was boring. 2, my mind is already made up as to who I'm voting for. 3, the next one will likely be boring too.

I'm not going to go out of my way to see it. If there's a MLB playoff game or a cool movie on, I'll watch that instead.

I will - because you never know if something will come out of it.  Why not?  I'll do what I did last night and read the paper at the same time & keep my ears open.

If something crazy comes out of it, it will be reported on the web, and I can watch it at 1AM when its re played.  ;)

If the Red Sox are on then I would most likely watch the game. You are right this last debate was boring and neither have given me a reason to vote for them. So if the Sox aren't on, maybe.

I will watch.  I watch all of the debates.  I even watch the primaries of parties I know I won't vote for.  I just like to be informed, and I really like the post-debate commentary.  (more than the debates themselves, actually.)

I agree there.

I want to make a comment about Fox News and how much I hate it.  I understand that MSNBC is a liberal spin machine.  But I find Fox to be on a whole new level of unprofessionalism and unfair reporting.  It's not their editorial shows that bother me so much, like O'Reilly.  He's just spouting his opinion, so what can you do?

But at least with MSNBC, their panel reporting is fair.  Their statistics are fair.

The reason I bring this up is this disturbing trend I've been noticing about Fox during these debates:

All of the regular news channels: NBC, CBS, CNN use a somewhat scientific polling procedure to determine the general public's opinion of each debate.  They are transparent to their methods, they say how many Dems, GOP, and Independents are in involved (and it matches the national average, roughly).  They do not "lead" the pollsters.  It's an unbiased reporting of stats.

Obama has polled better than McCain.  (But that's not the point.)  The results have pretty pretty consistent and what you'd expect based on what we're seeing nationally.

However, Fox's poll is totally bogus.  They have a "phone in" poll on their station, so that 1) most people who watch Fox are conservative and more importantly 2) the pundits are all saying how McCain won the debate while they put the number on the screen.

So, in last night's debate, the Fox Poll showed that McCain won the election: 86% and Obama: 12%

Where, the actual, non-biased report was something like Obama 50 something, McCain 38% (something like that).

I don't care whether Obama is winning or losing...that's not the point.  It's just that it pisses me off that it's Fox misleading its viewers.  I would be pissed if MSNBC did the same thing on the liberal side.  It's dishonest reporting.

they had those text message polls when they hosted the republican primaries and ron paul won each and every debate according to their polls ..

sean hannity even said their own polling was crap becasue of it

You can text in as many times as you'd like, your selection pool is one-sided, you're giving them the answers while they're selecting.  It's a terrible way to judge anything.

Even if I was a hardcore conservative, that'd still piss me off.  Don't lie to me about how well my candidate is doing in polls....that's gross.

Its stupid yes...But why get so overworked about it? If you don't like it, don't watch it, and don't send a text message.

I watched Fox last night and today as well. They were on McCain's jock after the debate for sure, but the station has done a 180 today and has completely been against the McCain showing last night.

  Meh.  Why bother?  The first two were total snoozefests and besides both candidates totally suck.  I'll watch something else or play PS2.

Because I think the media is important and they have a job and responsibility, and parading around as news when you're so clearly not pisses me off.

Anyone find it weird that when Obama talked McCain was wandering around the stage, and when McCain was talking Obama was sitting looking like he was actually paying attention to what his opponent was saying? It just seemed different. I was not the only one who noticed, they did a great bit on the debate on the John Stewart show last night. The part about Obama looking like a soul album cover was hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTkqosRiyYo

I invite you all to watch this clip from Fox news.  It's not even spin.  It's just lying about the news.

It's this guy in a diner of about 20 people in Pennsylvania.  He asks "Raise your hand if you're for McCain."  One guy does.  (This old guy who didn't understand the question, so his wife pulls his arm down.)

"Now raise your hand if you're for Obama."  Everyone in the whole place raises their hand (including the old guy who raised his hand for McCain.

Then the announcer says "It's split....I'd say a little heavier towards Obama at the moment."

What a bunch of horse-shit.

Don't watch fox if it bothers you.

its split...  ::)  his ass is split...  haha...  that was hilarious!

I find it odd that a conservative news station would promote their agenda, and I find it odd liberal stations promote their own agenda and then claim they are fare and balance. I would say if you don't like it change the channel or leave any other place that promotes their own agenda.

By the way Fox News is the most watched news channel, they must be doing something right.

That's just not good enough.

FOX is masquerading as a news source and blatantly lying to its viewers.  It's one thing to be biased in editorial segments (O'Reilly, Hannity, etc), but to have your anchors blatantly mis-telling factual information in support of the government is outright dangerous.  Go read 1984.

Right we all know liberals don't make up stories. Oh by the way how is Dan Rathers doing ?

A phone in poll sounds pretty transparent to me.

Perhaps they're just giving polling all the attention and detail that it deserves?

Who cares about polls?  Do polls affect anyone's point of view?  "What? 86% of people favor McCain?  I GOTTA GET ON THAT BANDWAGON!"  I don't see it.

How about CNN omitting words from the VP debate transcript? 

Palin said, "I'm not going to answer questions the way you want me to..."

The CNN transcript says, "I'm not going to answer questions you want me to..."


How about editing interviews to totally change the meaning of the answers?



The issue here is not that this happens because it's been happening for a long time.  The issue here seems to be that it's now also happening to the Democrats.

I didn't know that that happened, and if if was done on purpose, then that is detestable.  I already knew your response before you wrote it.  I don't want any news organizations changing the news.

I'm not sure If I'll watch it or Not..Weds. Night's I'm usually pretty busy....I might listen to the rebroadcast of it....

Are you even aware of which news network created (and still uses) the slogan, "Fair and Balanced"?

Hint: It's not MSNBC.  Or CNN.  Or ABC.  Or NBC.  Or CBS.

I'm of the belief,that people that watch Fox,Tend to want to be told things...This is good,this is bad....

I tend to watch CNN...more than any of them...I feel like they say..Here's the Republicans,here's the Democrats...You decide what you want to believe.....

The "one guy" who raised his hand for McCain... was the freaking reporter asking the question!  You can see that he's holding the microphone.  When was the last time you ever saw a journalist insert himself into a poll?  Fox's balanced, objective professionalism hard at work, as always.

As far as that tape shows, there was not one single customer in that diner that was planning to vote for McCain.  To Fox, that's a "split".

HAHA way to go closet GOP boy. There is only one station for those on the right side of the political spectrum to go to, where as there are several news agencies that are splitting the pool of those darn liberals.
Both parties have their own mainstream "news" channels to promote them, so it is ridiculous to claim one is more biased than the other
CNN= Clinton News
Fox= Bush propaganda channel
Our country would be better served if both were taken off the air.

A few years ago, I was watching CNN. The reporter was an unknown, but she was interviewing an al-jazeera reporter. They were talking about how al-jazeera is run, and their viewers. I don't remember what brought this up, but the subject of the events in Blackhawk Down came up. The al-jazeera reporter said something along the lines of "Yes, we do talk about it, and we remind our viewers that those events happened under the watch of this president's father, George Bush." The reporter's only reply was a cutsie little smile, and then they went on to something else. I almost threw my ashtray at the TV. I also sent an email to CNN about it, telling them that it was at that point that they lost me as a viewer. Didn't get a reply back though.

Who told you that?   :P




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Which is it?



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I think both FOX and MSNBC are pretty open about who they are for while others like CNN are not so blatant.  Even when I was voting Democrat I knew that CNN stood for the Clinton News Network.  It goes back to the beginning when Ted owned them and has always been that way.

CBS has always had people like Dan Rather who was obviously biased while ABC had Jennings.  They are all very biased if you pay attention just not so blatant as FOX and MSNBC.

Turns out the McCain camp is on the attack again.  Saying Obama's lying about his ties to Ayers.  IMO, McCain knows he's beat and he's slinging as much mud as he can, hoping some of it will stick. 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/10/09/2008-10-09_barack_obamas_lying_about_link_to_bill_a.html

^^

You know damn well that if McCain had associations like Ayers, Wright, ACORN, etc that the media would have crucified him along time ago. And that Obama would also be pounding away at it. Obama said that McCain didn't "say it to his face." I may watch the third debate just to see if he does.

I think more than not McCain and company are concerened that no one is worrying about this. These have always been issues since Hillary brought them up.

BTW Bush was behind in the polls and considerd to have lost all three debates going into the final week of the last election.  I don't thinnk the McCain camp has panicked nor do I think they think it is over.

I brought this up in a different way in another thread. This thing is far from being in the bag.

McCain may very well lose but it would be a serious mistake to count him out right now.  People are definitely fickle.