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Many on here were apposed to Cindy McCain speaking out and as a matter of fact labeled her an idiot.
Well let's add Madonna to that sheet. Why can't musicians do what they do best and just perform their song's?
If I want to go to a political rally by big mouth Madonna let her advertise it.

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/madonna-jeckles-sarah-palin-at-nyc-concert

Why not?  That is the beauty of the First Amendment.

Last I checked, performers are allowed to say what they want. They're not running for office, nor are their husbands.

And honestly, would you ever go to a Madonna concert? Why does this matter to you?

Nobody was opposed to her speaking out.  People caught on to the absurdity of her asking people to walk a mile in her shoes.

Politics is part of music.  ...and any art form, really.

For the same reason many on here attacked Cindy McCain, the first amendment protects even politicians wives and those running for office. Madonna can disguise her political aganda as a tour all she wants. Now if I would go to a Madonna concert the answer is no unless it was free, I grew up on heavy metal music from the early 70's and I wouldn't pay to go see my favorite group KISS talk politics, I just want to hear their music, that's what I paid for.

Yes, they have to right to say anything they want.  However, the question is should they?  My answer is no.  I go to a  concert to hear music. If I want to hear about politics, I'll come to the TDMMC Off-Topic Board.  ;D

I think you are really stretching this partisan crap. Personally, I like both candidates - I think either one will make a fine president (the VPs are another matter) - but it's become completely impossible to read the off-topic forum due to the EXTREMISM exhibited by a few around here.

From what I read about the "attacks" on Cindy McCain, no one disputed her right to say anything. The wisdom of doing so - and the wisdom of what she said, certainly.

What pisses me off the most about politics is how deep the divide is between people who are VERY close to each other in actual political beliefs, but who for one reason or another identify with a particular PARTY. It's completely irrational - something that has actually been scientifically proven (the part of the brain that responds when discussing politics or listening to a candidate is the emotional part - the "reasoning" part is pretty much inactive).

Had Hillary been the candidate, I strongly believe that she would actually have been MORE Republican in her beliefs than McCain is (or at least was until recently - if he wins, it'll be interesting to see if he goes back to his "maverick" ways).

I don't think you'll ever have to worry about KISS talking politics on stage.  Just a feelin'.  So no worries, attend away.

No, musicians really shouldn't use their concerts as a soap box. I'd be pretty pissed if , after spending my money to attend a concert, I had to listen to the performer rant and rave on politics. Madonna, or anyone else owes it to their fans to give them  what they want, paid for, and are entitled to. Just sing.

Or in Madonna's case, lip sync.

For starters, I called Cindy McCain an idiot (are you surprised by this?). It is, as Househead just said, the beauty of the first ammendment. I have as much right to call Cindy McCain a blonde rich idiot as Cindy McCain does to make ridiculous, holier-than-thou type of statements towards Obama.

Can Musicians use their concerts for political speech? Yes, but I can use TDMMC.com to bitch about it.

SHOULD Musicians use their concerts for political speech? Absolutely not. And, not just their concerts, but their appearance and their "message" in general (U2, Bono, this means you clowns). Musicians should play music and that's about it. The lyrical content of your songs can be anything you want it to be - politics, religion, war, ice cream...but I don't want an explanation / rationalization of it - it's your art. I don't give a F what Serj from System of a Down thinks about the message that he's trying to send by writing "...lies from the tablecloth..." in his song. I don't care what Bono or "The Edge" want to say on Vh1 about the "tone" of their music - just write, record, and play your songs live. No one cares about the explanation. This is up to the listener / audience to rationalize for themselves.

Chalk one more up for the musicians shouldn't use their concerts for political speeches, i don't go to concerts to hear political speeches i go to listen to music. I don't go to concerts period, but if i would i would probably go to a Toby Keith Concert.

Was this latest Madonna thing in the US or abroad?

You are confused.  I don't recall anyone saying Cindy McCain has no right to speak.  The attack was on the cynical, deceitful message.  

Individuals have a right to voice their opinions, whether they are musicians or sports announcers.  If they exercise that right, they must deal with the consequences (re - Dixie Chicks).  I have no problem with Madonna, just as I have no problem with Toby Kieth or Tom Cruise.  People who make a living in the public eye shouldn't have to give up their right of free speech.  

People who make a living in the public eye answer to the public.  It's risky to say or do anything that could alienate part of your audience.  Michael Jordan was once asked to support a civil rights activist in running against Jesse Helms in NC.  Jordan refused and when asked why, his response was simple - "Republicans buy sneakers too".  

Over the course of 2 days I have seen threads supporting limitations on who can vote, and restricting the rights of free speech.  We can call them -

- Voter Enhancement Stars and Stripes Act
- God Blesses America When You Shut Your Mouth Act

then we can add them to the Patriot Act (domestic spying, removal of executive oversight) and Enhanced Interrogation (torture).  

Personally, I think it's very un-American.

P.S. - are you aware of the spell check feature in the reply box?  I'd hate to see you fail the voter intelligence test and lose your right to vote.

The extremists here are extreme 24/7/365.

Performers can do whatever they want.  It's a bit unfair to those who aren't interested and just came for the show - a tiny bit of a bait and switch.  I suppose most concert goers will be ga-ga over anything the performer says or does.


Yes, spouses of candidates CAN say whatever they want, but should they?  Don't they cause problems as often as they help?  

It's funny  you said that, last March I brought my wife to see Toby Keith in concert as she is a big fan of his. To this day I told her I didn't care for some of the stuff he said from stage, though I do agree with what he said. I thought is was in bad taste at the end of the concert he said,"Don't ever be ashamed to be patriotic if they don't like it F-Them(then he stuck up his middle finger to all those who oppose the war) I will never go see Toby again.

I think they have the right to say what they want, but they should be careful. After all entertainers don't always share the same political beliefs as their fans. As has been noted by a lot of people here, they risk losing some of their audience.

Dixie Chicks come to mind.

just for giggles ...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005430/bio

Gene Simmons, in terms of political views, describes himself as neither Democrat nor Republican, but voting based on the issues. While he supports a woman's right to abortion, the environment and church/state separation, he supported Bush in 2004 because he agreed with Bush's foreign policy stands.


Hey  ... in the making of this post I discoved that both Dan Marino and Don Shula are Republicans which is exciting but was completelt reversed in the fact that so is Britney Spears and Bil Bellichick!!! UUGGGHHH!!!!  :D

Oh yes ... back to the topic.  I think they are OK to support a person but they usually come off looking stupid trying to speak for them.  Plus they usually lose fans from one side or the other so it's not always a wise chice to be so vocal.

Gene is very political and patriotic though he wasn't born an American. I have seen them 9 times in concert and can't recall them making any political statements, they were busy talking about their favorite subject.

And, yet, Kiss is your "favorite band."  You know...of "Love Gun", "Lick It Up" and "Heaven's on Fire" fame.  Possibly some of the most massaganistic messages written in the 70's and 80's rock era came from Kiss.

Every time its the same
What follows me is my fame
You're what I need to play the game
You say you like to dance
Mmm, I think Ill take a chance
Ooh, baby, maybe its time for romance
Youre such a jewel in the rough
You wanna show me your stuff
For my money, you cant be too soon

Meet, meet you in the ladies room
Meet, meet you in the ladies room
For my money, you cant be too soon

"Ladies Room" - Kiss

Or nothing like courting underage girls...

Shes got me dizzy, she sees me through to the end
Shes got me in her hands and theres no use in pretending
Christine sixteen, christine sixteen

She drives me crazy, I want to give her all I've got
And shes hot every day and night, there is no doubt about it

Christine sixteen, christine sixteen

I don't usually say things like this to girls your age, but when I saw you
Coming out of the school that day, that day I knew, I knew, Ive got to have
You, Ive got to have you

"Christine Sixteen" - Kiss

Man - you're all over the place with your stances and beliefs, aren't you?  Maybe you should replace your John 3:16 quote with this lyrical Kiss gem:

"Feel my heat takin' you higher, burn with me, Heaven's on fire
Paint the sky with desire, angel fly, Heaven's on fire"

But Toby Keith better not flash that middle finger!   ::)

For the record, Maine doesn't give a crap what anyone says on stage.  I have this thing called a personal filter.

Kiss was all about sex and sometimes liquor though they the group has a pretty strict policy on drinking. And for the record I could careless about Madonna either, you can go see her or not, just like you can switch the tv channel if you don't like the fox channel.
It was nice to see that you actually answered the question of the thread this time around.
By the way Toby wasn't flashing that finger at me because I support the war, I thought it was wrong to do it to those he doesn't agree with. ;)

I don't have any problem with a musician wanting to get his politics across to his audience.

...and the musician shouldn't have any problem with a slight reduction in ticket sales when people who don't want to hear their politics stop buying their concert tickets.

I understand Toby's stance on the whole thing - just merely pointing out that it's a little odd to get bent out of shape over the middle finger while completely looking past the spitting blood and lyrics of songs like "Domino."

For the record, I actually like Toby and Kiss.  Older stuff for both, please..."Blue Moon" doesn't have an equal and Kiss jumped the shark in the 70's...but both are fun.

I bet if she was for McCain you would give a shit . No one said they Couldn't, But should they? Personally as an ex Pro Musician and currently just a hobbyist weekend warrior I gotta say no. I LOVE Bruce and his music but I can't stand the rants he gives. Time to go take a piss when he starts that crap. I paid $100+ to hear your music so STFU and play dammit.

I went to see George Michael in concert about 2 months ago (hey, when one of your best friends is gay, it comes with the territory) but it was a perfect concert.  He played all of his hits, called bush an idiot and thanked all of the straight men for being there because their GF/wives made them go.  He was very entertaining (minus the scandals) and wished us all luck with our new president...whoever he is.  It was just teh right amount of politics...when I go to a concert I expect to hear music, not to start a debate and/lose repect for who I am going to see.

Aren't you a minister?  The whole "give a shit" thing is a bit much for man of the cloth, no? Very harsh language for someone that is supposed to be a minister. I would think you wouldn't even listen to Madonna. The last few concerts I went to, there were religious peeps protesting.

Anyway, I honestly don't care. Just as they have the right to say what they want, I have the right to not listen to them or buy their music. Period.

I think you are misunderstanding defense is not a minister he is a police officer, I am and I didn't say that to you. I have seen religious protesters at the Kiss concerts too, they have the right to be there.

My apologies. I thougt it was you.
To Defense...I still don't care.

Appologies accepted.

Did really believe all the straight guys went there because of their girlfriends or wives? As Wham they had some good music, to this day careless whisper is a great song. I would love to see Elton John, and David Bowie in concert, and let's not forget about Freddy Mercury and Queen, talk about a legend in the field. Not many people know this but Eric Carr(drummer of Kiss)died on the same day Freddy did. We miss you Freddy.

I literally just played that song seconds before I read this post.  Weird.

Wham sucks. >:D

People can say whatever and whenever they want. That being said, they and the supporters have to be aware that they can and will be held accountable for those words, especially if they are wrong.

Speaking of musicians did anyone get a chance to see Def Leppard handle the Stanley cup at the opening game for Detroit ?
It's funny, they odiously have no clue what the Stanly Cup is and place on a pedestal upside down. Just for laughs here is the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmxZyr-juB8

^ They are British.  What do they know about hockey?

They can.  Just as the people in the audience can say.  We do not agree & stop buying their records.

Dixie Chicks found this out the hard way.

Nope........I already gave you guys too much ammo with my Job, I'm keeping my religious beliefs to myself.  

My only point to you Budda is that you seem very one sided and not even willing to discuss another point of view.  I know you are Gay and I have nothing against that. (I dig chicks too!) I know that a Democratic President would probably serve your outlook on life better.  But You gotta realize there are other people in this world with other beliefs and reasons for why they want a Republican President. Me? I can go either way and I realize their are strengths and weaknesses on both sides of the race. Neither candidate is perfect and some of your hate for the other side is kinda disturbing.

For a person who is a gay minority , and I'm sure you have seen your share of prejudice, you sure come out with some pretty racist hateful comments yourself.  

Just saying............ :|

They do.........in more ways then one............ ;D

But I remember when they had that Tribute to Freddy Mercury after he passed away. Queen played with a number of the Top singers in the world. George Micheals easily smoked ALL of them. That guy has some serious pipes.

It was UNREAL live.  It was hands down one of the best (if not the best) concert I have ever seen.

cough cough not elton john cough cough

Hey simeon. Do me a Favor? Why don't you stop playing both sides of the fence here alright?   Being called a Red Neck Racist Pig is kinda personal too ya know. (I'm not even southern) or Racist.........I'll wear the Pig badge with honor though. I'm just trying to stop all the hating going on. Way too much of it going on here. Its just not healthy.

No I understand the personal attacks and I removed that post because she doesn't need me to defend her. Without a shadow of doubt I believe you have been attacked wrongly, as I have been too. And yes there is a lot of hate on the board, trust me I know.

Uhm yeah... I'm not gay. I have a boyfriend. A couple of the guys here have met him.  Oh...and he's white. Futhermore, I know quite a few of the guys and girls on here and they'll tell ya I'm so very not gay.

So, is that all you got? A gay accusation and to say I've been racist.

Your attack on me = FAIL!!!!

So, yeah. Was your wrong assumption supposed to hurt my feelings.

Not trying to win anything........thats your problem.

And if you are not Gay then I apoligize. We have a very active PM system here and I was listening to something that was said by a few others. That and BoSox girls mentioned a Best friend that was so If thats not true then again I take it back. But the point still holds true. Its not healthy to have that much hate exposed everytime you post.

Can you just answer 1 question for me Honestly?  Can you honestly tell me that there is nothing positive about the McCain campaign? Not 1 thing?

What about the fact that many songs are political.

Alan Jackson's "Where Were You (When the World Stopped Turning)"
John Lennon's "All we are saying is give peace a chance"

etc. 

If you like a certain artist, you already know the content of their songs.  It's what they say when they are not playing or singing songs that we are talking about.

Speaking of John Lennon, he would have been 68 yesterday.  How strange is that?

What did BoSox Girl mention about a best friend? She's met my boyfriend. We've had dinner together. I'm in her wedding party. The active PM system? WTF does that even mean?

There's no hatred here. I'm just going to call people out on their bullshit.

And...no. I have nothing positive to say about McCain's campaign. Why is that hard to believe? Different people look for different things in a candidate. That's my right.

Thats a really good point. Lots of Politcians have approached John Mellencamp about using his music and he's told them to Fuck off.

Nothing actually. Just that she had a best friend that was gay , and from what others told me that you were. So I put 2 and 2 together. Like I said.......If I got bad info I apologize. Maybe that person will chime in? if not I'll take the blame.








Just that there are several people here that are sick of the slanted Liberal bias here. This place may become two much of a hate pit soon and may lose several members soon if its not addressed. 



There is a Ton of it coming out of you and THAT's no bullshit. Maybe your just ignorant? I don't know you personally but its becoming more apparent everyday.

No one said you didn't have the right. I have the right to believe many things as well but that doesn't make it right. NOTHING in this world is one sided as you make it out to be. When you drop the big I Know it all , I'm as tough as anyone of you guys attitude, maybe then you will actually learn something. I'd be lying if I didn't admit I haven't learned anything from you. Thanks for answering the question though.
 

Who's Stanley and why did he let Def Leppard handle his cup?  People in Detroit are just wierd.

I've never seen this variation of "I'm not racist!  I have friends who are black!" 

 :P

Has anyone ever heard a crowd singing this and NOT laughed hysterically?  It's like the anthem of the misguided.

My PM box must be broken.   :'(  The last PM I got was someone asking me if I had AIM so he could cuss me out in real time.

And Who's holding the gun to their backs,Forcing them to come here Daily? ::)

Wait let me reprase that....Who's holding the guun to thier backs,Forcing them to Open the Thread,then read it,and respond to it? You can come here and just go through the Dolphins section,or just the Around the NFLsection....and Avoid the Offboard section if you don't like it...

Are you implying that you'd like the off-topic board to be one big happy nonstop liberal circle jerk?

Personally I don't learn a lot from people who have the same views as me.  Unfortunately, I don't learn much from condescending, hate-filled, race baiters either  :P ... but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to try.

You mean you were actually Threatening to Leave?

You mean back in the days,when we used to have lots of fun and laughs....I'd love for it to go back that way.....Unfortunately,I don't ever seeing that happening...

???

As the moderator why don't you be the first to publicly swear off derisive and condescending remarks and encourage the rest of us to follow your lead?

See there's the problem we didn't have people that just come here to argue every This,That,This,That,Was,posted.....Like we do now.... :o

Apparently You didn't read the post I quoted..
..

Coming from the King Of derisive,and Condecending remarks.... ::)

Another threaed Vered to the Personal....Time for the big bad lock....