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I'm sick for the 2nd time in about a month. People keep advising me to take vitamins, load up on echinacea, etc. However, I think all of this herbal healing is a giant waste of money. My anatomy professor is a trained surgeon, and he claims it's all bogus.

Does anyone have any experience to the contrary? What are your thoughts?

You need to cut down on vitamin "D".










Slut.

I have taken echinacea, zinc, and vitamin c when i had a cold and got better by the next day.  Maybe coincidence, but maybe not.

My philosophy is "what's the worst that can happen?"  It can't hurt to try.

Part of it could be adjusting to the NE climate changes.

A little extra vit. C wouldn't hurt (just have an extra glass of OJ)

A women's health multivitamin, once a day, wouldn't hurt either.  I take a men's health one every day and rarely get sick.  And they're not that expensive either if you buy the generic brand. 

I think this has played a factor for sure. The NYC air and tons of people and germs everywhere! I hope I get used to it soon!  ;D

You will, and be sure you're getting enough sleep and washing your hands often. (or have a little bottle of the sanitizer stuff)

How do doctors make their money?   Not by having patients not come see them.  I'll tell you that.   I'm not surprised your anatomy professor thinks its all bogus. I'd bet he was never taught nutrition in school or very little. 

Remember healthy people do not come see the doctor.   

Do you know its a federal law that only prescription drugs or surgery can fix something?  Why do you think that is?  Money.  Plus I'd say all prescription drugs come from the basic herbal stuff anyway & have you not seen the side effects of prescription drugs?

This comes down to a basic what you believe.  IMO God gave us what we were suppose to eat ( veggies ) & man gave us fast food.  Who knows more?  Man or God?   Its all what you believe.

Your body is no different than a car.  Put crapping gas in a car & it will run like crap.  Put crappy food in your body & it will run like crap.

I know first hand that better food means better health.  I spend the first 39 years of my life dealing with breathing trouble & was taking medication to relieve the systems of asthma.   

I got off fast food, soda, tap water, sugar & chemically enhanced food & started eating more raw veggies, juicing & drinking distilled water & I no longer have systems of asthma.  Not taking any medication.  Not only that but I lost 20 Lbs.

Also, my kids eat a very healthy diet & have only been sick once in the last 3 years.  They are 4 & 6 & in Daycare/School.  Their sickness was strep throat & walking pneumonia.  Not some run of the mill colds.

Plus I got a friend who was having trouble with things, got him eating better & his problems cleared up & he lost 50Lbs. by simply cutting soda's & sugar.

Get you a whole food vitamin & eat better. 

Second, if you are eating fast food stop.  That shit is deadly.

All you have to do is look around at the food man is selling you & look at the health & appearance of people around you.  Type 2 diabetes has sky rocketed

Its not an overnight fix, but if you do it then you will be a believer.

^^^Lay off tap water. Bottled water is the devil, unless you are playing sports or working a job site, then it is convenience.

Dphins4me, have you been reading some of Kevin Trudeau's books (e.g. Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You To Know About)?  Seriously.

There was a time when "eating all natural foods" was widely prevalent in the world and there was no Big Pharma infiltrating our lives with countless artificial drugs: anytime before 1800 works.  Feel free to look up the health statistics for that era.

Funny how people are all anti-medical establishment until they get a compound fracture, bladder infection, lung cancer, etc.  Then one of two things happens:

1) you go get some of that evil 21st-century medicine
2) natural selection

P.S. The difference between "alternative medicine" and real medicine is that alternative medicine doesn't work; if it did, it would become part of real medicine.  That's how science works.

Most people do not eat properly so they are lacking in important vitamins that allow a healthy body function properly and fight off colds, etc.

I was just popping in to say this.

What "natural remedy" or vitamins should I take to get rid of the blood clots in my lungs?
I gotta say...I LOVE my Dr. He saved my life. If I wouldn't have gone to the ER when I did I would most likely be dead. Check the statistcs on pulmonary embolisms. Scary to think that I've most likely been having blood clot issues for the past few years. (I had gone to the ER before and was told that it was a runnig injury. It was a clot in my leg.)

I was the picture of health. Ate well. Natural foods. Ran marathons. You named it. However, I have clotting issues.

Janet, you probably have to get used to the weather up there. A good multi vitamin probably won't hurt.

Dphins4me, you come off sounding completely nutso there with your "God gave us what we're supposed to eat" stuff. Fine, if you get sick, DON'T GET THE ANTIBIOTICS.

Or maybe God gave us the ability to IMPROVE OURSELVES, to FIND CURES for diseases, to help HEAL AILMENTS.

As with most Faith-based arguments, it can be used either way and tends to add very little insight. That's not a slight on religion, just that the argument can always be made both ways. If doctors, "men" or the pharmaceutical industry are evil, fine, argue that.

Bottom line: Eating crap is bad for you and DEFINITELY affects your immune system. SCIENTIFIC STUDIES have shown that.

Eating vegetables is good for you and will decrease your cancer risk and any number of other things. Sufficient amounts of specific vitamins and trace elements (fruits and vegetables are a good source) have shown to strengthen the immune system. From the abstract of a recent SCIENTIFIC paper (published Oct 2007 in the British Journal of Nutrition):

Micronutrients contribute to the body's natural defences on three levels by supporting physical barriers (skin/mucosa), cellular immunity and antibody production. Vitamins A, C, E and the trace element zinc assist in enhancing the skin barrier function. The vitamins A, 136, B 12, C, D, E and folic acid and the trace elements iron, zinc, copper and selenium work in synergy to support the protective activities of the immune cells. Finally, all these micronutrients, with the exception of vitamin C and iron, are essential for antibody production. Overall, inadequate intake and status of these vitamins and trace elements may lead to suppressed immunity, which predisposes to infections and aggravates malnutrition. Therefore, supplementation with these selected micronutrients can support the body's natural defence system by enhancing all three levels of immunity.

Do massive doses of e.g. Vitamin C help? Well, feel free to believe so. I wasn't able to find any articles that came to a definitive conclusion on the matter. There was a Japanese study where a "megadose" (their word) of Vitamin C helped patients recover more quickly from pneumonia, when coupled with antibiotics.

A "normal", healthy diet a decent amount of exercise (but not too much) is probably about the best you can do. Popping some extra vitamins is unlikely to do a whole lot if your diet is already varied, but who knows, maybe you're not getting enough [insert random vitamin or mineral here]. There's no reason to believe a standard multi-vitamin could do an harm - and it just might help.

Spider Dan is my hero.  I find myself not having to post, because he's done it for me.

There is no such thing as "alternative medicine".  There's only medicine.

A few thought....

1. I echo fro's statement....


But one common thing college students do that weakens your immune system worse, is consume alcohol.  Drinking drains your body of vitamins.  If you are downing a 6 pack every Friday night you might want to cut that out. 

2.  The weather ... you may have noticed it fluctuates.  The 70 degree days followed by 50 tends to result in a lot of people getting sick, more so than when it is just cold.   Welcome to the Northeast. 

3.  Wash your hands.  Most germs are spread by shaking hands.  And if the other person looks sick -- be rude and don't shake their hands (unless absolutely necessary e.g. job interview)

4. Sleep.  Lack of sleep weakens your immune system. 

5. Drink lots of water/juice. 

 

Sure, I've read part of the book ( about 6 months ago ), but I was already living my life the way I am now, because this is something I started 4 years ago..   Some of the things in the book I believe, some I'm not so sure about.

Why am I not surprised that you believe health can be found in a bottle?

There is a huge difference between short term medicine & life time medicine.  Life time for the most part is a direct result of life style.   Eat what you want, drink what you want & we have a pill for you.  The medical establishment has done wonders for the things that killed people back in the 1800's.    However, there is no money in the cure & it is about 75% of why our health care is the most expensive in the world.

I believe in medicine, just not the ones that they want to put me on for the rest of my life.   I do not believe in cholesterol medicine.  That stuff will kill your liver & put you in a wheel chair if you take a high dose. 

I do not care what you believe.  Its your health & its my health..  Only you & your family will suffer from your poor health.  Not I.  If you drop dead at an early age of heart disease, cancer then I'm not out anything & do not sit around wondering " how could this happen"  If you think eating out of a box will not hurt you then eat out a box.  I'm not, because I've seen the results of eating a healthier diet.

I stay away from fast food, candy, tap water, sodas ( Especially diet ) & eat what was put on this earth for me to eat.
I still eat a pizza a couple of times a month, so do not think I'm a fanatic about this.  In general I eat very healthy about 85% of the time.

I use to crave fast food.  Now, its not a problem to pass a burger joint.  If I happen to be forced to eat there, then usually I end up with stomach problems ( if you get my drift )

 I do not take pain medication, even though I need neck surgery because of a prior injury.  I deal with my pain in other way, instead of putting pain medication into my body.

As far as cancer goes.  Friend of mine had breast cancer.  She had it removed & refused radiation.  Her & her husband checked into a healthier lifestyle & so far years later she is doing great.  Goes to the doctor regularly & no sign.  They are doing something with her PH & eating the things that prevent her body from becoming acidic.  Not up on all that.

So, there you go. 

There was also a story a two years or so ago about how the Gov was trying to force a kid who had cancer to go through the process again.  He & his parents refused, the boy wanted to do alternative methods.  They tried to take the kids away,b but finally settled it & last thing I read about him he was doing better than he ever did on modern medicine.

Believe however you want.  I know eating healthy provide me with more energy, a better looking body & a better outlook on life..  My quality of living has increased since I changed my diet.

Sleep is also an important aspect of good health.

  That sounds like a real health issue & not a life style issue.  Blood clots are serious & to my knowledge are not a result of lifestyle.

Health is about statsics.  Life is not a guarantee. 

We know if you smoke it increases you chance of getting lung cancer ( That is a fact ) & if you do not then it does not mean you have a 100% chance of not getting lung cancer.  It just means your chances improve by not smoking.

There are cancer cells in our body everyday.  Our body is fighting them, every day.  It just depends on what our body does with those cells that determines if you get cancer.  A healthier lifestyle means a stronger body.

  Alternative speaks to non standard as we know it.

  Read a report on what is found in your tap water.

Also, I distill my own water.  You should see the crap that is left over.

  Fine, if I come off that way.  Its the way I believe. I believe in God & believe he gave us what we needed to be healthy.   

I've not been sick in 4 years.   Again there is a difference between short term & long term.  Antibiotics while probably prescribed too much are fine.  You take them, you get better.  You stop taking them.  You do not stay on them for the rest of your life.  Nothing wrong with Short term medicine.

We agree on this.

Damn,Dphins4me comes in here with some logical advice,i.e.,eat healthy and natural and your health may improve,and gets attacked because he mentioned the word God in one sentence.He did not suggest not going to a doctor if one has an emergency or a serious health issue,all he said was that the medical establishment is hellbent on prescribing drugs that we really wouldn't need if we were to take care of our bodies.Nor did he ever suggest that anyone fall down and pray to his God for their health,no,all he did was state that,for him,changing his eating habits has resulted in a much healthier and happier lifestyle.Damn.you guys must be some really uptight assholes!

I find it interesting when the inevitable anecdote about an acquaintance that refused modern medicine and did Just Fine is trotted out.  Why?

When a person refuses medical treatment and dies, this is not news.  They refused treatment.
When a person accepts medical treatment and lives, this is also not news.  Medical treatments are used because they are proven to work better than doing nothing (or using a salve made of eye of newt, or what have you).
 
Dphins4me, it is unfortunate that you live in the 21st century and not the 19th, or you would have been able to extol the virtues of all-natural snake oil without the shadow of Big Pharma silencing the Truth.

One person brought up as a small part of their answer quoted his one sentence. He has hardly been "attacked".

As long as this is acknowledged, I'm fine. It irks me to hear people yap about doctors and eating healthy, etc when I was taking very good care of myself and landed in the hospital. Shit happens. That's what doctors are for.

I'd like you to move out of your house now. God didn't give us hammers, bricks, glass, concrete, steel or power tools. Short term, it's OK for you to live there, but long term, God gave you everything you need.

Thank you.  You nailed it.

  Just passing along a story about someone who refused the treatment for cancer & is living proof.

  Mock all you want, that is what people do when someone believes something they do not understand.  Its the childish way of dealing with situations.    No where did I say anything about snake oil or eye of newt.  Just proper nutrition will provide you with better health & that health cannot be found in a bottle or medicine..  Medicine. does not make you better, its simply suppresses the systems of your problem.. 

Again I'm not concerned other than having fun here with what you do or believe.  That is the greatest thing about this country & that I understand.  Believe what you want, because you & your family are the only ones that will pay for your beliefs. I simply believe that long term medication for the most part is lifestyle driven. Sit on your couch & eat bad food & pop a pill.  That is just how some people want to live.  Just do not cry about the cost of health care.  This belief is the reason for the cost of health care.

I do not concern myself with what they are charging for health care.  Why?  I'm not using it & that is the greatest thing.  My money goes to a better quality of food instead of feeling bad & having to pay the doctor.

I forgot to ask.  Did you read the book here or did you wait for someone to provide you with your opinion on this subject also?  BTW I cannot quote every word out of this book either, but I guess that means I did not understand it. ::)

  Yea, shit happens.    Eating healthy is not a guarantee of great health; genetics, enviorment also play a role in things.  However, if you take 100K of people that eat healthy & 100K of people who don't the statistics will show that eating healthy will benefit you.

I’m not saying anything here that reports on the poor health of the USA has not already said, yet some here are acting as if I just said an alien came down to visit me.

Doctors are fine, never said otherwise.

It's unfortunate that you mix sound (scientifically proven) advice with specious arguments about the negatives of modern medicine.

There is no question that leading a "healthy life", good diet, regular exercise and enough sleep, is a Good Thing. It reduces your risk of becoming ill and your overall energy levels and moods will be better than if you ate junk food, got too little sleep and were inactive.

Note the word "reduces", however.

Just because your risk of getting e.g. cancer is reduced, it is not zero. The same goes for pretty much every other disease.

So if you are unfortunate enough to get a brain tumor, and I sincerely hope you never are, will you refuse treatment? If your child gets leukemia, will you refuse bone marrow transplants?

I hate the idea of having to take medicine - and fortunately I don't have a chronic disease (that I know of, anyway). Yes, you can manage many cases of e.g. diabetes and high blood pressure through diet and exercise, but that doesn't mean that is the case with all cases or all other diseases, chronic or not.

   I do not need bricks, glass, concrete, steel or power tools to be healthy.

If I'm building a house then I do.  

So what does building supplies have to do with long term health?

If God gives you, directly, everything you need, why are building materials different than medicine?

Just because your understanding of one may be more complete than your understanding of the other. Both are man-made and can greatly improve your quality of life. You also railed against "man-made" food, which, again, begs the question: Why are building materials different than food and medicine?

In your latter arguments, you amended (or clarified) your initial position and stated that short-term use of medicine is fine. What is the difference between short-term and long-term use? Do you believe that medicine is fine for covering up symptoms, which may be preferable in the short term, but provides no "cure"?

  Gee, isn't this what I basically said above, but just with less words?




Dude try reading what I have written & not what you want me to have written.    No where have I said medicine is all bad.

  Find one place where I said the word " all "

Its kinda hard for me to reply when you are replying to things I've never said.

  Probably because I do not put building materials into my body.    Why are they different?  Return sales.

If I build a house, then I do not purchase anymore building supplies.  If I take long term medicine then I purchase more.

See this is the problem with you.  I said I believe God gave me everything I needed to be healthy.  I did not say God gave me everything I ever needed.  You said that in order to ridicule

For you.  I do believe God wanted me to get off my arse & do something, but I could just sit back & wait for the Gov. to take care of me.



  Again I do not put building supplies into my body to be processed by my body.   A human body is basically a chemical factory.  It breaks everything down & everything that it breaks down reacts with your body in some way shape or form.

Last time I'm addressing building supplies, because this analogy is ignorant.

  If you are covering up symptons then you are not helping your body.

My son had strep throat.  He got a shot.  He no longer had strep throat.  Shot cured the strep throat.

You are told you have high cholesterol.  You take a pill everyday for the rest of your life & hope it does not kill your liver.  No cure, just more chemicals introduced into your body & just look at the list of side effects, but go ahead & take it.  Its your body to do with it as you choose.

Do you see the difference.  God I hope so.

  Probably because I do not put building materials into my body.    Why are they different?  Return sales.

If I build a house, then I do not purchase anymore building supplies.  If I take long term medicine then I purchase more.

See this is the problem with you.  I said I believe God gave me everything I needed to be healthy.  I did not say God gave me everything I ever needed.  You said that in order to ridicule

For you.  I do believe God wanted me to get off my arse & do something, but I could just sit back & wait for the Gov. to take care of me.



  Again I do not put building supplies into my body to be processed by my body.   A human body is basically a chemical factory.  It breaks everything down & everything that it breaks down reacts with your body in some way shape or form.

Last time I'm addressing building supplies, because this analogy is ignorant.

  If you are covering up symptons then you are not helping your body.

My son had strep throat.  He got a shot.  He no longer had strep throat.  Shot cured the strep throat.

You are told you have high cholesterol.  You take a pill everyday for the rest of your life & hope it does not kill your liver.  No cure, just more chemicals introduced into your body & just look at the list of side effects, but go ahead & take it.  Its your body to do with it as you choose.

Do you see the difference.  God I hope so.

Trying to recover from that triple post there... ;)

I still don't see what the real difference, in your mind, is between building materials and stuff you put into your body. I think I see what you mean when you are trying to be rational, but...


It's quite amazing how you manage to contradict yourself in single sentence.



And if they didn't get ALL of the cancer, she would be dead. She gambled and won. Doesn't mean it wasn't a gamble. Doesn't mean it wasn't the "smart" gamble, either. It's weighing the pros and cons, like most medicine. Make rational argument, don't start bringing God into it and then saying that some medicines are good and others not. That makes no sense at all.

Dphins4me, I'd like make one point perfectly clear here:

I agree with you (almost) completely on so-called "lifestyle diseases". In many cases, a disease caused by ones lifestyle can be fixed, at least long term, by fixing ones lifestyle. It might be beneficial to take medicine in some transition phase, but many cases of lifestyle diseases can be addressed by changes to ones lifestyle.

However, you are not just advocating skipping drugs when it comes to lifestyle diseases. You are also strongly insinuating that skipping radiation treatment after a mastectomy is the right choice. That kind of opinion is, in my opinion, dangerous. You are putting yourself and others who might listen to you at risk.

Sure, there are side effects to some treatments, many even, and ANYONE in need of treatment should sit down and consider the risks involved. Any good doctor will be more than happy to help in that process.

By the way, your rant against the established medical opinion on lifestyle diseases is not warranted. The accepted and established treatment, today, for high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes etc. is not just "continue living like you were, just take this pill every day for the rest of your life", as you claimed. No, science clearly indicates that a change in lifestyle - often combined with medical treatment, which may or may not be lifelong - is the best treatment. Doctors do need to be realistic, however, and I would not be surprised if the vast majority of patients were simply unable or unwilling to implement the wholesale changes to their lifestyle that would be needed to address their illness.

You guys kill me. Why did it have to be  "as god intended"? Oh thats right you took another benign thread that had nothing to do with religion and injected your beliefs. The correct term would have been "as nature intended" since no one has proven an omnipotent being created nature and commanded it to produce the things we eat. Once we have 100% proof that such a being did, then your statement would be factually correct.

Here is the thrust of my point:

natural != healthy

Just because something is all-natural, that does not make it healthy.  I can trap a wild boar that has never felt the touch of civilization and slaughter it; the bacon that I get from said boar does not magically become healthier than, say,  a protein shake.

^^^ But it tastes a hell of a lot better.

Damn.  I shouldn't have stayed in school for seven years to study this crap then.  Darn it...

   Do know it was 4 am & I  am working graveyards.

Being rational?  So by saying I believe God provide us the nutritional food our bodies need to be healthy is not being rational?   

Replying would take it off on a tangent.


  I simply said, they probably take a herbal form, break it down chemically & then make it in a pharmaceutical grade form to sell it.   

  Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn't.  Maybe they got all of it & maybe they didn't & what she did worked.  We do not know.

 
  IMO, when they cured Polio the pharm industries figured out that by curing it, they lost revenue. 

Just my opinion, you do not have the share it.

  I agree 100%.  Nothing wrong with taking medicine even long term medicine for a short term to transition.   

I did just that.  Doctor wanted me to go on Niacin to bring down my triglycerides.  I ended up in the emergency room about a month later because of it, but it worked.

As a society we have gotten to instant with things.  No one became fat over a week, but when they start exercising to lose weight & it does not work in a week then they stop because its not working.

Incorrect.  I just told of a friend who did.  No where did I say you should or anyone else should.  This is your body & you decide what is best for it.  Not me, not the doctor, not your wife/husband.  Just you.

Three years ago when the doctor told my wife she needed heart procedure, she ask me what I thought.  He told her it should fix her problem.  I replied it did not matter what I thought.  It was her body.  If she wanted to have it, then have it.  If she didn't then don't.    She did & it helped for a while & last Jan she had to have it again. 

No one can nor should you let anyone else make decisions for you on your own body.  Its the only thing that is truly yours.

  Probably all.  I do not think their is one drug that does not come with a long list of side effects.

Heck, I was on Singular for years & just last year they came out & added that it could give you suicidal thoughts.  Where can I sign up to take that drug again?

  Yeap. We are lazy people who want to eat what taste good to us 100% of the time.   

  Because it is what I believe & its is what I said.

Another?  You are just making shit up now.  

I've been on this board for years & have never used the word God, nor discussed  my beliefs.

I'm not concerned with factually correct when it comes to my beliefs in an omnipotent being ( as you put it )   Are you afraid to use the word God?

 

Rephrase.  Long term medicine.

You mock.  What cure does pain medication provide?  None.  It suppresses that pain receptors.

Doctor put my mother on 800MG of Motrin.     Now she has one kidney.  What is the side effect of Motrin?

Doctor wanted to put my mother in-law on hormones pills.  She researched it & found out that the pills came from horse piss.  She refused & then a few years later they found out that it increased a woman chance of developing some form of cancer ( I think breast )

If you have to take something for the rest of your life, then it is not providing a cure.  Its only suppressing the systems.  If it was providing a cure, then you would not have to take it for the rest of your life.


Just look around at all the reports all the long term drugs being pull because of the harm it is doing.   The fact is they do not know the long term effects on the human body until people have been on it long term.  You cannot research that stuff.

Man makes food that addresses our taste buds.  Its loaded with sodium & sugar.

Would I rather sit down & eat a hamburger & fried more than I do.  Yes, but I know eating that way is not good for me.

  Agree.   You should know what you are putting in your body.

   Not addressing the analogy, because I'm not up on wild boars.

For me, I do not think things produced in a lab are as healthy as things grown out of the ground.

Have I drank a protein shake?  Yes.  Did it work?  I think so.  Was it healthy?  Debatable.

Would I rather get my protein from food instead?  Yes.

No but this was a thread about vitamins and taking them to ward off colds/flu's. You said "as god intended" when describing what we eat. That is bringing a religious connotation into a discussion that had no reason for it. You could have brought up all your points about healthy eating and such without mention one iota of personal religious beliefs, and still made a valid case, yet you could not. Why? Can you not have a rational discussion about natural foods and healthy eating without invoking your personal diety?

  Some of you have taken my comments & ran with them.  Eye of Newt?  WTF?

My belief is this.  Eat healthy food ( Grown out of the ground - fruits & veggies )
Eat a small portion of meat.  Drink water.  

Stay away from fast food, refined sugar, artificial sweeteners, processed foods.

Reduce the chemicals in your life.  ( Cleaning supplies, on/in your food )

Exercise several times a week.

Stay away from long term medicine that is lifestyle driven for the long term..If you go on it, but change your lifestyle to get off of it.

I believe this increases your odds of a better quality of life.  

However, as stated before.   Nothing is guaranteed in this world.  Tomorrow is not promised to you.

  Yes.  You said " Another thread "  Implying I have injected God into another thread.  Which is false.

   Do not believe in synthetic vitamins.

  I started & ended it with its all what you believe.    I did not say this is how it is.  I gave my belief.   

My words.



You feel uncomfortable with me using God.   Ok, but I'd do it again. 


  I did not ask if they believed or if anyone else did.  If someone believes in God then why would they not believe he provided the quality food we needed to nourish our bodies.  I did not say you had to believe in God.

I did not want to know if they believed or not.

So let me see if I have this straight, any long term medications are bad?

I'm curious, what if you're suffering from crippling arthritis. Should you just "deal with it"? Switch to whole wheat? Or down some ibuprofen?

In my professor's defense, he is a SURGEON. His patients aren't coming to see him because they didn't take their vitamins, they are there for much bigger reasons.  He makes a good living as a professor as well, so I don't think he is earning anything by telling people vitamins are bogus. It's just his own personal belief and experiences in the healthcare field.

This is the weirdest thread I've ever read.

I did yoga when I was 18-21. I still do it every so often today. One day, my yoga instructor started yapping a bit about how "western medicine" did X, Y, and Z, and how it was flawed, and how "eastern medicine," eating well, breathing, and yoga could make you much healthier than all that. I don't know that I've ever rolled my eyes so hard.

If my arm gets run over by a steamroller, don't expect to see me shoveling down broccoli, breathing slowly, and  doing a picture-perfect downward dog. Expect me to head to the ER.

Let me get this straight one more time......
a.someone posts that in their experience,eating healthy and exercising has had positive results in their life.
b.said person states that God has given us everything we need to be healthy,does not talk down to anyone or try to force their beliefs on anyone else.
c.in return gets totally ridiculous attacks from people who obviously can't comprehend what they read.
d.wow,I'm just glad that this is such a friendly board where all are welcome to share and express ideas..........

All Dphins4me is saying(in my opinion)is exactly what each and every one of any of your own personal physicians would tell you.......if you eat right and exercise chances are you willl get sick alot less,you will have a more positive attitude,and you will feel better and not need to see the doctor until you have something more serious than a cold.

Oh. Well, I agree with that, barring exceptional circumstances like genetic disease and such.

This thread had gotten very divergent.  Couple of thoughts.

Most "Eastern Medicine" is really more about prevention than treatment and cure. 

Like SCFinFan I am not going to breath deep and eat broccoli if I am in auto accident.  But eating broccoli and exercise may help prevent needing to go to the ER for a heart attack.

Recently thing have started to change, but for a long time "western medicine" was almost exclusively about treatment and almost zilch about prevention.

Incidents of ADD is on the rise.  And I have a mild case of it. (never bad enough to take drugs) I bet you if you traced the increase it would track pretty close to the rise in the use of school buses.  When I was a kid most days I rode my bike to school.  Occasionally I would get a car ride. Guess what? Most of the days I got in trouble were days I got a car ride.  My grades jumped up when I got a morning paper route (effectively doubling my morning exercise.)   You stick a kid on a bus, then demand he sit still all day and if he can't you give him a drug.  Maybe if he walked two miles to school first he wouldn't need the drug. 

There is no question we need of humans to have vitamins.  But it is questionable if   eating synthetic vitamins has any value.  So what do we do, instead of giving kids an orange (which has real vitamin C) for breakfast we give them a bowl of refined sugar and synthetic vitamins because a cartoon tiger told us they are grrrrrreat. 

So I stand by my original advice to Janet.  More OJ, less beer.  Wash your hands.  Eat healthy.  That doesn't mean I would tell her not to go to doctor if she get seriously sick. 

Oh, I would add if you smoke or are around smokers cut that out.  That crap seriously increase your likelihood of catching the flu or a cold (and stuff a lot worse too)

     I take no pain medication. This comes from a man who has it in his neck from a High school injury & why I've been told by a doctor that I need neck surgery.   I deal with my pain with massages, chiropractic care, cold & heat pads & do rather well for the most part.

   Actually grains are one of the main causes for inflammation.   Alcohol is another.
They both break down in the body as a sugar which causes inflammation.

  This is where some of you guys/girls are getting stupid on this.  Nothing is going to help you ( Not even western medicine ) if your arm gets ran over by a steamroller.   Emergency situations are emergency situations.  No on is saying that if you take a bullet to the head, that you go take some herb to heal it.  This is about health & quality of life.

No one of any intellect can deny to benefits of fish oil these days.   However, the west is just now finally acknowledging these benefits, when its been out there for who knows how long.

Do you know what the No. 1 prescribed anti-depressant is in the world?   Its not a western medicine.  Its a herb.

Also, if western medicine & food is healthy then why is the health of America declining?  The biggest misconception in the US is that our medicine & hospital care is far & above other countries.  When in fact its not.  The only place we are No. 1 on health care is cost.

I keep hearing about scientific studies on our medicine.  Do you people not follow the number of these medicines that are being pulled for deadly side effects & the fact some companies have just been flat out lying about?   Knowing that it increased the risk of say heart attacks, but buried that information in order to get it to market?  or the FDA decided that yes it will kill a certain number of patients but help far more. 

   If its not an immediate life threatening situation then I believe for the most part it can be handle with a life style change.

Nor would I, but had you been doing that your recovery most likely would be quicker.

Yeap.

The statistics are finally catching up & also more people are finding out that its not making them healthy.   Basically people are become more & more educated on the subject & not missing all the law suit & facts about companies lying about the long term effects of their drugs.

More people die from pharmaceutical drugs than illegal drugs every year.

I agree with this.   

   Lack of sleep & too much sugar ( Which goes with your cereal comment )play a huge role in ADD.   When kids do not get enough sleep they get extremely hyper.  Add a poor diet loaded with sugar & the end result is not being able to sit still.  Plus, schools do not allow kids enough run around time these days.

I know kids that do not get to bed until 11 on a school nights.  They are hard to handle kids.  Mine go to bed 95% of the time at 8:15.  Get up at 7.  They are 4 & 6.

  Agree.   No one is saying do not go to the doctor, if you have a problem.  Just educated yourself on what he/she tells you. 

I LIKE DRUGS!!!!!!

Is this guy Spongebob or what?

I would like to see the scientific evidence that more people die from legal drugs than illegal drugs.  If this includes abuse of legal drugs, I might believe it, but I do not believe  that more people die from using correct dosages of legal drugs than illegal drugs or abuse of legal drugs.

Also, the "herb" people take for depression.  St John's Wort can do some nasty stuff to you.  It's is certainly not safe for everyone.

   The report I read I cannot truly recall if it included abuse or not. 

What if it didn't?   Thing is most people who die from legal drugs die from things like heart attacks & kidney failure. 


  It is..  St. Johns Wort is the most prescribed anti-depressant in the world.

 Anything you put in your body reacts & why you should talk to a doctor.  There are doctors out there who practice holistic also.

Guess what kids, I use some herbal supplements and nutritional supplements for animals.  You need to know what you are putting into your (or your child's or your pet's) and what the possible side and adverse affects can be.  Educate yourself.  If your doctor does not explain things to your satisfaction, find another one who will.  There is a place for "Eastern" and "Western" medicine to coexist.  Both have positive things to offer if used correctly and judiciously.

There is no such thing as synthetic vitamins. That's complete BS. Vitamins are specific chemical compounds. Additional chemicals and the specific physical form of the vitamin (e.g. dissolved in water, crushed etc) may influence the effective uptake.


Unless you can provide proof, I'm calling bullshit on this as well.

Sugar does not cause inflammation.

Wheat does not cause inflammation in HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS.

Recent fad diets that have healthy people avoiding wheat are HARMFUL and proponents of such crap should be forced to display scientific PROOF of their claims or retract them.

There are a number of diseases that present with symptoms of "wheat intolerance". Gluten is the typical culprit, although not the only one. Celiac Disease is a fairly common (over 2 million diagnosed cases in the US) disease that can (and often does) present with symptoms of joint inflammation. In individuals with CD, ingestion of gluten causes inflammation in much the same way ( as rheumatoid arthritis (which has about the same prevalency, i.e. ~ 1% of the population).

There are also individuals that are "insensitive" to gluten (less severe than the "intolerance" of CD), with symptoms ranging from joint inflamation to migraines, with everything from upset stomach to fatigue in-between. A specific protein in gluten is the culprit, not some mysterious sugar-causes-inflammation mechanism.

  Any vitamin created in a lab is synthetic. IMO  More or less the ingredients come from chemical make up instead of food.

Obvious you did not do a quick Google search before posting this. 

  I guess it depends on what you want to call proof.  Anything I put forth it is clear you will disagree with or call BS on, so here is a quick Google search.  Maybe you can find one, that you can agree with..I doubt it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=does+sugar+cause+inflammation&aq=1&oq=Does+Sugar+cause+inf

My personal source is a nutritionist. 

  This has nothing to do with a fad diets or Celiac Disease.  Also, reducing my grain intake helped bring my Triglycerides down. 

Not trying to convince you.  If interested then research it yourself.  If not, then go about your life with no thought of this.

You stated that you did not believe in synthetic vitamins. There is no such thing as synthetic vitamins. The method of production can be synthetic. Vitamin C, for example, is the chemical compound 2-oxo-L-threo-hexono-1,4- lactone-2,3-enediol.

There is no difference between vitamin C extracted from shit, an orange or mixed together in a lab.

It's the same freaking chemical compound. The body needs it and doesn't care how it was made. Period.

What can (and does) make a difference is how the vitamin is ingested. Uptake of many nutrients, not just vitamins, depends on other nutrients. Vitamin D, for example, increases the uptake of Calcium.


You don't find it interesting that the sites in the results all want to sell you something or mention the word "wellness"?


If you experience noticable inflammation upon intake of sugar or wheat, I suggest you contact a doctor. That is not normal and can be indicative of an allergy/intolerance/insensitivity, diabetes or other metabolic disorder.

Hyperglycemia and hypoglycemia (higher and lower, respectively, levels of blood sugar) are both associated with increases in IL-6 (a marker of inflammation). In other words, don't pig out and don't starve yourself.

It was previously believed that glucose (sugar) caused an increase in oxidative stress (which, in turn, could cause inflammation). Recent studies have disproved that. From the conclusion of one such recent study:

These new data from a controlled intervention trial indicate that acute, transient increases in plasma glucose following oral intake of a large glucose load do not, as previously reported, cause a significant decrease in plasma antioxidants or increase oxidative stress in non–diabetic subjects

Source: European Journal of Nutrition, Volume 44, Number 4 / June, 2005.


Triglycerides are FAT. In plasma (which is what you are talking about), triglycerides are the body's way of transporting excess energy - from ANY source - to fat deposits.

Want to bring down your triglycerides? Consume fewer calories or increase your activity level.

If you reduce your wheat intake, but keep your calorie intake the same, you will NOT see a reduction in your plasma triglycerides.

That is your opinion.  Mine is Vitamin C taken in by a food source is better for you.  I'm not arguing.  Its my personal opinion.

Yours is its just a chemical compound.

We have to agree to disagree.


Things like that do matter.
 
I just posted a google search.  I did not search the sites. 

I'm not.

  Doesn't explain why mine came down then.  However, they did & that is all I'm concerned with.