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I know a few of you guys have bought condos in the past few years. I've been shopping for a condo the pst few months and my offer was accepted. I'm just starting to get the condo docs, fill out the paperwork, pay all of the fees, etc. (Note: Everything is sitll kind of up in the air since the condo MUST be spot approved by the FHA for my loan to go through.)

Is there anything that I should be on the look out for when it comes to the association? Are there particular questions I should ask or things I should be on the lookout for?

I know that an assesment was just done since I put in an offer. (The dues went down.)

Would love any advice you guys have.

Ask for the minutes from every board meeting for the past three years.  These meetings will detail every little issue that has gone on in that association for the applicable amount of time that might seep into your life. 

Minutes are your friend.  And make the request mandatory, not optional.  But very wary if there seems to be missing minutes.

These things will give you insight on things from people that had leaky roofs to people that complained about other members to complaints about landscaping.  They are your window to that association.

That's a great idea. I'm driving over there tomorrow to turn in my application. Is that the best time for me to ask for this stuff? I don't want them to think I'm a pain in the ass before I'm even approved.

You will hate the condo association.  People are crazy, and condo commandos are a definite.

Some of the crap that they do makes my head shake.

Condo associations suck.

I'd just say ask for a copy of their operating budget so you know what you're paying for.  I think its required by law that they have to provide it to you if you ask for it. 

I just received all of the bylaws or whatever. The packet is HUGE and left a big lump in my throat. The closer I get, the more I question buying a condo. Unfortunately, I can't afford a house by myself. Nor do I really think that I can take care of a house.

However, if this falls through I will probably save a bit more money and go with a house in a year or 2. Or maybe a townhouse that is a little less restrictive.

I am very easy going, and I don't care about that stuff.  But even I've been pissed multiple times at the crap that this place pulls.  For example, I couldn't put a plant on my front porch, because they said I was using my front porch as storage.

It's not big deal type of stuff, but it sucks to feel like you've got a hall monitor watching your every move.  It's irritating, and you don't feel free.  If you can handle that, it's fine, but eventually, they will come knocking on your door over some ridiculous shit.  Be prepared.

Yeah. I'm reading up on all that stuff. I'm positive I will mess something up.

Associations are as good or bad as you want them to be.  Understand the rules clearly.  Can you live with those?  Yes?  No sweat.  Are you a drama-free person?  Live by the rules and fly under the radar.  Pay your dues on time.

Condo living becomes hard when people make it hard.  Just go in with your eyes open.

How dare you store all that paint on the outside of your condo as well...

I actually think I'll be ok. I've lived in apartments for a while. Not the big corporate types either. Little ones with my landlord living next door. I'm pretty quiet (though they might HATE the flute playing), my dog isn't loud, and I have common sense so we'll see.

I also have a problem with the tone that the place takes when they have issues.  They have no tact.  For example, if someone were to have just called up and said "hey, I know it's silly, but the laws say that you can't have a plant on your porch.  Please move it when you get a chance."   No problem.

But, instead, they give you a DO THIS OR ELSE notice about putting liens on your place and fining you and stuff.

Seriously? That's what would get under my skin. If I violate some silly rule, let me know. No need to start threatening liens and stuff like that.

Unfortunately Dave is right.Homeowners associations are just as bad,also.You get these retired assholes that have nothing better to do than walk around  and spy on you and see if you do something wrong.When my 1st wife and I were looking for a house(this is 20 years ago) it drove me nuts,we had a brand new pickup truck that looked as it had just rolled off of the showroom,and in at least 3 subdivisions we looked at,trucks were against the assoc. rules.You couldn't put a swingset or a basketball goal out for your kid,no dogs....or any doghouse must match the color of your house(I'm serious),garage doors must be kept completely closed except from 8am--4pm on saturdays........these are only a few of the ridiculous rules I can remember.Hopefully,your condo will be better,good luck.

For every dumb ass rle, there's 30 pissed off residents bitching about people who break them.  I'll give an example:

I am the vice=president of my associations board of directors.  Due to a city screw up, we ended up having no means of trash collection.  So, I was put in charge of developing a system for waste removal for 196 condo unit residents.  We hired a company called Valet Waste (some of you might know them) to come 5 days a week and remove trash from everyone's door.

The month after Valet Waste started their service, people showed up at meeting bitching about trash cans out all the time.  "Why do we need 5 days a week?" they said.  That's the service, deal with it.  Its simple, tell your neigbors to bring their trash can in.

So, now, the property manager is forced (by the 30 complaining residents) to give people violation notices and $25 fines for leaving their trash cans out during "non-approved hours" ::)  We've waived a bunch of them so far, and we don't want to do it, but our hand is forced by the complainers.

So, before you complain about the stupid rules, realize that they're probably there because on of your neighbors, at some point, complained about it. 

Wouldn't it be best to ignore the complainers in this type of scenario?

you can't just ignore them -

(a) they have a point, the place looks a mess. 
(b) they will continue to badger until it looks like you're doing something to fix it.

if its one or two people, we will ignore them easily.  If its 30 people, you can't just ignore them.

You guys are scaring me with the horror stories. I wonder if I'm even allowed to put plants on my patio.

Check the docs....

We have two plants outside our front door (tomato and pepper) so it depends on the association and their rules

I'd advise you to do a few things:

(a) - read the docs, find out what you are and are not allowed to do
(b) - find someone who's on the board and under age 50 and make friends with them.  You don't have to go the the club with them, but waving "hi" on the sidewalk goes a long way
(c) - go to the monthly board meetings.  They suck and can run hours, but contain a ton of worthwhile information.
(d) - pay your fees on time

As for the financials, if you're happy with the amount of monthly dues, then great!  But, you should know what's included in those dues.  Typically its Water, Cable, and maintenance, but sometimes it includes insurance, which is huge.

Great. I'm going to drop off my application today. My fees do include water, cable, maintenance and insurance. So, I guess that is good.

Honestly, I'll be glad when all of his is over. I still have to wait for my condo to be HUD approved, too.

I don't think that reading the docs will really help you all that much, because there are things you'd never have thought of.  ...like "storing" plants on your porch.  Things are worded in a way that seem reasonable, but they play to the letter of the law to the point that it's ridiculous.

Just get used to the idea that your going to get hassled by stupid crap at some point.

Dave, in your case, I am betting that someone complained (or maybe one of the nosey board members themselves) that either they didn't like your plants, or they thought it looked messy, or they're allergic, or something personal, that they loosely interpreted an existing rule to force you to remove them.   That seems super lame. 

By law they have to grant you an appeal if they levy a fine, you should go and scream at them.

The plants were not visible.  The condo association did a walk-around.  They weren't removed because they were an eyesore, but the front stoop is considered public property and it was something about having to have the space open in front of the stairs or something.

My individual situation isn't the point.  My neighbors have all had unrelated (but equally stupid) things happen.

Don't get scared of condo living.  It's great not to have a yard or to have to mow grass.  It's costly, though, and you're limited.  If you're able to conform and other people don't bother you too much, it'll be fine.

This is the bottom line, and its true.  You have to put the community first, because everything outside your front door is "community property" and the association's job is to make sure that you don't mess it up.