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The past 2 weeks Cassel has put up some crazy numbers and has shown that he is a starting QB in this league. Last week vs. the Jets he had 400 yards, 3 TD's, and 65 rushing yards with no INT.   This week vs. Miami he has put up 415 yards, 3 TD's, 1 INT and had 14 rushing yards with a rushing TD.

I dont know who he will go to.  I know the Pats are not going to offer him the money that he can get if he goes to another team.  I think he will be a backup QB for another team next year.

i dunno, but I won't be happy if his is farve replacement.  anywhere but there. 

Detroit may throw some big bucks at him.  Culpepper was awful today.  I can also see him ending up in San Fran.

He better not go anywhere else unless he wants to commit career suicide.  Take whatever they pay you, win and hold your clip board.

I really doubt he would be satisfied with backup money, holding a clip board and watching Brady.  I really doubt Bledsoe cherishes his SB ring. 

Tom Brady's career might be over already. He was still hurt in the beginning of the year from an injury the previous season. It was blatantly obvious before his other leg got shredded into swiss cheese. 

Hmmm...Here's the teams who need help at QB...

Detroit
San Fran
Houston
KC?
St. Louis
Minnesota

And possibly the Jets after next year's Favre soap opera...and I'm SURE there will be one.

I think San Fran or Minnesota would be the best fit.

However, D_B has a point too.

  He'll wind up in San Francisco.

That would be incorrect, he did have an ankle injury to start the season but it was the OTHER ankle from the one he had an injury with in the super bowl

Bulger got knocked in the head again today, so add the Rams to the "help us we really really need a starting QB" list of teams.

I don't know, but I hope that it's not Miami.

Who told you that, Bill Belichik? We all know he is a man of his word when it comes to the injury report........  ::)

The Lions have Drew Stanton on the bench. Second pick in the second round last year. He was drafted with an injury and spent his rookie season on IR. He hasn't seen much time and was promptly laid out with a concussion today when subbed in for Culpepper.

Not ideal, but I don't think the Lions are going to pull the trigger on a one-season performer who had (has) some of the best talent in the league around him.

He's gonna get a big signing Bonus somewhere. Something tells me he is Seattlebound. Mark this thread.  ;)

I think the 49ers are a possibility, though Shaun Hill has looked pretty decent in 2 starts since replacing O'Sullivan. Cassel sure has looked impressive the last couple of weeks, but I'd like to see how he sustains it before I say I want my favorite team to lay a huge contract on him.

I think that Cassel may end up in Philadelphia next season.

^^

Good call....Seattle is another one.

Whoever it is will have to bring the bucks.  Maybe Cleveland will have a 40-man roster to have three QBs making an average of 7 million a year.  Of these teams mentioned, who has cap space?

BUMP

Now this question looms largely for the Pats front office.  Tom Brady's knee rehab has suffered some major setbacks, and he may not be ready for 2009.  What do you do here?  Do you put the franchise tag on Matt Cassel and guarantee him upwards of $14 million next season?  Do you try to sign him to a smaller deal?  Do you let him walk as an FA and try your luck in the draft?

I am in the minority among Patriots fans, but here is what I do.  Sign him to a 6 year deal and trade Brady for some other teams entire draft. 

He's going to the Bucs...Garcia is done there...they aren't sold on McCown...Griese sucks donkey balls...that leaves Josh Johson?  Don't think so...I will say that Cassel will fail as a Buc..but that's where I think he's going.

This is a great idea...except no one is going to pay an entire draft for a 32 year old QB who is experiencing complications on recovery from extremely serious knee surgeries (note the pluralization).

This falls right in with some 'Phins fans last year wanting to trade Jason Taylor for a pair of first rounders. ;)

Actually, he might not suck as bad as you think as a Buc.  Tampa's got some serious talent on offense that he could work with.  He's got a better arm than Garcia. 

^  I agree...Bryant is a beast...Stevens is playing well...but neither of them are Randy Moss, arguable the greatest WR in NFL history (notice I said arguably...we don't need another Randy Moss/Jerry Rice flame war) or a Wes Welker to compliment that...that's why I think he will fail there...that and Gruden ruins QBs careers....that is if Gruden is around next year.

I'd franchise Cassel if a better deal (from New England's perspective) couldn't be worked out.

Yeah, he's probably not worth it in terms of abilities, but as a 1-year insurance deal, it'd be worth it.

I don't know if New England has the cap space to make that deal work.  If they franchise him, he's guaranteed $14 million MINIMUM.  If another team signs him, they have to give the Pats two first round picks. 

the best thing the pats could do for the rest of the NFL is to franchise cassel and blow that money on QB #2 while still paying brady .. brady-money ..

dishing out almost $30 mil in cap space for the QB position rules !

I trade Brady and re-sign Cassel. I don't ask for the moon for Brady.

You may not get much for Brady due to uncertainty about his knee, but I don't see how you do anything but gain from doing this. You already have a Qb in place who's proven to be a competent, if not excellent, replacement, and you stand to gain a draft pick!

What's the big loss? Maybe fan appreciation for what Brady's done, but I bet they'd get over it pretty quickly if Cassel starts out as hot next year as he's finishing this year.

This year, Cassel is finishing off the season by missing the playoffs. Last year, Brady finished the season by capping a 16-0 record and setting a number of NFL offensive records.

Nothing against Cassel, because I would love to see him in SF...but he hasn't done nearly as well as Brady has, nor is he likely to in the future, imo.

I would demand the moon.  But take it in conditionals.  That way if Brady is healthy Pats get full value in return.  If it turns out Brady isn't healthy Pats don't receive much more than cap space relief. 

Matt Cassel will turn into the next AJ Feeley

Remember how he looked so good with Philly that one year?  It was because of the talent around him.  Then, he moved to a less talented team and what happened?  He fell apart.

Cassel is the same, only he looks ten times better because the 2008 Patriots had so much more talent than then 2002 Eagles on offense.

I think he will be in New England next year (franchise tag) God Brady's knee just wont heal????????

J E T S

A "source" has told espn that Cassel will be slapped with a franchise tag.
I did not think the Patriots would let him go.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809444

perfect !

now they're overspending for the QB position .. they're taking a HUGE cap hit from bother their QBs .. and they aren't developing any young arms

absolutely awesome :)

Um, they have Kevin O'Connell who will be a second year man (he started the year as No. 3 and when Brady went down and Cassel moved to starter, he was bumped to backup)

Kevin O'Connell is a guy that both Philly and myself...and a few others, I believe, were really high on this guy as a late round developmental QB for Miami, if they didn't go QB early (like they eventually did with Henne). I think he's going to be a good one if allowed to develop properly.

Throwing an unquotable source into the mix here I thought I read.....Brady is set to count for $15M, A franchise tage would put Cassell at $14M, the cap for next season is set at $123M leaving $93M for the rest of the roster.....

I don't think Belichick is going to be sentimental, I think the front office will be, Brady is the face of the franchise.

I think they franchise Cassell and dangle Brady to see what's on offer for him.  If Cassell had started the season the way he finished it, Pats would have made the playoffs give or take an injury or two.

I don't see BB paying for both to the tune of $28.5 M.  That is a lot for one position.

1. If Brady is not going to be able to play this year, but wants to return to NE I could see them restructuring his deal and tagging or signing MC for one year.

2. If Brady is healthy enough to play, one of them will be traded. MC is less of a risk than anyone you could draft, notwithstanding the AJ Feely comments. Still better than Ryan Leaf. 

3. Brady could retire and Patriots could sign Cassel long term.     

Brady will be back. Cassel will be traded for some good draft picks! (if Brady is healthy)

You're kidding, right?

Feeley's year prior to coming to the Dolphins:

75 QB rating, 1,011 yards, 6 TDs, 5 ints.

Cassell this year:

89 QB rating, 3,693 yards, 21 TDs, 11 ints.  That's not to mention the 270 yards rushing and two more rushing TDs.

Nice try, not even close.  No offense but I can't stand it when people hate just to hate.  Feeley is / was / always will be a career back up that no one should have ever attempted to make a starting QB out of.  Cassell is a kid with all the tools in the world to be a franchise QB. 

The only reason people toss out comments like this one is because he plays for the Pats. 

I believe Matt Cassel would not perform anywhere near as good on a team like the Detroit Lions or Oakland Raiders. 


I edited your post a little Dolphins4life.  I hope you don't mind.

Neither would Tom Brady, Joe Montana or John Elway... Aside from maybe WR, no position is more dependent on their supporting cast than QB.

I think Cassell automatically upgrades the Detroit Lions.  They have weapons on the offensive side of the ball.  I also think he upgrades Oakland, who also has the ability to put up numbers.

I will mention some teams that Cassell instantly makes into a deep playoff threat:  Seattle, Minnesota, NY Jets, Chicago, and Tampa Bay.

Each one of those teams is missing a few pieces, the largest of which is a big arm behind center that makes good decisions.  Matt Cassell on any one of those teams turns them instantly from middle of the pack teams to deep playoff threats.

Scott Mitchell?

I think you might be remember this guy a bit more fondly than his success really was in Mia.  He went 3-4.  That is a losing record.  And the Dolphins fell apart that year squandering a 9-2 season start and ending 9-7.   

Cassel has a winning record in NE.

SM also took the Lions to the playoffs twice.  He really wasn't all that great for the Dolphins nor too horrible for the Lions. 

He might've gone 3-4, but he put up some gaudy numbers.  The problem in 1993 was the defense. 

Scott Mitchell fell apart in Detroit?  He was pretty good in 1995 (59.3% 4338 yds 32 TD 12 int 92.3 rating), which happened to be Barry Sanders "worse" season during his (Mitchell's) 4 seasons as a starter.  Moore and Perriman combined for 231 catches, over 3100 yards and 25 TDs that season.

I'd hardly call Mitchell's 1993 numbers "gaudy" (57%, 1773 yds, 12 TD, 8 int, 84.2 rating), but of course, I don't consider his '95 numbers to be falling about either.

Agreed.

I believe this explains why so many great college QBs from perennial powerhouse teams flop in the pros. 

Cassell > Hasselbeck?  I'm not so sure.

The Jets may be in dire need of a QB.  I hate to see the Pats pick up any draft picks, but I wouldn't mind the Jets throwing away a few more for a QB.

I would agree on Maine's assessment of every team, except Seattle as well.  Seattle's problem wasn't Hasselbeck's performance.... it was  Hasselbeck's inability to stay healthy, not to mention a few other key players on offense being unable to stay healthy as well. 

Cassel had a winning record and did a great job but the O was still pretty solid with two stud receivers.  How bad was the O-line hit?  How they got Sammy Morris to produce was beyond me.  The defense still has some monsters too.  Everybody must be chewing roids with Harrison or something. 

I think it's reasonable that you have players taking pay cuts to keep Cassell...Pats seem good at doing that.  It's reasonable but I think he'll get traded.

Matt Cassel if the PATS dont franchise him , may end up in  probably backing up Jay cutler in denver.  I couls see  Daniels prying him away from Bellycheat.

Unless signed and traded, I don't think Cassel is going to go to any new team without some assurance that he'll get a chance to start.

Why would any team pay him the kind of money he will get without giving him a chance to start?

Or draft picks for that matter.  Keep in mind he's got the franchise tag, meaning that any team that signs him has to give the Pats two first round picks.

I agree...my post was in response to the "backing up Cutler" comment above it.