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Cam is having success as an O-coordinator again.  Is he done as a head coach?

I voted the second choice. I think that some team will offer him another HC job...maybe in 3 seasons. And, he'll do exactly what he did in Miami.

Jesus, if Norv Turner can keep getting HC gigs, surely Cameron will get one more shot somewhere...

I agree..Look at Wade Phillips. Another good example.

...And don't call me Shirley.  ;)

Norv Turner doesn't lose teams the way Cam Cameron lost the Miami Dolphins. 

I think it's more than likely....Dennis Erickson and Dave Wannstedt Had two jobs,and Even Mike Mularkey is getting his name batted around as a Head coach...Al Groh, and Pete Carroll made it in College...

He will probably get a second chance, if he wants it. 

While some retreads still suck the second time (Herm Edwards) the person who is generally viewed as the best HC currently in the NFL got fired from Cleveland after going 36-44.  There is some reasons to believe that HC can be better the second time around.

If Cam is successful as an OC and can articulate to another owner why the Dolphins were not successful and what he needed to do differently in his next HC coach, I don't see why he wouldn't get another bite at the apple.  And if in fact he learned enough from last season he might even be a good one. 

I am not sure Cameron will find a way to cheat like Belichik did.

I think he'll be back as a head coach some day. I am not very optimistic about how well he'll do when that time comes, however.

I don't think so. The stench of 1-15 is really tough to overcome (and don't you dare compare Camoron to Jimmy Johnson). It's well beyond being 1-15. In 1 season with Miami, he drafted absolutely atrociously (taking a mediocre kick returner 9th overall cannot be over-stated), and he was completely out of touch and out of control (very bad) with his team. A first year coach, midway through his very first season, was completely out of command and control of his team, and the players already completely had no respect for him. That's VERY bad, and owners / GMs are very well aware of this.

If Cameron can completely make over Baltimore's offense, then his time will come sooner rather than later.


Part of me wants to agree, but I try not to ever underestimate a human being's ability to learn, adapt and change. If Cam approaches the next job with another "fail forward fast" mentality, then he'll never have success as a HC. He is a damned intelligent person though, so maybe the smack in the face that was his Miami experience can flip the right switches and make him a better coach.

If I had to drop a dollar on it though, my george says that Cam will never be a successful HC in the NFL.

I said it once and I'll say it again. Forgetting about the Quinn vs Ginn argument for a second, it doesn't matter if Ginn or Quinn turnout successful. the fact is when the Fins got a Top ten pick and we are in desperate need of a QB you do not take a Punt returner/reciever.  After that he made several more mistakes over and over including trading his best reciever in Chris Chambers mid season.  That signaled to the team to just give up which they did. Why not keep Chambers and take something you need like a QB to actually throw the ball . And John Beck............Fucking OUCH. 

He is done like a piece of burnt Toast. He might be under the hood, but no one will trust him with the keys to the ferrari again. Never.  Although I would love it if the jets , Bills, or Pats proved me wrong and took a chance on him again!  He is the Rich Kotite of the new Millenium! ;D look at Dave Wannabe..........After the Bears who thought anyone would take a chance on his sad ass again?  We actually gave him an extention! ::)

1) Drafts are laid at the foot of the GM.  Cameron had input, but it wasn't his call to make.
2) Here is the aforementioned draft class:

1st/9- Ted Ginn
2nd/40- John Beck
2nd/60- Samson Satele
3rd/71- Lorenzo Booker
4th/108- Paul Soliai
6th/181- Reagan Mauia
6th/199- Drew Mormino
7th/219- Kelvin Smith
7th/225- Brandon Fields
7th/238- Abraham Wright

Satele and Fields are unquestionably solid picks.  Soliai was given a 4-year contract by Parcells, so that pick seems to be solid as well.  Booker was drafted with a 3rd and traded for a 4th, so that pick was marginal.  Mauia, Mormino, Smith, and Wright are the only unqualified busts, but how much can you expect from 6th and 7th round players?

The unknown picks are Ginn and Beck.  Ginn is still arguably the best WR on the team (he has clearly been the designated #1 WR by this regime), and Parcells chose to keep Beck around instead of McCown, so you can't exactly call those two picks complete busts (yet).

I personally think the 2007 draft was pretty damn good.  You can't really evaluate it until we see how well Quinn plays, and so far he didn't exactly look to be lighting the world on fire.  If Quinn ends up anywhere remotely comparable to Beck, then Mueller made a damn good decision not to pick him.

Beck is terrible and Satele isn't that good.  Ginn is ok, but not really that great for a number 9 pick.

Cassel looked like shit his first games, despite being on a really good team that HADN'T given up. Orton looked like shit his first whole season starting, despite being on a good team that HADN'T given up. Drew Brees looked like shit his first season starting, despite being on a good team that HADN'T given up.

Is Beck a good quarterback? Will he ever be a good quarterback?

Hell if I know, but there's just no way you can make that call now. The people (fans) who insist on doing so anyway... well...

Cassels first game, 13/18 for 152 yards w/ a td.  Becks first game, 9/22 for 109 yards. Don't say they are comparable.  Beck played 5 games last year without looking like a professional quarterback.  Cassel will get a huge contract this offseason, Beck wouldn't get picked up if he were cut from the Dolphins. 

Did you SEE Cassel's first handful of games? Sure, he racked up some nice numbers against the hapless Chiefs, but he looked COMPLETELY lost. He had absolutely no pocket presence and his decision making was a bit lacking (but his THREE YEARS on the bench probably helped that aspect tremendously).

He looked REALLY bad against us, the 49ers and the Chargers. At this point fans were screaming for Belicheck to bring in some retread veteran like local-favorite Culpepper.

John Beck through 5 games:
60/107 (56.1%), 559yds, 1 TD, 3 INT, 62.0 rating

Brady Quinn through 4 games:
48/97 (49.5%), 563yds, 2 TD, 2 INT, 65.8 rating

So Beck was playing for a 1-15 team and was picked 31 spots later than we could have picked Quinn.  But instead, we should have gotten a QB with a rating that is almost (but not quite!) 4 points higher.  After sitting for his first season.

The jury is still out on Quinn (and Beck, for that matter).  But there is no reason to believe that Quinn was some sort of gamechanger.

Brady Quinn 0 fumbles, John Beck 7. lol.

How dare you introduce statistics that don't support their point!!

;)

John Beck was sacked 10 times, Brady Quinn was sacked once.  Do you think this statistic (and the correlated fumble statistic) might have to do with the facts that:

1) one of them was actually playing during his rookie season, while the other was comfortably riding the pine?
2) one of them played for a far worse team than the other?

Also left unmentioned is that how, despite taking 9 less sacks than Beck, Brady Quinn is already out for the season with an injury.  Are we going to discuss durability as well?

Are you going to claim now that all sacks are created equal as support for your durability contention?

Are you now going to claim that all of the sacks that John Beck suffered should be blamed on his subpar O-line? Or do you think that maybe, just maybe, part of that was due to Beck's tendency to dance in place like Fred Astaire in the pocket while screaming "OH MY GOD, HERE COMES A TRUCK!!"

Quinn is a better QB than Beck... This is not based by comparing limited statistics and applying credence to whichever individual stat supports my argument the most. This is me watching both QBs in college and in the NFL and stating the opinion gained by firsthand viewing.