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Big Ten record in bowls this year: 1-6
ACC record in bowls this year: 4-6

Meanwhile, MWC record in bowls this year: 4-1

The BCS system is a sham.  College football desperately needs a playoff.

And the Pac-10?

Yessir... 5-0

I think the conference bowl records are misleading. The numbers are given like statistics in a vacuum. It doesn't take into account matchups or anything else.

Only a playoff system would really show the strength or weakness of conferences.

Oo soo true. There were a lot of teams that did not belong in bowls being matched up against teams that did.
Although if Dez Bryant does not get injured Oregon loses. Tough break for Ok St.

Um, this is the point.

Overrated conferences with mediocre teams get bowl entries on name recognition.  They summarily get punched in the mouth by a superior team from a mid-major conference.  (see: Utah vs. Alabama)

Easy there.  Alabama did not have a bad season.  They had a really ferocious defense and smash mouth running backs.  Trouble is, they didn't care about the Sugar Bowl once they lost the SEC Championship. 

If you think for a second the problem was motivation and not that Utah was heads and shoulders a better football team (ie. Alabama got completely out coached among other things) than you were not watching the same game that I was.

Lack of motivation can lead to unpreparedness and being outcoached.

I hate the Big 10

Tommy, its hardly arguable. That team was not even in the same league as Utah. It wasn't an any given Saturday type thing, its EVERY given Saturday.

Those teams play ten times, and they get dominated every time. Utah looked that good.

Hardly arguable?  Then why is nearly every major sportscaster I've been listening to the past few days arguing the fact?  The Alabama team that played in the Sugar Bowl was not the same team that destroyed Clemson and Georgia.  There is no way Utah beats that Alabama team, let alone dominates them. 

Big 10 is a solid conference, but they just were matched up against better teams. Only Iowa played a team they should've defeated. I was actually shocked OSU nearly beat Texas, figured it would be a 63-9 massacre with Texas claiming they are National Champs. That will obviously not be the case now.

Penn State's one major weakness was their secondary and it was exploited to the fullest. They are an excellent team, but you can't have a secondary THAT AWFUL and expect to be a Top 5 team.

IMO, Utah is National Champions and I can share that with whoever wins the BCS game, as both Oklahoma and Florida are awesome.

Because every major sportscaster is on ESPN. ESPN is a entertainment network, not a sports network.

The SEC this year is not what it was in year's past.

If you think Alabama got stomped out because they weren't "pumped" to play a BCS game on national television than there is no reasoning with you.

Did you watch the game or just the highlights?

I watched the game.... and I saw an Alabama team that clearly seemed not to care.   And as for what you're saying about "major sportscasters" on ESPN, you're dead wrong if you think that's who I've been listening to.  I've spent the past five days in the Northeast, and I listened to 660 WFAN New York, and 610 WICP Philadelphia.  These are about as far from ESPN as you can get.

So if I understand correctly:

If the major conference team loses to the undefeated mid-major team, it's because they were demoralized due to being out of the championship game.

HOWEVER

If the major conference team beats the undefeated mid-major team, it's NOT because the mid-major team was demoralized due to being out of the championship game.  No, it's because the mid-major team was a fraud and never deserved to be there.  Right?

Funny how I didn't hear you playing the "lack of motivation" card after undefeated Hawaii got stomped out by Georgia in last year's Sugar Bowl...

Hawaii-Georgia last season has absolutely nothing to do with this.  Neither do mid majors vs major conferences.  Like I said earlier.... the Alabama team that showed up for the Sugar Bowl was not the same one that took Georgia to the woodshed.  No way Utah beats that team. 

If Alabama can't "motivate themselves" when playing against an undefeated team from a supposedly-inferior conference (a team that could have a legitimate claim at a split national championship if they win) in a nationally-televised top-tier bowl game, then Alabama sucks.  Period.  They are a bunch of spineless frontrunners (but then again, I guess a team takes on the personality of their coach, right?).

Stop making excuses.

Georgia is crap this year along with most of the SEC. I find it hard to base anything off this.

Utah is cut and dry a much better team than Alabama. We keep pushing these conferences that were dominate the year before without reevaluating anything. It's the same reason USC was #1 to start off the season for a few years in a row, and people got pissed and said the Pac sucks. None of these SEC teams get a pass this year, they are not the best conference in the ncaa anymore.

^^^ If there were an 8-team college playoffs that started tomorrow, USC would be the national champs when it was done.  In regards to the Pac-10 strength currently...their undefeated record in bowl games this year is pretty convincing.

We can both agree USC has a arguement here at the end of the season. But that offense was riff-raff in the first couple of games.

Pac-10 5-0
SEC 6-2
Big East 4-2
USA 4-2
Big-12 4-3
MWC 3-2
Sun Belt 1-1
ACC 4-6
WAC 1-4
Big-10 1-6
MAC 0-5


Except for the MWC and Sun Belt conferences, It really doesn't look much different than last year.
Sun Belt 1-0
MWC 4-1
SEC 7-2
Pac-10 4-2
Big-12 5-3
Big East 3-2
Big-10 3-5
USA 2-4
ACC 2-6
WAC 1-3
MAC 0-3

  Have to call BS on this one.  The SEC does not need a pass. 

First off.  Whats up with Ga?  They go 10-3 & win their bowl game.

Second The SEC went 6-2 in the bowl games & won the National title.  What else do they need to do?  Sure another one team might be better overall, but The SEC is hands down the best conference in the NCAA from top to bottom.  I cannot believe anyone is even making the comment that it isn't.   However, I will ask.  What conference is better?

 Utah beating Bama is not a indicator of the league.   So Utah won a game, but if they want to be taken more serious then when you play in what is generally considered a weak conference then schedule some tough out of conference games. Come to the SEC & play a game or two.   

The thing is.  Any team can get up to win one game.  Come back next week & play another tough team.  Play Bama this week & then play LSU after that.  Then Ga.  Lets see how you do.  There are very few easy weeks in the SEC.

This is true.  If the BCS ran pro-football, NE would have won the AFCE and gotten a first round bye based on last year's record. 

 
I've never understood rankings. 

One:  How can you judge teams before they even step on the field.  Plus majority of people voting on look at the final score when they do play.

Two:  How does the No. 1 team beating the No. 2 team, now make the No. 3 team better than the No. 2 team.

By the same logic, how does PHI beating MIN make them better than ATL, who lost to AZ?  When NE lost to IND in the AFC Championship 2 years ago, why does that make them worse than CHI, who got to play for the NFL title?

That particular kind of problem is always going to be present, even in a bracket playoff.

I do not see a problem there.   I doubt many thought Chicago was better than Indy, but in a playoff bracket you live & die with the draw & how you play.  Plus its an NFC against the AFC in the Super Bowl.

Big 10 is a solid conference they just lack SEC speed.  Speed kills.  I was surprised OSU hung with Texas too--maybe not 63-9 but at least 10 points.


USC is a stud but the Pac-10 sucks--outside chance they would win the playoffs.  Here's a little info on 5-0 in the bowls.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2009/01/02/pac-10-bowl-perfection-what-it-means-not-as-much-as-you-might-think/

USC might be a beast but they play a "home" game in the Rose Bowl every year.  The top of the Big 10 might be weak by comparison to other leagues but Penn State and Ohio State would beat any other Pac-10 team outside USC.

I read the words "in my mind" or "I believe" written by that blogster three times in there. Thanks for tossing out an editorial opinion to support your claim against the Pac-10.

My statement was an accurate one...if there was a playoff, USC would be national champs when it was done. As far as any Pac-10 general bashing goes...5-0 against the other conferences in the games that count. That number is the truth, unencumbered by opinion.

No doubt, they got it done and that's all you can ask.  If the Big Ten went 5-0 I'd be saying the same thing.

As a Big Ten guy, Bowl Season is embarrassing.  It drives me nuts when a Big Ten team loses one game and falls out of the Top 10, especially after losing to a Top 10 team, but with the bowl standings maybe that's the way it should be.   

Utah beat Alabama convincingly and the game was pretty much over by the end of the 1st quarter, where as Florida had to seal the victory against Bama in the 4th quarter. Plus this was a home game for Bama.
I know all you SEC fans are blinded by your love, but not going undefeated in bowls makes it hard to to substantiate that claim. The SEC only has one more victory than the Big 12 does.

If you buy into the BCS computers than you must also agree that the Patriots won the Lombardi in 2007. 

18-1 vs. 14-6, with the teams tieing in head to head.  No question if you fed last years NFL season into the BCS computers the Patriots would have been ranked number one.  Giants might not even make the top 5.   

As long as there is no legitimate playoffs, the BCS title is meaningless.     

QFT.  And it is humanly possible to have an 8-team, or even a 16-team playoff in Division 1A college football.

IMO 16 would be too many and unnecessary.

8 would take three weeks. 

The 6 conf winners from the major conf + 2 wild cards.   If a midmajor goes undefeated they are automatically in.  At least one wild card from the midmajors.  The last wild card can either be another winner of a midmajor conf or the second place finisher of one of the 6 major conf. 

 

What if you have a controversy like Texas Tech, Okla, Texas had this year?  Someone gets the shaft regardless....having said that, with the above playoff scenario, the shaft wouldn't be...how do I say...as thick as the current system.  I agree with an 8 team playoff.

16 teams is too many??  That's what Division 1-AA, Division II and Division III do.  If they can do it, so can Division 1-A.

For me the Texas Tech, Okla, Texas isn't as big of a deal as Utah.  Utah went undefeated, the others would have won the conf if they had won one more game.

I really don't see Texas or Texas tech being left out as any different than NE not being declared the winner of the AFCE this year. 

So you know.  I'm a USC fan.  I live in SEC country, but I picked my college team when I picked my Phins.  In the early '70s.

    Mississippi beat FL.  Who beat Oklahoma, who beat Texas Tech, who beat Texas.  So should Mississippi be No. 1?

  Utah beat Bama.  Who was the No. 4 Ranked team in the country.  Not No. 1 BTW.   Tip your hat to Utah & say "Good game"   FL/Bama play every year.  Little more of a rivalry there & as I said in the post you quoted.  Play Ga. this week, then follow that up with LSU, then onto Bama & see if you have an easy time all three weeks.  Its hard to bring your A game every game against stout competition.   Just ask Utah they struggled to beat TCU by winning with 48 sec. left in the game.  Who got embarrassed by Okla.  Who got beat by FL.   You can play this game till the next blue moon.. 

Who does Utah have to get up for week after week?  Air Force?  Weber St?  Utah St?   Utah would be a 2 or 3 loss team in the SEC.   If Utah wants to be taken seriously.  Play a tougher out of conference schedule or change conferences.  Not knocking them for Michigan, but Weber St.?

FL went 11-1 against bowl teams this year.  Utah?  5-0.  Little difference in strength of schedule.  Would you not agree? 

Also, the Sugar Bowl is in New Orleans, which is in southern Louisiana, so it was not a home game.  It was closer than Utah, but home game implies they play on that field often.

Actually the SEC had two more wins.  6-2 to 4-3.  Why does the SEC have to go unbeaten to stake claim as the best conference in the NCAA?   The best do lose from time to time.  Its one game.   It happens. 

NE was the best team in the NFL in '07, but lost the Super Bowl.  Play that game 10 times & NE probably win 7 or 8 of them.  It took one of the greatest plays in SB history to beat them.