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Should Dolphins unload John Beck?

Ever had a girlfriend or boyfriend who you initially thought you'd really like, might have a future with, but for some reason the chemistry just wasn't there.

For some reason there weren't sparks no matter how hard you tried to make it work. Even though he or she were physically appealing, for one reason your eyes kept wandering to someone else.

John Beck is the Miami Dolphins' crush that never materialized. The former BYU quarterback fizzled in his four starts as an unprepared (yeah I said it) rookie under Cam Cameron.

 Beck followed up his disappointing 2007 campaign with a dismal 2008 training camp. He buckled under the pressure applied by Tony Sparano (that darn QB buzzer) and his regime and squandered his lone opportunity to earn the starting quarterback job before Chad Pennington came on board.

After that the Dolphins became a two Chad (Chad Pennington and rookie Chad Henne) team, and Beck was an afterthought.

But the Dolphins valued his stock so much they traded away veteran quarterback Josh McCown, whom had a better camp, to preserve Beck's trade value. And the two-year vet does still have value. How much is one of many issues the Dolphins will be exploring in the coming days, if not weeks.

The bottom line is the Dolphins like Beck, who is under contract through the 2010 season, but aren't in love with him.

The Trifecta's presently married to Pennington for the short term, and have their hopes set on Henne, the quarterback they drafted last season in the second-round, blossoming into a promising NFL starter in another year or two.

Beck and Henne have the same agent, which means it would benefit all parties to have both young signal callers on separate teams working to become established NFL starters.

But what will it take for the Dolphins to ship their No. 3 quarterback to another team in a year where the draft class at that position is fairly lackluster?

I'm told there are a few NFC teams that still like Beck because they had him rated high on their draft board when he was coming out in 2007.

Considering Beck's shaky start in the NFL, and the fact teams know he's on the market, it's highly unlikely the Dolphins can get anything close to the second-round pick the last regime invested in him.

He's been on the trade market going back to last training camp, and might have been moved for a fourth-round pick. But none was offered.

So, what's the going rate for a 27-year old former second-round pick with four starts under his belt?

NFL teams typically go through plenty of quarterbacks during a given season, so maybe the Dolphins should keep Beck around for insurance?

I'm told by his representative that he's usually better in his second season under the same offense, which means he might be on the verge of having a breakthrough training camp that redeems him.

It might be wise to keep him to push Henne.

Last year this regime unload former FSU tailback Lorenzo Booker, shipping him to Philadelphia on draft day for the fourth-round pick that ultimately turned into disappointing offensive lineman Shawn Murphy.

Could, and should Beck be moved in a similar fashion? And what is Beck worth to you?

Deuces.

> Posted by Omar Kelly at 6:13:40 PM

Damn right they should.  His trade value is at its highest right now, considering the crop of QB's in this draft class is relatively weak. 

 

Unload him like a large dump the day after Thanksgiving.

Make the Ravens take him.  Put your money where your mouth is Cameron!

I expected this to be about cutting him outright. If his trade value is at its highest right now, I would hate to see him with a low trade value.

I think Beck could be just fine, but it's not clear that he's worth much in Miami. In other words, if Parcells/Ireland can swing a deal for a 3rd or 4th rounder, by all means, take it.

LOL! :D

What is his salary compared to the average 3rd string QB?

If it is significantly higher, I can see it being worth a trade, but if not I see no reason to send him off.

  I'm curious as to which NFC teams still have an interest in Beck.  I know the Dolphins have been trying to shop Beck to the Cowboys, but nothing has come of it....  so far.  At this point, I think it's pretty cut and dry that Beck has no future in Miami, and a fresh start elsewhere would probably do him some good.  When you don't have the respect of your teammates from 2007, and the new faces that came in 2008, the chances of establishing yourself are pretty slim.

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What would we think his trade value is right now?  I don't know anyone who'd give anything for him.

I say MAYBE a 5th round pick.  A 6th or 7th rounder is more likely.  Anything higher than 5th is probably out of the question unless you are dealing with a Rick Spielman. 

If someone offers me a 6th rounder going to a 5th rounder depending on how many snaps he plays, I'll take it.

he has some trade value... the way qb's have been dropping like flies in this league in recent years is ridiculous. best case scenario would be to have him do well in camp, perform good in the pre-season games and trade him for a 2010 pick (4th rounder at best) to a team wanting to develop him.

for god's sake, ken dorsey started some games last year. culpepper basically came in off of the street for the lions.

If he does well in camp and pre-season games then maybe the Dolphins should just hold on to him.

Gut feeling tells me he's not going to do well in camp.

No, hate for Cam Cameron tells you he's not going to do well in camp ::)

Then tell me why he supposedly looked good in the 2007 preseason, then looked like shit in the 2008 preseason?

He couldn't cope with the incredible pressure? (the 3s buzzer is just a single example).

That's not a good thing, of course, but you never know - he might've dug deep and figured out what he needs to work at. If he's done that this past year, he might surprise.

I was just responding to the post that says qb's are dropping like flies and then says that they should trade Beck if he does well.  If qb's are dropping like flies and he does well, then shouldn't they keep him as a back up?  Or would that make too much sense?

He might be worth more to another team. We already have a young stud and a veteran (in some yet-to-be-determined depth chart). If we really want a 3rd quarterback (not a given), there are plenty minimum-wage quarterbacks. You could draft a 7th rounder "project" type or even go after Joey Harrington (!). He's a free agent and should come cheap.

henne is already the backup qb for the fins. beck is the odd man out, and since we already have a qb younger than him higher on the depth chart, he has no future here. best case, we want beck to do well in pre-season to get a better value draft pick via trade for 2010.

So we only go with 2 qb's when "qb's are dropping like flies"?  I am finding serious flaws in the "let's hope John Beck does well so we can trade him" theory.

Personally, I don't care if he stays or goes.

  I see a Beck/Bobby Carpenter trade in the month of March.  Dallas needs a young backup & Miami needs a LBer.  Neither have high trade value, so its basically a bust for a bust trade.

i never said you only go with 2 qbs... and actually you have it backwards, it's really "we're going to trade beck, so let's give him some opportunities and hope he does well".

all anyone has to go off now are the keystone cops highlights from that giants game in london. probably sixth round at best... if he shows some things in the pre-season its not so far fetched that a team with little depth at the qb position sweetens the deal.

3rd qb is probably going to be some very cheap veteran basically for emergency purposes.

If someone offers Miami a bag of doritos for John Beck, I say we take the snacks and run...

And if he gets x number of snaps, it's a conditional pick of spicy salsa!

I'm with you. I can't believe anyone thinks he has any trade value. The Wanny/Spileman era is over and they are about the only ones I know willing to give up anything of value for a third string QB.

Its not that he is 3rd string.  He is young enough Qb who can be groomed.  Everyone talks about what a horrible coach Cam was & everyone knows the situation they put Beck into the games with.   His confidence is/was shot.

I still think he can be a quality Qb given time.  Sage was once considered a nothing & he is one of the best backup Qbs in the game right now.  Might even have starter ability in him.  So discard Beck as a nothing would be wrong.  There was a reason they kept him on the roster last year.

Starter ability for Sage??  Here's a couple of examples of what happened when he was the starter (had to do some gravedigging):

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=7274.0

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=12550.0

because in 2007 preseason you loved Cam Cameron and in the 2008 preseason you hated Cam Cameron. 

People see what they want to see.

  Yes starter ability, Minn. was/still might be interested in Sage as a starter. 

Thread 1:  The Browns game was in '05.  This is now '09.  Growth of a player. That was also the game the whole team failed to show up.  Gus fared no better.

Thread 2.  Sage went 2-3 as a starter for Houston this past year.  His loses?  To Indy & Balt.   A string of bad plays does not change the fact he had them in the lead & I might take a wild guess Sage will never try to jump over someone again.

Luckily for you that is your one true gift. Well, that and being hopelessly myopic.

Rosenfel's rating the past 4 seasons:
81.5
103.0
84.8
79.5

In 3 seasons/19 games with Houston his rating is 84.3.  Prior to Pennington in '08, only one Dolphin QB had exceeded that since 1997 (Fiedler in '02).

Miami's passer ratings the last 13 seasons:
1996   Dan Marino   87.8
1996   Craig Erickson   86.3
1997   Dan Marino   80.7
1998   Dan Marino   80.0
1999   Dan Marino   68.9
2000   Jay Fiedler   74.5
2001   Jay Fiedler   80.3
2002   Jay Fiedler   85.2
2002   Ray Lucas      69.9
2003   Jay Fiedler   72.4
2003   Brian Griese   69.2
2004   Jay Fiedler   67.1
2004   AJ Feeley   61.7
2004   Sage Rosenfels   41.0
2005   Sage Rosenfels   81.5
2005   Gus Frerotte   71.9
2006   Cleo Lemon   77.6
2006   D Culpepper   77.0
2006   Joey Harrington   68.2
2007   Trent Green   72.6
2007   Cleo Lemon   71.0
2007   John Beck 62.0
2008   Pennington 96.4