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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Mcnair#Death

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/04/mcnair.shooting/index.html

It appears he and a female companion were shot to death in Nashville, Tenn. He is survived by a wife and four children. It tears at my heart.

God rest his soul and all the souls of the faithful departed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530066,00.html


RIP, Steve. He was a class act, and one of the toughest QBs ever to play the game. One of my favorites too. I hope they get the bum who did this.

Didnt realize SCFinfan had already started this thread in Off Topic.

Shocked to hear the news about McNair...he was definitely a class act as a football player, and I hope his family can find some peace.

Wow wonder how this is going to work out?

Wow.

This has got to be the shittest month for celebs in a longgggg time. What a tragic end to a Great player. This should get real interesting....... :|

It's cool. I only posted links, while you posted actual text from the story. Let's merge the threads!

He was a Pretty Upstanding guy, I'd be surprised if he did anything that brought this on. Probably just a robbery gone Bad. What a tragic end to such a great player and gentleman.

Man, oh, man.....I hated seeing that this had happened.  From what I can tell over the years of watching him, I definitely agree with others here that he seemed like a solid guy.  I can still remember when he got drafted out of Alcorn State way back in '95. *sigh* RIP, Steve

I am absolutely shocked. RIP Steve, a Titan amongst men.

I hope they catch the POS.

This was one tough dude. I had him for like 3 seasons in a row in Fantasy, and every single week he was a game-time decision with some injury, and it never was the same week-to-week. He was a professional quarterback who could lead a team, regardless of how big the moment was (remember he basically led the Titans on the winning super bowl drive - if that dude could have stretched out a bit more, he would have won the SB).

wow murder/suicide....crazy!!

you sir, are ded wrong.  that would not have won the game for them

Damn, didn't know the exact details when I first posted. I echo 'Stroke's sentiment, I hope his family can find some peace.

It would have tied the game, at the very least, and potentially have won it if they went for 2.  The final score was 23-16. 

But that's not his point.  He was speaking towards McNair's poise under the MOST pressured situations.

On the comments in SB XXXIV:

If the Titans had scored, it probably would have been to their advantage to kick the PAT.  In OT, if they had won the toss, they would have been facing an exhausted Rams defense, and if they had lost it, they would have been facing a Rams offense whom they had shut down the entire second half with the exception of the one play scoring drive. 

On Steve McNair:

RIP.  I loved watching you play and consider myself fortunate to have been able to see you in action.  Even though I remember you lighting up my beloved Dolphins a couple of times, you exemplified courage, toughness, and talent on a football field.  You will be missed. 

They're calling it a Homicide still at this point, I'll wait until the autopsy comes out and see what they say though.

WTF?! I come home after having spent the weekend with family (and no Internet, cell, TV, radio or anything) and Steve McNair has been freakin' murdered?

Holy crap. That's... shocking... I'm... I don't know, you just don't expect that kind of stuff.

He had such a clean rep, no problems in the news and now it seems he could have had a little 'action' going on and she may have flipped out. Women are crazy*, and when you're a celeb, they are even worse.



*women on this board not included in generic, all-encompassing, stereotyping comment just made  :)

From a story on CNN I read earlier, the wife isn't a suspect, it was strongly suggesting murder-suicide.

What else would it be?  You  don't think two people accidently got shot do you?   ::)

Um, the wife went nuts? That's why I said that the wife isn't a suspect

Hmm anyone else suspect an ex Boy friend...4 shots to Steve,one to her....

I've heard it may have been an honor killing by an angry family member.

Honor Killing?  I've heard of a mercy killing, but not an honor killing. 

I love Steve McNair and all the toughness he brought to the game. After we recongnize his accomplishments on the field, the fact remains he was fooling around on his wife. Know his widow must raise 4 boys without a strong male figure around.

This has all the makings of a young lady who gotten tired of broken promises and was tired of playing second fiddle and killed mcnair and then turned the gun on herself. Know woman is worth my family. Steve you did alot for erasing the sterotype that african-americans couldn't play the QB position in the NFL. You came from a small black college (Alcorn st),but you screwed  your wife and your family. Somehow that will be lost as honor his career, but it's the wife and the kids who are really suffering and need the support. RIP STEVE.

Doesn't matter if it was the local girl scout who was pissed about not getting paid for her cookies. An autopsy ain't gonna change it from a Homicide. Someone killed them.........


Its looking more and more like his girlfriend was a crazy bitch. He took four bullets sitting in a chair and she had one , and was found with the gun under her.  I bet alot of NFL players are looking at the women in their lives a bit differently tonight.  ::)

It certainly looks like the girlfriend shot him, she's only got one bullet in her and she supposedly fell on the gun which is a likely indicator of suicide after shooting him, but like I said there's no autopsy on her yet so until they determine which angle she got shot from we won't know. 

We don't know what?   No one is gonna jump on you if you just admit it looks like a Murder suicide. Let it go Bro. What are you holding out for? Hoping that it turns out to be some evil plot put together by a deranged Colts fan so you can prance around saying.......I knew it! I knew it! Look at how smart I am!   ::)

Its a Murder suicide.  Sad but true. Chick saw the McNair money train coming to a halt and she flipped. deal with it.

Easy there Defense.  You're the one flying off the handle.  BigDaddyFin is right.  Although it does look like a murder/suicide, we can't be CERTAIN until forensics completes its analysis and an autopsy is done on her. 

I hope this makes other athletes think twice before they decide to step out on their wives.

Just saw on the news that the girl had bought the gun two days earlier according to the girl's nephew.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-mcnairkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns

Duh.     No big revalation there.  But I'll wait to discuss it further until the "official" word is in if makes ya all feel better........ ::)

Something smells fishy about this.  I think McNair's wife knew the affair was going on, and possibly allowed it for some reason.  I haven't heard any reports that she was shocked by the incident, and according to reports, he was at the apartment several times a week.  How do you explain that to your wife?

She definitely knew about something going on. But when you have 4 kids and live in a 14,000 square foot home you tend to let "boys be boys" as long as he comes home.  Doesn't mean anything fishy was going on . So many people are going to create theories and try to spin this because it makes it more interesting to sell.   In fact the reason he was probably shot in the first place was because he was going to call it off and wanted the Cadillac Escalade back.  Her facebook pics show her proudly displaying that car.......a huge status symbol for a 20 yr old girl.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DN&Dato=20090705&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=710006&Ref=PH

You all can more of this if you want, but it is what it is.  He gave a ball to a dog that didn't want to give it back.  This dog didn't play.  Its a sad tragic end to a Great player and probably a good dad. He didn't deserve to die for banging a piece of Young strange, but he probably shouldn't have spoiled her and led her on either.

And let the Fun begin:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9777174/Don't-be-so-quick-to-make-McNair-a-hero


 :|

I'm going to agree with GoCowboys here.  I hope other rich pro athletes look at McNair's situation and think twice before stepping out on their wives.  You never really know who you're dating.

Even in comic books a lot of the super heros have serious flaws.

I see the moral patrol is out in full force.

No surprise there.

Bottom line is, we don't know the circumstances of McNair's private affairs. We don't know a thing about his relationship with his wife, for example. There are certainly indications that the two could very well have been separated (house up for sale, Steve McNair taking the kids on vacation to Mexico without the mother). Who the hell are we to judge him and say that he "stepped out" etc? Doesn't seem like he was "sneaking around" - and even if he were, I'm not sure I see how that's any of our business.

I don't think he was sneeking about. If so he's about as subtle as Paris Hilton in a Mens Locker Room.  But he picked the wrong chick to Spoil with gifts for some Oinky oinky  and then try to take it away............ :P

They still haven't ruled her death a suicide. 

One possiblity is it was suicide and the cops are just going slow.....

The other is their was a third person, who shot McNair 4 times and her once in the side of the head at close range and left the gun next to her to make it look like a suicide.

The splatter patterns and gun powder residue should tell the police if she fired the gun or was just made to look like it. 

If it was the suicide the cops have nothing to gain by delaying saying so...if it was a murder the could be holding off to keep the murderer talking.  You don't have to marada someone unless they are arrested or charged and as long as the murderer thinks he is getting away with it he/she will keep talking not to raise suspicions of wanting a lawyer and act like a coopertive witness.   

Whatever the circumstances of this case, it's gotta be pretty horrific for his children. I hope they have a responsible adult to turn to in their time of grieving.

^ for example, their mother

^^ assumes that she is not the murderer or hired someone to kill her husband and his lover. 

Unless or until there is evidence that she is involved, I will choose to believe that she was not.

It's being reported now that it was indeed a murder/suicide.  Men, watch who you fool around with and who you lie to.  McNair is as much to blame for this as his girlfriend.  I am not saying he deserved to die, but he knew what he was doing.  Women, take care of yourselves and your own business so you don't have to rely on a man to keep you. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090708/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_mcnair_killed_82

WTF?!

Ditto.  WTF are you talking about StL?

I am talking about him leading on an impressionable young girl and making promises to her he knew he would not keep.  Besides cheating on his wife.  I said before I don't think he deserved to die, however, he chose to cheat and he chose to lie.  Actions have consequences and he paid the highest possible price.  Everyone wants to believe she was just some crazy bitch, but we don't know any of the people involved so it was probably way more complicated than that.

We don't know if he did either of this things. She could have thrown herself at him.  And he may not have promised her a thing.  She may have thought she would lure him away from his wife, but he may have never even suggested that was a possiblity.   He is a famous QB and she is a nut job.  She might have decided to seduce him while watching him on TV and then stalked him.  It happens.


That he is responsible for.

Clearly, you have a lot of inside knowledge.

Even in a hypothetical situation where such were the case, for you to say that the guy who gets MURDERED is "just as much to blame for this as his girlfriend" is... NUTS. Completely and utterly, far out, bonkers.

Even this is really not something we know jack shit about. Ignoring the religious aspect of "marriage till death", we have no idea what Steve McNair's relationship with his wife was. Were they separated? The vacation alone with the kids in Mexico and their house being up for sale certainly make that plausible. The wife could even have kicked him out, for all we know. Sure, he could also have experienced something of a mid-life crisis as his football career ended and hooked up with a young girl.

See, you are labeling me nuts because you don't agree with me.  Exactly my point.

Uhmm.... I'm not even sure where to start here...

Saying that a person getting MURDERED, even if that person led another person on, is "just as much to blame" as the murdering "significant other" is ludicrous. I make no bones about that.

What your point is, well, that totally escapes me.

Well then we will just have to agree to disagree because I am tired of trying to explain it to you.

I'm hesitant to even venture close to this particular hornets nest, but how is what you're saying different than saying that a girl getting raped by a guy she led on is just as much to blame as he is?

I am gonna choose "you are a nut" option.  

McNair is not just as responsible as the murderer.  

Just because I am a woman and you don't understand my point of view does not make me a nut.

Your being a women doesn't make you a nut.

Your claiming that a murder victim bears as much responiblity for his death as the murderer that makes you a nut. 

Does a women who wears a sexy dress bear just as much fault if she gets raped as the rapist?

If you leave your car unlocked at night do you bear just as much fault if something is stolen out of the car as the theif?

For the final time, I did not say he deserved to die, but he did make his bed.  Your examples are apples and oranges.  They had a relationship.  It was not a random murder.

By this logic the doctor who was murdered deserved it for performing legal abortions.

McNair is responsible to a point.  Did you see that girls My Face pages? Half of the photos revolved around her posing on the New Escalade McNaire bought her. She was posing on it like that redhead in the Whitesnake Video.  Can you imagine what it was like for a 20 yr old kid  to suddenly be dating The Number one Sports star in the area? To be showered with expensive gifts and Trips ? Then say...........Uggggh. Thanks for the depository baby. (Play Freebird) .   Thats why adults shouldn't mess with Kids. She's not even allowed to legally drink yet, do you think she is gonna make rational decisions? Don't bang needy chicks .

The one thing that got me is that they reported Mcnair didn't have a car in the lot or the area. That means he came for the Escalade. He got it all right.  :|

Wow.  Congrats you win the most asinine comparision award of the Year.   Don't spend the check all in one place.................... ::)

I have heard that opinion expressed.  Not sure if it made it into our thread here. 

He didn't deserve to die like that.  This is one of the reasons anybody in the public eye athletes celebrities etc.  have to be careful who they hang around. 

No of course he didn't deserve to die. The whole thing is as tragic as it comes.  But he is responsible making that chick snap like that.  Look at Joey Buttafuco. Remember that Classy guy?  Mess with kids.........give them stuff, and then walk away after your primal urges have been met...... some people are gonna snap.

he didn't deserve to die like that but it beats dying in public.
Some people have a fetish for chicks & muzzle flash in the dark, so it can't be that bad

I wonder how she told him.    Hey Baby..........its ok, let me just go get the Keys.  You sit here and I'll be right back.

He didn't even know what hit him.  BOOM!! She hit him twice in the chest. He like Ouch looking down and then BOOM!! another one in the head.
He never even heard the last one.

The latest from yahoo said she shot him while he was sleeping...

Lets see it was stated a man was partly to blame for his murder because of his actions. I bring up a recent event where a man was murdered for his actions, and people believed he deserved it.
So all in all they are a pretty close comparison. The people who said the doctor deserved to die were branded as crazy. Stl has been called nuts for her comparison.
I will spend that check getting you your own pair of clownshoes. Rubber nose is optional.

Don't buy the shoes too big because you will be eating them.

One was a professional Doctor , performing his job as liscensed by the state.  The Murderer acting on his own homicidal veiws of the way he believes the world should be.  Thats the true definition of Murder 1, Completely planned  and that poor man was executed.

The McNair murder couldn't have been more different. About the only simularity is that a person was killed.  The girl acted on her emotions , her needs, not some crazy veiw of the way the world should work.  Had she not had the balls to pull the trigger on herself Crime of passion would have been the defense and I could see her walking the streets again in 10-15 yrs with the right Sympathatic jury. 

The defense would make Steve out to be the Bad guy and this precious little flower the Victim. Weather you agree or not thats the way it would have been played out , still might be.

No such defense exists for the madman that killed that Doctor. The two murders couldn't be more different.  Enjoy the Clown suit.............If the show fits they say. ::)

There is no way she could have raised the vol. manslaughter -- heat of passion defense.  Which as I recall requires an emotional event and no adquiate cooling off period. 

In this case the murderer bought the gun the day before, it is premeditated murder.

The "heat of passion" defense would work if Mrs. McNair saw her husband banging the mistriss.  It does not work for the mistriss being upset about the break up

The only defense either of these clowns would have is the insanity defense.  And the nut that killed the doctor would have a better shot at pevailing on that one.   

You think?  Trust me I've seen enough of these trials (I was a court Baliff for 4 years) to see the way the defense works and I've been present in hundreds of jury rooms with juries listening to how they debate the final outcomes.   If the defense picks the right panel, he would have shown the poor 20 yr old girl as a victim. I'm not agreeing with it by any means.......your right. That pre Med. Murder 1. She bought the gun and planned it.   But the defense attorny will bring family wittnesses in that will state she wanted a gun long before she even Met McNair. It was just a coinsidence that she bought it and used it the same week.  Life was good. She just got back from vacation with him. He gave her the new Truck, then used her. She has no criminal record , they would trot out her 3rd grade teacher and girl scout leader. I've seen it. Its evil shit.

I'm telling ya all the state wants is a conviction. Losing it would be HUGE.  They would deal and settle for 12-15. She's out by her 35th birthday.   Happens all the time all day long.  :|

Pretty easy to declare bullshit on that one. 

Balliff isn't allowed in the jury room while the jury debates. 

If you spent half of the amount of energy replying intelligently to the posts that you spend trying to discredit people you would actually make a lick of sense sometimes.  There is a main door to the hallway and a second that leads to private bathrroms and the jury rooms.  We are Posted outside the door in the small area between the hallway and can only leave when relieved by another Baliff.  You can hear everything. I would never comment or say anything of course but when your sitting there for hours on end.......you hear shit.

Now why don't you actually add to the content ? I've talked to defense attornys and the Prosecution. I've even had a few Pop wows with the judges After the trial of course. You get to see how the game is played after a while. Now after being a road cop for the last 5 yrs and a jailer before that I am far from knowing it all............but I think I have a very rounded education.

And any prosecutor with any ability to argue law could destroy that argument. This woman was acting like a gold digger as her myspace page reflects her undying love of a vehicle a much older, richer, and famous man bought for her in exchange for sex. It was not even registered in her name solely. Three days before the murder, she was pulled over and arrested for DUI, with Steve in the vehicle, and I am sure that her behavior during that stop was probably the last straw for him, which would explain why she bought the gun ahead of time. He probably dumped her and she asked him to come over to talk with the intention of threatening to use the gun on herself to get him back, or killing him.
As to your nice long, drawn out discourse on logic, you are wrong.  In both cases someone was murdered because someone did not like what they did or said, and not because of a justifiable reason. Just because you may or may not agree with the victim's morals, ethic, or personal life does not make one murder less heinous than the other. Neither murder has mitigating circumstances by the victim that makes their deaths deserved in the least.

  

Hey I agree with you. But Have you ever sat through an entire Murder trial?  You wouldn't believe how the Victims are made to look like .





She KNEW her Victim. She fucked the shit out of him and did things that would make Hugh Hefner Blush.   

The Victim in the Abortion case did not know the Doctor from Adam.  The cases could not be more different. You just won't admit it.   :|

yes, several.


Ussually even the scumbag victims come off looking like saints.

DA puts the victims mom on the stand who talks about how wonderful her son until the judge ends the questioning on the basis that it is totally irrelevent.  (Her only actual relevent statement is to tell us that at one point he was alive) The defense atty does zero cross.  Because 1. the witness doesn't added any thing particularly relevent.  and 2. crossing a grieving mom will likily alienate the jury.

On the other hand very rarely will the defense want to introduce the defendant's character.   

If Steve McNair had a little more Brett Favre in him, there would still be a chance of him coming back...

Not in this case. Just Look at this thread to see how Steve Mcnair (The victim) is being made out to be . What do you think is going to happen if they pick a jury?  And this is where my jury panel experience comes in. The Jury freaking lies during Voir dire. The very meaning of the word is to tell a true verdict, but they lie. I have heard jurists say during selection that they have no biases but during dliberations........... ::) Completely different people in that room.

All it takes is one person . just like we have in this very thread, to see McNair as a 37 yr old pervert and she walks.  State smells that and she gets the deal of a lifetime. Happens everyday. The state tries like hell during selection to weed them out ......but they get in . 

Turns out she bought the gun from a convicted murderer and the Feds now have him in custody. 

http://www.fanhouse.com/news/nfl/felon-arrested-over-gun-in-steve-mcnair/576955?icid=main|main|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fanhouse.com%2Fnews%2Fnfl%2Ffelon-arrested-over-gun-in-steve-mcnair%2F576955

Wow I thought this thread was as dead as the murderer and her victim. Is there much to really discuss about this murder/suicide anymore?

A 3rd party arrest , how is that not relavant?

It is very relevant.... as is this:

I saw on ESPN that the toxicology report showed that the girl had marijuana in her system, and McNair's blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit. 

So what he was drinking.  Getting drunk is legal.  Just don't drive. 

I shouldn't laugh, but I think this is pretty good.

He was drunk and the girl was high.... and that might've played a part in the girl's decision to blow him away.

This is an unknown. That's the thing about drug testing especially for marijuana. People test positive long after the effects are gone.

Phish has a point.  If she were smoking it in his prescence, wouldn't he have tested postitive for it also?

And the effect of pot is to mellow people not turn them into homicidal manics.  Maybe if she did a  bong that night McNair woudl be alive today. 

Maybe the pot was to calm her before she off'ed her lover?

Who said it wasn't? Its just interesting knowing the state of mind they were in before the incident happened.  He was obviously drunk and fell asleep in the chair. He didn't know what hit him.

I doubt she smoked a joint before she offed him. She was a 20 yr old kid. Looking at her facebook pics she partied Regular.

And you must have missed the story of her DUI arrest just days before she committed murder. McNair was in the vehicle with her. She admitted she was high and not drunk. So she liked pot a lot. Also do not believe the hype that all pot smokers are peaceful and non violent when smoking.

Only if you get between them and the snack food do they turn violent. 

Or if you take away their pot, tell them they cannot smoke it in public places, in the wrong hood, etc.