The Dolphins Make Me Cry.com - Forums

So, I'm starting to notice a disturbing trend amongst the Dolfan faithful.  I'm starting to read in other forums and hearing comments of people who want "Henne now".  My question is - Why?

I've never liked the idea of throwing young QBs into the fray.  Sure, there are examples of success when employing such a practice.  However, for the most part, it always seems to end in disaster for both the QB and the team.  I think Pennington has done good for the team and continues to do so.  Maybe not as much in production on the field as much as he has for development and leadership for our young'ns but I think it's almost as important, especially when you have such a young offense. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is - if an experienced QB hasn't had a monstrous amount of success what makes people think that a green noob will?  Even worse, what's going to happen to our future QB when he's fed to the wolves early on?  I know... It will be Play *next young QB* NOW!!! sentiments all over again. 

Let our boy gain experience and knowledge.  It's not like we're on track for the SB right now.  What's the rush?

I'm with you.  I think it's just a vocal minority that wants Henne now.

i said henne should play now earlier today as a joke, but this arguement could go either way.  It is way too early to hit the "panic button" and pennington does give Miami the best chance to win, as far as we know.  But on the other hand pennington is in a contract year and miami has already expressed that henne will start in 2010.







experience comes with playing......and miami is not winning a super bowl this year....so if miami is, say, 1 - 4......why not see what our qb of the futre can do

Sure there is no better way to learning than being hands on but like most apprenticeships you sit, watch and learn at first.

By the way, this is something that I've been thinking about after talking with some friends and reading other forums.  Your joke merely reminded me of them.

Just a reminder - this is the exact same thing "you all" said about John Beck.  Putting a young QB in before he's ready "just to see what he can do" is career-damaging.

touche.....altho henne has a year under his belt where as beck was thrown right in against some tough defenses and horrible weather conditions......and cam cameron for a coach

I think Henne should get SOME playing time.  Starting him, on the other hand, is a different story. 

It was almost impossible to play him last year because every game was so close.

Wow. I'm really lost. I thought Henne sat all last year. No certainly don't through him to the wolves.

Comparing this year and inserting Henne in year 2 to Beck's rookie season and team 2 years ago is like comparing Whoopi Goldberg to Beyonce.

Of course you should start Henne this year. 

No point in having the same QB start two full years in a row.  Dolphins have committed to rotating QBs every few games ever since Marino left, and the plan has worked great.  Why would you want to stop that trend now.  No QB is allowed to start more than 20 games in row! Otherwise the offense might actually develop some sort of rythem. 

boo hiss already heard that one

Consistancy is going to help Penny? I don't see it making his arm stronger so that we can make defenses back up. I don't see where that helps Ginn either. Besides, I'm talking about once we are , by all reasonable notions, eliminated from the playoffs. That would be when we go 0-3 or something comparable.

Keeping Penny the Qb just so that we can have more wins doesn't make sense. Did New England get an award for having the most wins by a non-playoff team? Neither will we.

Where did that come from? It's stuck in my head.  :-\

I'm,I don't care either way,to leaning play Henne...Wow talk about hypocrtes...Not a word about playing Pat White,but Henne..No ohh god..Last time I checked Henne second year,Pat Whites the rookie a rookie..

News flash people Pennington HAS NEVER started 16 games 2 years in a row in his NFL career,and only started 16 games twice in his entire career,06,and 08...

Pennington is a free agent after this year,personally I don't want to have to resign him,and not know if we have to draft another QB...
My concerns are about ruining Henne,He's a big boy,played at a bigger school,he can handle the pressure....But we have to change the palybook to him..and not pull a Chicago Bears...New QB,and try to run his old offense at his old team....(The Bears a re a run the ball play defense,not throw it 50 times with no WR's)

If the offense looks like shit in another week or so.....Play Henne...

The offensive line seems to not be communicating,and working as a group.....meanwhile,they're gonna get Pennington,noodle arm,pretty fragile QB is getting killed....

The point at which the maths means we can no longer get into the playoffs, you start Henne and see if we need to resign Pennington or not, or if we resign Pennington, what kind of role he gets and for how much money.

Surely?

I am going to move up my approval for starting Henne to after the bye.  If we don't start getting some offensive rhythm and our O-line looks good enough to handle the extra pressure that a young QB often incites then I say why not.

As others have stated...  Pennington is not the future, although I really like the guy.  Henne is not a rookie and had a great deal of college play time.  You got to admit that we are likely not going to the playoffs this year so there is little to lose from that standpoint. 

It just doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that teams are playing us close to the line of scrimmage.  Our dinks and dunks as well as our running game are suffering.  Unless our special teams and defense can produce points and/or great field position we will have trouble.  How do you sustain 12+ play drives and not expect to fail to convert your way to touchdowns with any consistency?

My thought I left out because I was in a hurry...Too many fans are chicken little when we lose,we're the worst team in the league,then next week we win,and suddenly,we're the best team in the league.We can beat any team in the league going into the next week,it's been that way for years....

Losing the first game doesn't mean the season's over....

I'm fine with them playing him but only after we're officially out of the playoff picture.

I'm also fine with playing him during garbage time while we're still IN the playoff picture.  Unfortunately, with the exception of the Arizona and first New England game last season, there was no garbage time in any game.

We had garbage time in the last game that we used to pad Penny's stats.

True but what message do you send to your team by putting Henne in, you need to build the confidence of Pennington, until we're out of the race, we have to assume we're pushing for playoffs this year, however fanciful that may seem.

We wil not challenge with Henne.

This is exactly it.  Seeing what he can do sends a message to the team that, at 0-1, we're giving up.  Everyone knows Pennington gives the Dolphins the best chance to win, I don't think there's any debate about that.  The offensive game plan needs to improve, including blocking schemes and route-running.

Henne is not going to do anything this season.

the o line is the biggest problem right now that is really concerning. jake long's technique of letting the de run him over will result in a sack no matter who is playing quarterback. the o line's consistency in letting the defensive front play in the offensive backfield is a big reason why the passing and running games suck.

the play calling is helping them out any either... hopefully they commit to some kind of running game to help give the offense some balance.

until this offensive line plays better than a high school varsity team, it doesn't matter who the quarterback running this team is.

Putting him in late in a lost game signfies giving up the season? I would say that is a pretty big stretch.  Everyone knows that this team is Henne's in waiting.

Directly from one of the Dolphins writers in Dolphin Digest ... It's when and not if the Dolphins put Henne in this year.  I dare say puting him in during a time when the game is gone wouldn't affect them nearly as much as the Dolphins own camp writers writing this. 

Wow what a bold prediction.  The backup QB on a NFL team is going to get soem playing time during the year.  What will this guy predict next? 

Part of that predition was bold.......

Specifically "when", "if", & "in this year"

On the other hand.... "Directly from one of the Dolphins writers in Dolphin Digest ... It's",  "and not", "the Dolphins put Henne" & "I dare say puting him in during a time when the game is gone wouldn't affect them nearly as much as the Dolphins own camp writers writing this." was not bold at all.     

If they're serious about getting him ready, and they're serious about him being our next "Quarterback of the Future We're Trying To Replace Marino With" then they better hurry up and give him mop up time and if we're out of the playoff picture early, I'd start him. 

You're not going to know what kind of quarterback he is until he plays a whole game when it counts, and you're really not going to know what kind of player he is until he has to come up in the clutch. 

^^^

yup

It appears that I may have rememeberd the quote out of context. I must apologize.

"The talk in the in offseason was when, and not if, the heir apparent to the QB would take over.  It had been assumed that Henne would at the latest be annointed after Pennington's contract runs out after this season."

Pennington will not be in a Dolphin uniform next year unless one of the following two things happen.

1.  We win the Superbowl by some miracle
2.  He agrees to take a pay cut and back Henne up. 

I don't think anyone is arguing that Pennington is Miami's future.

Also, my whole point is, why not give him (Henne) another year to get a good feel for the game on the sidelines?  Football is intricate times a million in the NFL.  Let him keep getting a firmer grasp on scenarios, playbooks, even management and leadership skills.  Then, give him full control at the wheel come next year.  Easy transition for all and gives this guy ample time to mentally and physically prepare.  Granted, this is "best case scenario" I'm talking about - injuries and other circumstances aside. 

I don't see any positive coming out of playing starting him any game this year besides answering to fans' curiosity as to what he can really do.

Why play Henne now? Because watching 7 and 8 men in the box is getting old.  Just try and imagine how good our running game would be if defenses had to respect the pass.

It would help if Pennington or Henne had someone to actually catch the fucking ball............. :-\

Who's to say they wouldn't put the same 8 in the box and blitz the shit out of him only to scare the same shit out of him resulting in making him a shit QB...

BTW, who's he gonna throw to?  Ican'tbelieve it'snotbutter-Ginn sure hands?

It is time for a change. Henne will get his experience behind the center...Chad Thanks for the great year in 2008 but you cant even throw the ball more than 10 yards. I watched you look your recievers off in Atlanta last week and I watched you do the same tonight. If your average throw is less than 10 yards everytime you do throw the ball to a Receiver then you will have a High completion rating. Come on guys it is commen sence. It is time for Henne to get dirty!

I don't think that Henne is a solution to Miami's woes. When he was in college I called him "radar" because he would lock on to the receivers.

You can't do that in the NFL. He hasn't impressed me so far

The exaggerations on Pennignton's arm strength are getting overdone in my book. He had plenty of zip last night.

I don't think I've seen one savior tag for Henne. He just needs to get a chance. Penny is a better version of Fieldler, period. Good QB but certainly not one to win many games for you. Some of us would like to win a game when everyone didn't have to play a perfect game to do so.