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I watched Chad last season and the start of this season do what he does best, throw the ball 10 yards, no more no less! I am Happy he holds the record for completion percentage but then again if you cant throw the ball more than 10 yards I am pretty sure you are going to be able to do the same as good ol Chad.....
It is time for a change, we brought Henne in because he can throw the ball deep and he is a SMART QB.....I was at the game in Atlanta and I watched Chad look off all of his deep recivers and try his little dump pass the whole game. Hey Fassano you guys are making a lot of money to coach this team and make the changes neccessary to put your team in a winning situation. I think it is time to watch the film and realize your QB (Chad) does not have the arm to throw the ball deep and be accurate. I have been a fan since 1976 and year after year since Marino retired, I have watched this team run the same conservative offense with different head coaches. It is time to make a change. This fan is done until Henne or White is givin a chance to show what they can truly do. Chad thanks for last season but it is time to retire......Good luck this year Phins I will be back when the Phins grow some Balls!!!!!!

Bandwagon much?

I don't think there is anything wrong with the way the offense approached the game.

The problem is that Miami's offense is not built for quick strikes. If you have a conservative offense with quick strike capability, you can take your shots.

Miami had a conservative offense in the early 70's AND quick strike capability with Bob Griese and Paul Warfield. Shula wasn't afraid to let Griese air it out and Griese had a  stronger arm than what people gave him credit for.

Miami doesn't have a true burner on the other side of Ginn to REALLY stretch the defense. Camarillo, Hartline and Ginn have the same speed but the burner on the other side is Patrick Turner but he's not ready yet.

So it's not all Pennington.

The offense played just fine.  The Defense evidently needs to be run and forced to tackle in practice until they throw up on Wednesday and Thursday.

Is it me or is anyone else tired of hearing this noodle arm story over and over again? Pennington's arm looked just fine when he zipped a pass 42 yards on the money to Ginn in the end zone (who dropped it by the way).

Zipped? C'mon Phish that is a real Fish story.  ;)

Watch a replay. The ball was on a rope and hit Ginn in the hands. That was a perfect pass dropped by the receiver. It wasn't a lob pass, he didn't have to run halfway down the field to get it there, he didn't need to pull out a slingshot for it. He threw the ball well, but people have fallen into the hype.

Ginn stopped and waited on a floater on one and the other he short armed. I assume the short armed one was the zipp you were referring to?  It's been a while since you've seen a good Dolphins QB as you are expecting much less these days. Watch Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco or even Chad Henne ... just to name a few new QBs. Put in Brady, Manning, Favre and he isn't even in their area code.

Say what you will about him but Zip on his fastball is just totally crazy!

Zip may be the wrong word, but this is not a floater by anyones standards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhf0Y0_eWBo

It just you.  I can listen to it over and over again.

You can see my post explaining why over in the anti-fins section, but I really don't think Pennington is the problem.  I believe he is being coached to throw the ball underneath at all times in the interest of preventing turnovers.  When Pennington first came to us from the Jets, he would look at matchups and take some shots at intermediate throws.  Now, he doesn't even look intermediate.

I think Pennington's history suggests that all of this short passing is coaching staff driven.  I won't argue that deep ball issues are Pennington's fault, but he is definitely capable of a solid intermediate passing game.  Interestingly enough, our receivers are also primarily intermediate threats.  We have this combination, yet we throw 5-7 yards in most attempts.  Blame it on the coaching!

see ya - we don't need fair-weathered fans. 

If you're waiting on Henne or White to be this team's savior, its going to be a long, depressing next few seasons for you.

Blah blah blah...Pennington sucks and can't throw...yada yada yada...

Meanwhile I don't think it was Chad dropping those passes that were hitting Ginn Junior in the chest and numbers?  Pennington's line Monday should should have been something around the area of 265 yards and two scores. 

I think some people need to watch the entire sequence of a football game.  There are 11 guys on the field at the same time for a reason. 

Not sure where you get the second score from, but the problem with Pennington is that his lack of arm strength makes what should have been an easy catch into a pretty difficult one. You can blame the receivers every time, but, statistically, you're going to get a lot more incomplete passes if the balls are more difficult to catch.

He was also VERY luck not to have a pick-6 on a short out-route that the corner had read all the way and Pennington's slow-mo ball gave him every chance to grab it. Luckily, he went for the bat-down (with two hands, even) and the result was "just" an incomplete.

The two passes in the end zone that Ginn dropped.

Ginn had one hit him in the numbers on a 27 yard curl at mid field with no one around him.  He dropped two, in the end zone, that went through his hands.  GOD could have thrown those passes and Ginn would have dropped them.

I know the popular thing is to lob all fault on the QB's shoulders.  Ain't accurate though.

^ The one By Fasano,then two plays later Ginn Alligator armed one...then the final one that was dropped....The first one by Ginn and Fasano would have been 1 TD,and then the dropped pass by Ginn...The Missed field Goal by Carpenter....(Sorry Got on a roll there)

The Final 3 or 4 throws...Chad,ran forward like 6 yards to make those throws...The problem, I see with Chad's lack of Arm strength,is There isn't any fear in playing 8-9 man fronts...Deep Balls/Big pass plays are going to come from play action,or broken /missed tackles.....(When the ball is in the air,the DB has time to recover,the damn timing throw)


Oops Didn't see Maines post explaining the 2 TD's)

Hold on.  So if the ball is more difficult to catch, you will have more incompletions?  Wow that is insightful.  You should write that down in a book.
So since Pennington has one of the highest completion rates for qbs, it would mean his passes are not have to catch?  Did i get that right?  Statistically speaking of course.

Agreed...though it isn't "one of the highest" completion percentages...he is the highest. #1 all-time for career completion percentage.

That said, I think a lot of that statistical success lies in how short the majority of his pass plays have been. The shorter they are, the easier they are to complete...no major epiphany there. Fran Tarkenton also had a severely padded completion percentage for the same reason. Long passes thrown by "weak-armed" arms tend to wobble and be difficult to catch. Long passes thrown by strong-armed QBs tend to hold their spiral, give the receiver an easier ball to handle and arrive quicker, giving the defensive backs less time to recover.

Not *hard* to catch. Helps if you read through your text before pressing "post"...

Yeah, Pennington's throws are not hard to catch - on average - because they're all SHORT THROWS. Pennington is a good quarterback, let me just say that right here, but he was HUGELY overrated in New York when he was considered a great quarterback. A large part of that rep came by way of his short-throw-inflated completion percentage.

The one single thing that makes Pennington a good NFL quarterback is that he knows his limits and will, with few exceptions (playoff game vs Baltimore), play within them. That means he'll very rarely try to hit a man deep, unless he is EXCEPTIONALLY open; he knows how much hang time his throws have and is a good judge of how far away the safety is.

(That's not the only thing he does well, of course, he also reads defenses well, which - I suspect - is the #1 reason Henne hasn't gotten a shot yet).

this team didn't lose the game monday night because of offense. they lost because the safeties can't cover anyone in the middle of the field, and were unable to generate any pressure on the qb (either off the edge or up the middle). the defense blew it...

My problem with the game was at the end of both halves.

At the end of the 1st half with 2:15 or so on the clock, and the phins on the 50 yd line....they played for a damn field goal.  I know they were running the ball down their throats, but go for 7 and settle for 3.  Don't just settle for 3.

At the end of the game, maybe they were running a 2 minute drill that Sporano was happy with...but from what I was watching there was no urgency by anyone to get as many plays off in the limited amount of time.

It was a tough loss to take.  Now they travel to the west coast on a short week.  Go Phins!