Title: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on October 26, 2009, 12:17:10 am Yankees vs Phillies. Game 1 is Wednesday. Discuss.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on October 26, 2009, 01:24:44 am I am still laughing at seeing Peter Gammons having to kiss some Yankee ass at the Stadium as they danced on the field in victory!
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: SCFinfan on October 26, 2009, 02:57:52 am I was really hoping for Torre's Dodgers to make it to the WS, but as it is, I'm very happy. I'm a little worried about the Phillies' lineup. How will our 3 man rotation do against a squad like this? (Hopefully pretty well!) And speaking of said 3 man rotation, why isn't it a 4 man rotation feature Pedro Martinez?
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: SportsChick on October 26, 2009, 08:50:07 am Go Phillies
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on October 26, 2009, 08:53:26 am Are there any other Phillies fans on this board besides Philly Fin Fan?
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: SportsChick on October 26, 2009, 09:02:29 am There are a lot who are on the bandwagon
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on October 26, 2009, 09:05:54 am I cheer for the NL in the Series at all times...and I cheer against the Yankees whenever I'm awake. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: CF DolFan on October 26, 2009, 10:00:01 am I'm sure you have many more Yankee haters than Philly fans but that will create many, many Philly fans for the time being.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on October 26, 2009, 10:39:00 am Phillies in six.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Rick on October 26, 2009, 10:41:05 am New York Yankees in 5 games. #27
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: dolphantom on October 26, 2009, 04:46:18 pm GO YANKEES!!!!
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: NADS on October 27, 2009, 12:56:24 am I can't wait until it's over...missed cartoons on Fox Sunday night. I'm pulling for the Phillies in four because the Yanks pitching roster probably costs more than the entire Phillies payroll. I'm glad the Angels didn't make it because they have the gayest name in sports (except possibly the CFL).
For shits and grins: Forbes Valuations for the 30 Clubs in Major League Baseball http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=126 Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: TonyB0D on October 27, 2009, 07:11:08 am yankees are the better team, but i can see it going 7. yanks win.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on October 27, 2009, 07:51:10 pm Yankees in 3. Philly is going to forfeit the series after going down 3-0.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: StL FinFan on October 27, 2009, 09:42:25 pm I cheer for the NL in the Series at all times...and I cheer against the Yankees whenever I'm awake. I'm sure you have many more Yankee haters than Philly fans but that will create many, many Philly fans for the time being. Word Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on October 29, 2009, 07:28:54 am What an excellent job by Cliff Lee last night. He made the Yankees look like a pee wee team. Props where props are due.
Nice bullpen by the way, Yankees. Tonight the Yankees get to face the most influential player to ever play at Yankee Stadium, Pedro Martinez....LOL! Please come through tonight, AJ! Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on October 29, 2009, 09:23:06 am I have an odd feeling that Pedro is going to do well tonight. Maybe not well enough to win. But well. I have a feeling that the Yankees bats are all due for at least a semi cooling, they've been too hot lately. Getting shut down like they did last night can have trickle down effects. I say Pedro gets into the 7th inning tonight and gives up 4 or less earned runs. Just a feeling.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on October 29, 2009, 11:25:37 am Dear God, I don't ask for much, but if you could make this a lopsided-as-all-heck 4 or 5 game World Series romp by the Phillies that sends the Yankees home crushed, I swear I'll never ask for another favor again. Amen Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on October 29, 2009, 11:29:24 am I have an odd feeling that Pedro is going to do well tonight. Maybe not well enough to win. But well. I have a feeling that the Yankees bats are all due for at least a semi cooling, they've been too hot lately. Getting shut down like they did last night can have trickle down effects. I say Pedro gets into the 7th inning tonight and gives up 4 or less earned runs. Just a feeling. I've got that same feeling. I can see him going at least 6, allowing 3 or 4 runs.Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on October 29, 2009, 11:46:23 am He looked sharp against L.A.
Now...that was a warm day, too. Pedro doesn't always do well when it's cold. I do see where game time temps tonight could be 55-60, he lucks out that it won't be wet and cold like last night. The big question will be this: Can AJ keep the Phillies under 5 tonight? Because if he can't, I don't know if they win. If AJ's breaking stuff looks ridiculous tonight he should be okay. When "on" his curve could be the best in the bigs. But you can't leave any breaking stuff hanging against a team with four guys in the line up that hit 30+ jacks. Should be an interesting game tonight. Could come down to a throwing error or walks. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Rick on October 29, 2009, 12:38:26 pm Cliff Lee was amazing last night. Good thing he pitched 9 innings, so hopefully the Yanks will only have to see him one more time even if the series goes to 7 games.
I reallly need a Xanax being down 0-1 with AJ on the bump tonight. He really needs to step up and throw a good game. I think the Yankees bats will wake-up somewhat against Pedro, but AJ cannot give up a bunch of runs (especially early in the game). Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Thundergod on October 29, 2009, 02:42:03 pm Dear God, I don't ask for much, but if you could make this a lopsided-as-all-heck 4 or 5 game World Series romp by the Phillies that sends the Yankees home crushed, I swear I'll never ask for another favor again. Amen Aaaaaaaameeeeeeen. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/lordthundergod/pope.gif) Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on October 29, 2009, 02:46:58 pm ^^^ I knew it was only a matter of time before I was censer-ed on this site. ;) Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Chopper on October 29, 2009, 08:18:39 pm Lovin Pedro's work so far! :-))
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Chopper on October 29, 2009, 08:30:38 pm W00t...game on
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: raptorsfan29 on October 29, 2009, 10:46:47 pm philles are so good right now, they get two outs without actually getting the two outs.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on October 29, 2009, 11:30:20 pm philles are so good right now, they get two outs without actually getting the two outs. LOL! Another nice call, huh? ;)Anyways, 1-1 heading back to Philly. Both AJ and Pedro pitched really well. The Yankees just got the big HR's tonight that made the difference. For some odd reason Matsui loves to hit against Pedro. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: SCFinfan on October 30, 2009, 12:19:52 am I get so superstitious about games. After watching last night, and seeing Chase hit those two home runs, I couldn't watch today. Not out of nervousness, but out of the fact that I, for whatever reason, feel my watching has an effect on the game.
Lo and behold, we won. Maybe I'll never watch a Yankees world series again! Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on October 30, 2009, 09:20:49 am AJ was the nuts last night. The.nuts.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Rick on October 30, 2009, 12:42:04 pm AJ was the nuts last night. The.nuts. That was the best game AJ has pitched since joining the Pinstripes. I love that guy! :)Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on October 30, 2009, 12:42:57 pm Let's go Phillies...viva la senior circuit!! Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on October 30, 2009, 12:53:15 pm The Yankees were fairly fortunate to have scored the runs that they did last night. The bats have cooled at a very inopportune time. Going into Philly for three straight is not a good time to have that happen, especially with Andy and maybe Chad going in games 3 & 4. They could quickly find themselves down 3-1 going into game 5 with CC back on the hill.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on October 30, 2009, 01:11:48 pm The Yankees were fairly fortunate to have scored the runs that they did last night. The bats have cooled at a very inopportune time. Going into Philly for three straight is not a good time to have that happen, especially with Andy and maybe Chad going in games 3 & 4. They could quickly find themselves down 3-1 going into game 5 with CC back on the hill. I believe CC is going game 4 and Gaudin in game 5. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on October 30, 2009, 01:14:02 pm Now comes the most difficult task the Yankees have faced so far this season. Winning in Philly. This season and last season have proved that Philly is practically unbeatable at home in the playoffs. The Rockies, Dodgers, and Rays all learned that the hard way.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on October 30, 2009, 01:24:33 pm I believe CC is going game 4 and Gaudin in game 5. That would make sense. I thought I heard that they backed CC to game 5 and were planning on using him out of the bullpen in game 7, if needed. Of course when it comes to a game seven EVERYONE is available to pitch. I want to see Molina pitch! I actually bet he would have anywhere between 92-95 mph heat. It wouldn't move...but it would be fast! Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on October 30, 2009, 04:21:35 pm I have been thinking a lot about the last two times the Yankees were in the WS, '01 and '03. I still say that the 2001 WS against Arizona might have been the best World Series ever.
8th inning, Yankees up 2-1. Mariano Rivera is brought in for a two inning save. Strikes out the side. 9th inning mental mistakes, amid a shaking stadium in Arizona, leads to a walk off Gonzalez bloop for the win against the greatest closer in the history of the game. I know the memory most likely haunts Yankee fans - but as a baseball fan with no interest in the overall winner...that series made gave me goosebumps. That series got me to thinking about this one...and titles like "the greatest pitching performance in World Series history." Cliff Lee has been amazing this post season. But... (http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/2003/1103_large.jpg) How is Josh Beckett not in that conversation? Beckett gave up 1 ER in game one and pitched on short rest for game 3. Seven innings, one ER in the loss. Then...on short rest again and on the road in one of the most intimidating places to play any game... Beckett tosses a complete game shut out to close down the series. Although this series went six, those six games were amazing. Game 1, one run game. Game 2 was a stinker to even it up. Game 3, another stinker and it looked like the Yankees were about to school the young, upstart Marlins. One run game in 12 innings in game 4. Game 5, two run game. Marlins now hold a 3 game to two edge. Game 6 had all the drama you could hope for in a two run game. This series is reminding me a lot of that one, what with the pitching match ups and what not. As amazing as Cliff Lee was in game 1, and Burnett last night... My money is on Beckett's performance in '03. Masterful. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on October 30, 2009, 05:19:11 pm Hard to argue about the Yanks-Snakes Series...it was a thing of beauty, regardless of who you were cheering for. Beckett in '03 was larger than life... You could line up murderers row against him, and all you'd hear is the wind generated by their bats. A couple of minor corrections though... Josh didn't pitch game 1 though...just 3 and 6. Penny got the start in game 1 Josh gave up 2 runs in game 3, the second coming after he left the game in the 8th when Dontrelle allowed the inherited baserunner to score and give the Yanks a 2-1 lead. Josh pitched lights out up until the 8th though. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: SCFinfan on November 01, 2009, 01:01:29 am Good, kinda grinding win against the Phils tonight. God please don't let CC's arm fall off tomorrow.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 01, 2009, 01:20:02 am The Yankees were fairly fortunate to have scored the runs that they did last night. The bats have cooled at a very inopportune time. Going into Philly for three straight is not a good time to have that happen, especially with Andy and maybe Chad going in games 3 & 4. They could quickly find themselves down 3-1 going into game 5 with CC back on the hill. Hey Maine, still think the Yankees bats have cooled? I think not. Citizens Bank Park is a hitter friendly park, and the way the Yankees lineup is set, I can see a LOT of dingers. The Yankees bats seemed to have heated up in the 4th inning and never cooled down tonight. I'm still saying the series goes back to New York, but if the Yankees keep hitting the way they did tonight, it might not. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on November 01, 2009, 01:15:12 pm Booyah! Go for the throat night in Philly! Too bad Cliffy can't pitch tonight...... ;D
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 01, 2009, 09:22:12 pm Booyah! Go for the throat night in Philly! Too bad Cliffy can't pitch tonight...... ;D Philly shot themselves in the foot doing that if there is a game 7. Lee will only be available to pitch out of the bullpen. CC probably will start. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: SCFinfan on November 02, 2009, 12:21:28 am Keep on grinding!
And don't let this go home! Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 02, 2009, 07:29:21 am Lee is on the hill tonight. I'm still saying the series will go back to New York.
Order the champagne but don't put it on ice just yet. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on November 02, 2009, 08:59:55 am At least we all know what those stupid white flags are for now!
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Rick on November 02, 2009, 11:48:39 am Thank you Philadelphia Sillies....throwing at a slumping A-Rod, letting Damon steal 2 bases because of an infield shift and not even thinking about throwing Cliff Lee on 3 days rest. J-Roll said Philly in 5...... :D
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on November 02, 2009, 01:10:09 pm What was "J Roll" supposed to say? "We're going to lose?"
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Rick on November 02, 2009, 01:24:31 pm ^^^ He could have said what Jeter and most of the Yankees said...."it's gonna be a tough series". Instead Rollins was planning his outfit for the victory celebration.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on November 02, 2009, 01:28:04 pm Rollins is trying to be a leader. On a team, by the way, that happens to be the defending champions. I have zero issue with what he said.
2004 - Boston is down 3/0 to the Yankees. Damon specifically said the Yankees first three wins were flukes and that Boston will win the next four. Was that wrong of him to say? He was trying to be a leader even though I am sure what was really going through his mind was "shit...we're toast." Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on November 02, 2009, 01:41:48 pm Fuck the Yankees That is all... Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Rick on November 02, 2009, 01:53:48 pm I like the approach of not adding any fuel to the fire. Confidence is good, but keep it in house. Lead by example, do not say anything that might give the opposing team any kind advantage.
Maine, I am trying to forget 2004! ;) Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on November 02, 2009, 03:49:28 pm 2004 is all I have left!
:) You will have a ring this year, worry not... Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: ethurst22 on November 02, 2009, 04:01:36 pm I was hoping that the Phillies would pull off an upset over the team with an unlimited payroll that can buy a championship.
Now when I look back at things, it makes the 2003 Marlins win more amazing and guess what? People don't talk about that as the greatest upset in baseball history. It's always brush to the side. Not being a homer but because of the payroll disparity back then and the Marlins being a young team, to me, it ranks in the top five of greatest World Series upsets ever. Pedro was losing steam the other night. Matsui's homer turned the whole series around. Damn Yankees! Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on November 02, 2009, 09:41:51 pm I was hoping that the Phillies would pull off an upset over the team with an unlimited payroll that can buy a championship. I wish I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone make this statement.Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on November 03, 2009, 01:35:38 am I wish I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone make this statement. One has to wonder how many times the truth has to slap you upside your head before it figures out the way inside... Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on November 03, 2009, 09:18:47 am One has to wonder how many times the truth has to slap you upside your head before it figures out the way inside... Maybe teams like your Padres should actually start using the millions in revenue sharing/luxury tax that the Yankees pay to keep your teams in existence. How about actually using the money to field a competitive team rather then your owners lining their pockets with it? That's the truth........ Hello, owner - field a competitive team = attendence, merchandise sales. Is that rocket science or does that not make sense to you? Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on November 03, 2009, 09:43:18 am There are a lot of teams that spend, Philadelphia is one of them.
With market size comes the natural ability to have more revenue. With more revenue comes the ability to spend more. The Yankees operate in the #1 sized baseball market in MLB. They make the most and spend the most. The Yankees are playing a team that is #6 in market size and #7 in MLB in payroll. That #7 ranking is a little deceiving, they are within 2 million dollars of being in the top 5. If they pick up Lee's option at the end of this season they will be the #4 highest spending team in the league. Spending does not equal success. The Mets are the #2 highest spending team. Didn't make the playoffs. The Cubs are #3. Didn't make the playoffs. The Tigers are #5, didn't make the playoffs. Houston and Seattle were also in the top ten. When the Yankees are playing a team that is able to go out and acquire a pitcher like Cliff Lee at the deadline, something a majority of the league can't financially accomplish, the "money bags" argument doesn't hold a lot of water. Especially when that team is in the top 5-7 of MLB payroll year in and out. Just sayin'... Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on November 03, 2009, 10:32:04 am Maybe teams like your Padres should actually start using the millions in revenue sharing/luxury tax that the Yankees pay to keep your teams in existence. If you were any more of a thick-skulled idiot, you'd have to be put down for the betterment of society... Also, for the 100 billionth time, bringing up my Padres as a response to something not related to the Padres doesn't ever answer the question...it just confirms the thick-skulled nature of your idiocy. Can I get a judgment call here...would that be considered a personal attack, or just an honest assessment of a thick-skulled idiot? Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on November 03, 2009, 11:05:11 am ^When someone brings up payroll of one team it isn't completely unreasonable to talk about payroll in general.
ethurst's post was mislead..."bringing down the massive payroll machine" with...well...another massive payroll machine. It isn't like the Yankees are squaring off this year against the Marlins. They are playing a team that could easily spend what they want on payroll and are able to pick up players with ease. Anyone that has a general distaste in their mouths for the Yankees based purely on spending power needs to have a general distaste in their mouth for this World Series in general. All that said - I can understand D_B's general stance: It's easy to hate on the Yankees for spending, however none of these owners (not one) are going broke. And every one of them, without exception, could spend more. They choose not to. I think that would have been more appropriate than the single out of a team like the Padres. That was done just to get under your skin. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 03, 2009, 11:19:07 am If you were any more of a thick-skulled idiot, you'd have to be put down for the betterment of society... Also, for the 100 billionth time, bringing up my Padres as a response to something not related to the Padres doesn't ever answer the question...it just confirms the thick-skulled nature of your idiocy. Can I get a judgment call here...would that be considered a personal attack, or just an honest assessment of a thick-skulled idiot? Stroke, you're letting him get the best of you. C'mon, you know better than that. :D ^When someone brings up payroll of one team it isn't completely unreasonable to talk about payroll in general. ethurst's post was mislead..."bringing down the massive payroll machine" with...well...another massive payroll machine. It isn't like the Yankees are squaring off this year against the Marlins. They are playing a team that could easily spend what they want on payroll and are able to pick up players with ease. Anyone that has a general distaste in their mouths for the Yankees based purely on spending power needs to have a general distaste in their mouth for this World Series in general. All that said - I can understand D_B's general stance: It's easy to hate on the Yankees for spending, however none of these owners (not one) are going broke. And every one of them, without exception, could spend more. They choose not to. I think that would have been more appropriate than the single out of a team like the Padres. That was done just to get under your skin. Somebody get this message across to Jeffrey Loria as well as the Pirates and Royals owners. Maine, didn't that CBA agreement that is in effect until the end of 2011 add more revenue sharing to the pot? From what I've read, most of the small market owners are swimming in cash now. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: ethurst22 on November 03, 2009, 11:40:22 am The Yankees are the "evil" empire of the dark side. That is all!
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on November 03, 2009, 11:55:54 am Until the Yankees embrace and support a hard salary cap (with or without floor, I don't care), then I have to consider them the primary root of all baseball evil, as they perpetuate their competitive advantage by outspending teams who can't spend as much, and buy off the other teams with revenue sharing to justify the maintenance of a corrupt and iniquitous playing field for their franchise to play on. So, once again...Fuck the Yankees, fuck the Yankees fans and just to make sure we're through in our fucking, fuck anyone with a pinstriped suit. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Rick on November 03, 2009, 12:15:38 pm You guys are starting to sound like Rex Ryan with all this "evil empire" talk! :D
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on November 03, 2009, 01:43:40 pm I agree with the cap. I also think you have to have a floor, otherwise it won't work.
MLB will never have the parity that a lot of people seek, however. There is no way to cap a team's ability to spend in other areas, including scouting, over sea talent, etc. So major market teams will almost always have that advantage. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on November 03, 2009, 01:49:34 pm ^^^ I disagree a bit... If you put a cap on what a team can spend on players, then I believe the top end will level out rather quickly. My Padres have a great base for scouting and player development in Latin America, despite being one of the lower payroll clubs. Sure, the Yankees could spend more to build a bigger better facility, but if they can't outspend the small market clubs on free agents, then I really think you'd start seeing some of that parity. Until there is a salary cap though, the Yankees will remain the evil manipulative egomaniacal blue-blooded bastards of the baseball world. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 03, 2009, 02:18:56 pm I agree with the cap. I also think you have to have a floor, otherwise it won't work. MLB will never have the parity that a lot of people seek, however. There is no way to cap a team's ability to spend in other areas, including scouting, over sea talent, etc. So major market teams will almost always have that advantage. I also agree with a salary cap and salary floor. But it will never happen in MLB. The Player's Union is too strong and will never go for it. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on November 03, 2009, 02:24:51 pm Not really and the reason why is the amount of time a young player is under a club's control for cheap. San Diego's system can't be that great, they are not producing talent at a rate that would be needed to succeed under a system that capped spending.
Bill Gayton is all but out as scouting director based on his not so great effort as of late. Moorad just went on the record last week saying he is very disappointed in the status of the Padres farm system. This past year a lot of the kids were pushed on the MLB scene quickly -- and did okay -- so that system certainly isn't as bad at Baseball America's 29th of 30th ranking... But I wouldn't sit back and be too comfortable with the youngsters coming up. The players that they do have are deep in the system and years away from contributing to San Diego's success, like Castro. Last year's draft had me scratching my head a little in some of the players they passed up. Under a hard cap you would need to field over half of your team from your system and draft. Taking a look at San Diego's roster as it is right now you would be able to keep Adrian Gonzalez and Kevin Kouzmanoff but would lose a lot of the other starting players in your field. You probably would not be able to afford Bell come arbitration, so you would need someone ready to take his slot. Looking at San Diego's system right now I don't see 12-13 guys I could pluck out of there and put on the MLB roster and produce at a high level in 2011. Do you? I expect that to change, especially if the Padres hire Hoyer as the GM (which I am willing to bet they will). I think you might see someone like Gonzalez traded for the exact reason of obtaining 3-4 prospects of A level talent. I am not seeing this overwhelming success at the farm system that you seem to. If a cap went into place for the 2011 season the Padres would be in tough shape for a bit. My point? There are teams out scouting and out hustling smaller market teams for the diamonds in the rough. For every David Price out there you'll find 5 Jake Peavy type players. Texas is full of prospects that grade out to B or A status that were low round draft choices and almost no front end money. Those are guys that Texas will have on the books at small salaries for 5-6 years before they have to worry about a large payday. Wow am I rambling... Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on November 03, 2009, 03:16:07 pm Sabotaged thread!
YANKEES WORLD CHAMPS tomorrow night! ;D Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Dave Gray on November 03, 2009, 03:43:26 pm I really, really, REALLY hope that the MLB incorporates a salary cap. (Ceiling and floor preferred.)
You just can't have these small market teams build any kind of legacy (not even winning legacy, but any kind of stability) without it. It's hard to have the faces change every year. The community just can't rally behind a totally new roster every year. In turn, you can't market the team logo -- you need the player personalities, too, and you just don't have that now on these struggling teams. The Yankees would still be the Yankees -- they'd have their diehard, broad fanbase, the best scouts in the business, a great facility, the "honor" of playing in the pinstripes, etc. ...but it would give the other teams a chance to become that, as well. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: StL FinFan on November 03, 2009, 05:14:33 pm I live in a small market (I think) and my team has a great legacy. Of course, they've been around since 1892.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 03, 2009, 05:35:38 pm I live in a small market (I think) and my team has a great legacy. Of course, they've been around since 1892. And they have won the second most World Series titles next to the Yankees Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on November 03, 2009, 06:35:21 pm The Yankees would still be the Yankees -- they'd have their diehard, broad fanbase, the best scouts in the business, a great facility, the "honor" of playing in the pinstripes, etc. ...but it would give the other teams a chance to become that, as well. Therein lies the reason that the Yankees will never embrace a salary cap, and will continue to hold the league cash-hostage in perpetuity. They don't want other teams to grow...they enjoy being the one with the keys to the vault. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: dolphantom on November 04, 2009, 04:34:43 pm Until the Yankees embrace and support a hard salary cap (with or without floor, I don't care), then I have to consider them the primary root of all baseball evil, as they perpetuate their competitive advantage by outspending teams who can't spend as much, and buy off the other teams with revenue sharing to justify the maintenance of a corrupt and iniquitous playing field for their franchise to play on. So, once again...Fuck the Yankees, fuck the Yankees fans and just to make sure we're through in our fucking, fuck anyone with a pinstriped suit. all the money in the world can't guarantee a winning season. the yanks have proved that. too many egos can be damaging to a team's chemistry. the money issue, although a valid point, really does not make them win. dont get me wrong, it sure as shit helps, but winning is more than just having the top players. gotta have chemistry. when people come to play for the yankees, they seem to play with more pride. the tradition maybe, i dont know. but the yanks had lots of home grown talent over the years.........jeter, posada, cabrera, bernie, pettite, riviera , gardner, cano , mattingly, hughes, joba, just to name a few. i get your point , but its just like the cowboys and jerry jones. eveyone hates the cowboys because they are bottomless and they win. God knows i do. but all it comes down to is sour grapes . Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on November 04, 2009, 04:49:20 pm Sorry, Phantom, but it isn't like the Cowboys at all, as the NFL has a hard salary cap. And I get tired of the "money doesn't buy you championships" argument as well, because money DOES buy you talent, and talent wins world series. That's like two guys lining up for a 100 yard sprint, one guy jumps a half second early and says "just because I got a headstart doesn't mean I'm going to win." Of course it doesn't...but it sure as all hell increases your chances. Yankees = evil Non-capped professional sports league = unfair These are not issues to debate, as much as they are truths to behold. Viva la Senior Circuit!! Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on November 04, 2009, 09:42:12 pm LOL! Another nice call, huh? ;) ;DFor some odd reason Matsui loves to hit against Pedro. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: SCFinfan on November 05, 2009, 12:01:58 am Woohoo! 27, baby!
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Dave Gray on November 05, 2009, 12:07:26 am This is such a sham. Baseball is embarrassing.
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Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 05, 2009, 12:34:06 am This is such a sham. Baseball is embarrassing. Sham?? Give me a break Dave. Of the 27 World Series the Yankees have won, only 7 of them have come under the Steinbrenner family's ownership. I don't remember the Yankees buying players back in the 30's 40's and 50's. That type of stuff didn't happen in those days. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: dolphantom on November 05, 2009, 12:41:26 am This is such a sham. Baseball is embarrassing. more sour grapes...........comon man, you gotta admit they earned it. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: dolphantom on November 05, 2009, 12:51:43 am Sorry, Phantom, but it isn't like the Cowboys at all, as the NFL has a hard salary cap. And I get tired of the "money doesn't buy you championships" argument as well, because money DOES buy you talent, and talent wins world series. That's like two guys lining up for a 100 yard sprint, one guy jumps a half second early and says "just because I got a headstart doesn't mean I'm going to win." Of course it doesn't...but it sure as all hell increases your chances. i'm not saying youre wrong........i just think that talent can get you so far. you need management, and team chemistry to win. every player, superstar or scrub has to play as one. witthout that, talent is useless. talent is just a piece of the puzzle. a piece that i have to admit, the yankees have the upper hand on. but on the other hand, if having talent were all it took, the yanks would win every year....and they dontYankees = evil Non-capped professional sports league = unfair These are not issues to debate, as much as they are truths to behold. Viva la Senior Circuit!! Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on November 05, 2009, 04:08:41 am This is such a sham. Baseball is embarrassing. :'( :'( :'(;D Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: FashionSoxGirl on November 05, 2009, 05:38:13 am ^^^ He could have said what Jeter and most of the Yankees said...."it's gonna be a tough series". Instead Rollins was planning his outfit for the victory celebration. Maybe he's just girly. :-* I would always plan an outfit for something that important. (Higher on list than a speech for say an awards ceremony.) Fuck the Yankees That is all... Yankees suck! Not in talent but in spirit. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on November 05, 2009, 09:07:20 am I don't remember the Yankees buying players back in the 30's 40's and 50's. That type of stuff didn't happen in those days. I wonder...do you ever think, before opening your mouth, "is this right?" Time and time again there things coming off your fingers and into this message board that truly make me wonder. The Yankees didn't buy players in the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's? Son, you need to do some research. Babe Ruth was not traded. He was not signed by the Yankees as a free agent. They didn't draft him. They didn't discover him on some sand lot playing with his friends. They BOUGHT HIM. 1919. But it goes deeper than that. He was signed originally in 1913 by Baltimore. Then he was sold to the Red Sox. Then he was sold to the Yankees. Yep, Babe Ruth started his career as an O. He wasn't some marginal "who is this guy" player in 1919 when the Red Sox sold him. He was the best pitcher in the game, hands down. A pitcher, by the way, that could hit. Make A Rod a 18 game winning pitcher along with what he does now. And then you get what Babe was in his day. So, let's start there. The Yankees had never won a damn thing until they BOUGHT Babe Ruth. They won their first in 1923, three years after Babe made his 1920 debut. "The Yankee Clipper?" You know, a little guy named DiMaggio? Purchased for $25,000 (and five players) from the San Francisco Seals in 1933. He made his debut in 1936. The Yankees hadn't won a World Series since 1932 at this point. After DiMaggio's debut they won the next four. In 1947 the Red Sox and Yankees had a deal in place to send Ted Williams to the Yankees in exchange for DiMaggio. When Boston insisted Yogi Berra be included the deal was killed. Yep, the Yankees almost had Ted freakin' Williams. 1952 - The Kansas City A's traded Roger Maris to the Yankees. Back in the 50's the A's were accused of being the Yankees personal farm league. Any time the A's had a good player the Yankees wanted...the swooped in and grabbed him. Along with breaking a certain home run record, Maris was a pretty damned good player. Gold glove winner, AL MVP, etc. The Yankees obtained Maris for what turned out to be a melting pot of average, at best, players. The Yankees needed a power bat with a good outfield glove. So they went out and got him. So I guess that kind of covers the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's, yes? The Yankees have always - and I mean ALWAYS - been notorious for going out and getting what they need. Either by flat out buying the player or a lopsided trade. Case in point the Joe D / Ted Williams trade. Joe D was at the end of his career and the Yankees needed to sweeten the pot for up and comer Ted Williams. But they wouldn't...so the Sox walked. Most teams didn't. The Yankees would flash some cash and a handful of bad players for one stud and the team would drool, grab the money, say "thanks" and run the other way. So, please...let's not romanticize the Yankees as a franchise that only started wheeling and dealing with Cleveland George took over the team. Mkay? 'Cuz it just ain't true. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Dave Gray on November 05, 2009, 02:21:07 pm They earned it?
Are you kidding? They just buy the most talent from other teams. It's a total joke. They have the highest payroll every single year. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on November 05, 2009, 02:37:00 pm The Yankees spent $450 million on free agents this past offseason alone...I would certainly hope they can win with that sort of expense account. To put that $450 million free agent spending spree into perspective, it is $75 million more than the combined 2009 payrolls of the 4 NL Playoff teams (Dodgers-Phillies-Cardinals-Rockies) Sure, MLB has a fair and balanced system...as long as you live in New York and own the Yankees. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: dolphantom on November 05, 2009, 04:19:15 pm They earned it? like i've been saying , you can buy the whole 1927 yankee team, it does not guarantee a win. its a TEAM sport.there has to be comraderie (did i spell that right?) and , yes, they've earned it. this year everyone contributed in a team effort. some of it was bought, yes, but they still have to click as a team.Are you kidding? They just buy the most talent from other teams. It's a total joke. They have the highest payroll every single year. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: dolphantom on November 05, 2009, 04:31:15 pm The Yankees spent $450 million on free agents this past offseason alone...I would certainly hope they can win with that sort of expense account. i agree with you on this point. there should be a cap . i also hate free agency. i beleive in the farm system, and hate importing foreigners to play in the mlb, when there is plenty of homegrown talent in the U.S.. what you and i hate about the yankee spending is bigger than just one team. the whole sports scene in this country is way out of control. the salaries, the steroids, the lack of respect for the sport and the opportunity to play in the bigs.. such as life. it sucks , but its life......To put that $450 million free agent spending spree into perspective, it is $75 million more than the combined 2009 payrolls of the 4 NL Playoff teams (Dodgers-Phillies-Cardinals-Rockies) Sure, MLB has a fair and balanced system...as long as you live in New York and own the Yankees. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 07, 2009, 02:13:29 pm I wonder...do you ever think, before opening your mouth, "is this right?" Time and time again there things coming off your fingers and into this message board that truly make me wonder. The Yankees didn't buy players in the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's? Son, you need to do some research. Babe Ruth was not traded. He was not signed by the Yankees as a free agent. They didn't draft him. They didn't discover him on some sand lot playing with his friends. They BOUGHT HIM. 1919. But it goes deeper than that. He was signed originally in 1913 by Baltimore. Then he was sold to the Red Sox. Then he was sold to the Yankees. Yep, Babe Ruth started his career as an O. He wasn't some marginal "who is this guy" player in 1919 when the Red Sox sold him. He was the best pitcher in the game, hands down. A pitcher, by the way, that could hit. Make A Rod a 18 game winning pitcher along with what he does now. And then you get what Babe was in his day. So, let's start there. The Yankees had never won a damn thing until they BOUGHT Babe Ruth. They won their first in 1923, three years after Babe made his 1920 debut. "The Yankee Clipper?" You know, a little guy named DiMaggio? Purchased for $25,000 (and five players) from the San Francisco Seals in 1933. He made his debut in 1936. The Yankees hadn't won a World Series since 1932 at this point. After DiMaggio's debut they won the next four. In 1947 the Red Sox and Yankees had a deal in place to send Ted Williams to the Yankees in exchange for DiMaggio. When Boston insisted Yogi Berra be included the deal was killed. Yep, the Yankees almost had Ted freakin' Williams. 1952 - The Kansas City A's traded Roger Maris to the Yankees. Back in the 50's the A's were accused of being the Yankees personal farm league. Any time the A's had a good player the Yankees wanted...the swooped in and grabbed him. Along with breaking a certain home run record, Maris was a pretty damned good player. Gold glove winner, AL MVP, etc. The Yankees obtained Maris for what turned out to be a melting pot of average, at best, players. The Yankees needed a power bat with a good outfield glove. So they went out and got him. So I guess that kind of covers the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's, yes? The Yankees have always - and I mean ALWAYS - been notorious for going out and getting what they need. Either by flat out buying the player or a lopsided trade. Case in point the Joe D / Ted Williams trade. Joe D was at the end of his career and the Yankees needed to sweeten the pot for up and comer Ted Williams. But they wouldn't...so the Sox walked. Most teams didn't. The Yankees would flash some cash and a handful of bad players for one stud and the team would drool, grab the money, say "thanks" and run the other way. So, please...let's not romanticize the Yankees as a franchise that only started wheeling and dealing with Cleveland George took over the team. Mkay? 'Cuz it just ain't true. OK. I was wrong, I'll admit that. I don't remember the Yankees buying players back in those days because I WASN'T AROUND THEN and neither were you. :D Now on a more serious note. Don't blame the Yankees, blame the system. It's going to be like this until baseball institutes a salary cap, and as long as the MLB Players Union is the way it is, that won't happen. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: dolphantom on November 07, 2009, 04:40:50 pm can't blame the steinbrenner family for being efficient businessmen. they know how to manipulate the system and make the right moves. theo epstein is another business prodigy.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on November 07, 2009, 06:13:27 pm They earned it? I thought they actually played games. Maybe I am wrong. Do they just hand out championships based on payroll now?Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on November 07, 2009, 10:20:37 pm I thought they actually played games. Maybe I am wrong. Do they just hand out championships based on payroll now? ^^^ By far and away, the lamest and most common response given by Yankees fans when confronted with the corrupt nature of the Yankees financial relationship with major league baseball. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Tenshot13 on November 07, 2009, 10:23:35 pm All Yankee fans are jaggoffs.
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 08, 2009, 12:46:16 am ^^^ By far and away, the lamest and most common response given by Yankees fans when confronted with the corrupt nature of the Yankees financial relationship with major league baseball. By far and away, the lamest and most common response given by fans of small market teams. The Yankees don't have any financial RELATIONSHIP with MLB. The SYSTEM allows them to do what they do. If they're willing to pay the luxury tax that lines the pocket of the owners of small market teams, so be it. Until the system is changed, this is how it's going to be. Get used to it. "Get used to it!!!! It's the way of the world!!!!" ~ Dr. Napier in Lean On Me. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: bsmooth on November 08, 2009, 01:53:30 am So fuck the small market teams? We should jump on the bandwagons of bigger teams?
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 08, 2009, 07:57:05 am So fuck the small market teams? We should jump on the bandwagons of bigger teams? I didn't say that. Read my post above. Anyone who hates on the Yankees or other big spending teams should be hating on the system that allows those teams to spend big. Small market teams can and will win a World Series (2003 Marlins). Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on November 08, 2009, 08:21:35 am I didn't say that. Read my post above. Anyone who hates on the Yankees or other big spending teams should be hating on the system that allows those teams to spend big. Small market teams can and will win a World Series (2003 Marlins). Didn't you hear about how MLB forced the Marlins to give the Yankees the championship in 2003 because the Yankees had a higher payroll? ;)Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on November 08, 2009, 08:23:21 am All Yankee fans are jaggoffs. All Yankee haters are even bigger jaggoffs. Hating on a team for playing by the rules is retarded and pathetic and shows what sore losers you are.Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Denver_Bronco on November 08, 2009, 08:24:28 am So fuck the small market teams? We should jump on the bandwagons of bigger teams? No, you just should stop watching baseball all together. Apparently your team has no chance, so why watch, right?Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on November 08, 2009, 09:17:49 am The Yankees don't have any financial RELATIONSHIP with MLB. The SYSTEM allows them to do what they do. Ignorance isn't bliss...it's still ignorance. The Yankees control "the system" and will not allow any changes to "the system" because the system is set up to give them a competitive advantage. Until Yankees fans recognize this reality, arguing with them (to borrow my own quote from elsewhere) is like explaining to a child with ADD why they can't keep a candy bar they shoplifted at the store...you simply aren't equipped to "get it." A hard salary cap is the only way to make the game of baseball fair to all teams. Period...end of story. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 08, 2009, 09:19:14 am Ignorance isn't bliss...it's still ignorance. The Yankees control "the system" and will not allow any changes to "the system" because the system is set up to give them a competitive advantage. Until Yankees fans recognize this reality, arguing with them (to borrow my own quote from elsewhere) is like explaining to a child with ADD why they can't keep a candy bar they shoplifted at the store...you simply aren't equipped to "get it." A hard salary cap is the only way to make the game of baseball fair to all teams. Period...end of story. No team has any control over the system. The system was agreed upon by the owners and the Players Union. The Players Union will never go for a salary cap, although I do agree that a hard cap is the only way. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Tenshot13 on November 08, 2009, 12:11:26 pm All Yankee haters are even bigger jaggoffs. Hating on a team for playing by the rules is retarded and pathetic and shows what sore losers you are. Don't get so butthurt about the whole thing D_B. I don't hate the Yankees because they do or don't play by the rules. I hate the Yankees because they're the Yankees, and their fans are a bunch of jaggoffs. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: bsmooth on November 08, 2009, 06:45:48 pm My team has the second most titles to the Yanks, and until a few days ago had won as many titles as the Yanks this decade
Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Dave Gray on November 08, 2009, 11:15:58 pm No team has any control over the system. The system was agreed upon by the owners and the Players Union. The Players Union will never go for a salary cap, although I do agree that a hard cap is the only way. The Yankees, specifically, have threatened legal action in opposition to a salary cap, when proposed by ownership of the Red Sox and Brewers. If you weren't a fan of the Yankees, you wouldn't feel this way -- stop lying to yourself. The Yankees are completely unethical. They're doing the equivalent of slash and burn. It's not healthy for a league when one team wins the championship a quarter of the time and consistently outspends the competition by miles. It is ruining the league. Nothing is just the way it is. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 09, 2009, 07:25:47 am The Yankees, specifically, have threatened legal action in opposition to a salary cap, when proposed by ownership of the Red Sox and Brewers. I don't remember this happening. Have any news article links? Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: Sunstroke on November 09, 2009, 09:17:07 am I don't remember this happening. Have any news article links? I'm not up for doing homework for lazy Yankees fans... Google "Yankees threaten legal action over salary cap" and I'm sure you can find the truth that you appear to be conveniently forgetting. Title: Re: Official 2009 World Series thread Post by: MaineDolFan on November 09, 2009, 09:26:40 am Thread has run it's course. It is now locked, thanks for playing! :)
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