Title: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: Phishfan on October 28, 2009, 03:19:09 pm http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33509369/ns/sports-other_sports/
I know most of us feel the same way whenever we read it. Now it has happened though. Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: Dave Gray on October 28, 2009, 03:46:41 pm Tommy's position is moronic.
Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on October 28, 2009, 04:46:43 pm ^^^^^
Hopefully this opens the floodgates for it to happen at the NFL level. Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: Dave Gray on October 28, 2009, 05:18:25 pm Tommy, are you just stirring the pot, or are you serious?
Do you really want players to take violent action against the refs? Not only is it assault, which would (and should) get you thrown in jail, but it would also be extremely ineffective, as refs would be hesitant to throw flags when they should. Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: raptorsfan29 on October 28, 2009, 05:29:32 pm as refs would be hesitant to throw flags when they should. They already are. Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: bsmooth on October 28, 2009, 05:34:25 pm ^^^^^ Hopefully this opens the floodgates for it to happen at the NFL level. It will also open up roster spots as any player who does this will more than likely be banished from the NFL Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on October 28, 2009, 09:40:58 pm Tommy, are you just stirring the pot, or are you serious? Do you really want players to take violent action against the refs? Not only is it assault, which would (and should) get you thrown in jail, but it would also be extremely ineffective, as refs would be hesitant to throw flags when they should. I'm DEAD serious. Refs need to learn that bogus calls cannot and will not be tolerated in sports. Already in the past two weeks, I've seen enough of them to last a lifetime, at the college level and pro level. Refs are corruptable and can be bought. Former NBA ref Tim Doneghy already proved that. The question is, for every Tim Doneghy, how many other refs are calling games based on bribes or personal vendettas against certain players/teams. I applaud what this player did, and if I were him, I would then hold a press conference imploring other players to do the same thing. If the refs start to fear that making a bogus call could result in grevious bodily harm, they won't do it. Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: Denver_Bronco on October 28, 2009, 09:55:10 pm That's a pretty retarded statement Tommy.
Yeah, let's intimidate referees into not doing their jobs.......... ::) You act as if it's an easy job to be a referee. I am sure that you would never, ever blow or miss a call if you were one. Nothing in this story has anything to do with the ref being paid to make phantom calls, or states otherwise that he was blatantly making bad calls. Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: dolphins4life on October 28, 2009, 10:28:12 pm It's a ridiculous idea. Punching ANYBODY in the face for making a mistake in their job is inexcusable. Otherwise, I would have left Shire all blooded and bruised after my first weeks. (It took me a while, but I eventually became an effective employee for them)
Anyway, about the officiating on Sunday: There was not a single call in that game that was flat-wrong. The Bess fumble, and the catch by the receiver at the goal line were correct calls. The one call that looked bad was the Sharper return, but even that was close enough so that it was not blatantly wrong. The Dolphins lost because they sucked in the second half. BTW, Tommy, when you played in high school, did you ever punch a ref in the face? If so, what happened afterwards? Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: stinkfish on October 28, 2009, 10:41:20 pm "Bad" calls are part of the game.
Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on October 28, 2009, 10:57:51 pm BTW, Tommy, when you played in high school, did you ever punch a ref in the face? If so, what happened afterwards? No, I did not. Then again, I was never the victim of a bad call. I've berated officials before but nothing ever came of it. "Bad" calls are part of the game. An occasional one here and there, maybe, but seven in one game?? Give me a break. Another example was back in the early part of this decade when the Miami Heat were playing really bad (pre Dwayne Wade era). Riley was complaining that the Heat were often victims of bad calls. One time, an official walked up to Pat Riley and said, "It brings me absolute delight to watch you and your team die." Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: bsmooth on October 28, 2009, 11:11:28 pm I'm DEAD serious. Refs need to learn that bogus calls cannot and will not be tolerated in sports. Already in the past two weeks, I've seen enough of them to last a lifetime, at the college level and pro level. Refs are corruptable and can be bought. Former NBA ref Tim Doneghy already proved that. The question is, for every Tim Doneghy, how many other refs are calling games based on bribes or personal vendettas against certain players/teams. I applaud what this player did, and if I were him, I would then hold a press conference imploring other players to do the same thing. If the refs start to fear that making a bogus call could result in grevious bodily harm, they won't do it. So to be clear, your stance is that it is not only ok for a player to commit a serious crime against an official a weapon because of a bad call, but it is their duty as players to keep the game fair? Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on October 29, 2009, 02:02:54 pm So to be clear, your stance is that it is not only ok for a player to commit a serious crime against an official a weapon because of a bad call, but it is their duty as players to keep the game fair? Punching an official should not be considered a crime. If players punch each other on the field and nobody ever gets charged with a crime, why should punching an official be any different. And yes, if the players feel they are not having a fair chance to win the game, they should make it their duty to keep the game fair. Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence: "When a form of government becomes destructive, it is the right of the people to stand up and alter or abolish it". Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: Sunstroke on October 29, 2009, 02:38:19 pm Punching an official should not be considered a crime. Stupidest thing I've read all day... Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence: "When a form of government becomes destructive, it is the right of the people to stand up and alter or abolish it". Using this to support punching football referees in the face beats the previous statement for inherent stupidity. Congratulations... You've outdone yourself. Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: Dave Gray on October 29, 2009, 02:41:01 pm I can't respond to this thread without violating my own rules on personal attacks.
Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: Spider-Dan on October 29, 2009, 03:37:23 pm There was not a single call in that game that was flat-wrong. The Bess fumble, and the catch by the receiver at the goal line were correct calls. The goal line catch was wrong. It was originally ruled a touchdown, and was overturned.Furthermore, had they actually made the correct call (down at the 1/2yard line), the clock would have ran out. That bad call cost us 7 points. Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: Spider-Dan on October 29, 2009, 03:38:55 pm I'm DEAD serious. Refs need to learn that bogus calls cannot and will not be tolerated in sports. Already in the past two weeks, I've seen enough of them to last a lifetime, at the college level and pro level. What about when the ref makes a correct (but unpopular) call? Should the ref in the OAK-NE game have been punched for correctly applying the tuck rule?Refs are corruptable and can be bought. Former NBA ref Tim Doneghy already proved that. The question is, for every Tim Doneghy, how many other refs are calling games based on bribes or personal vendettas against certain players/teams. I applaud what this player did, and if I were him, I would then hold a press conference imploring other players to do the same thing. If the refs start to fear that making a bogus call could result in grevious bodily harm, they won't do it. Your "system" encourages anarchy and mob rule. It is completely absurd. Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: bsmooth on October 29, 2009, 04:09:18 pm Punching an official should not be considered a crime. If players punch each other on the field and nobody ever gets charged with a crime, why should punching an official be any different. And yes, if the players feel they are not having a fair chance to win the game, they should make it their duty to keep the game fair. Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence: "When a form of government becomes destructive, it is the right of the people to stand up and alter or abolish it". The example you are using as a rallying cry has a player assaulting the ref with a weapon (i.e. a helmet) and inflicting serious enough injuries that he will face several years in prison. So what if a player attacks a ref for a call he believes is unfair, and it turns out to have been the wrong call? Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: Brian Fein on October 29, 2009, 05:08:29 pm I love how Tommy thinks physical harm is the only way to "teach someone a lesson"
Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: Sunstroke on October 29, 2009, 05:15:14 pm I love how Tommy thinks physical harm is the only way to "teach someone a lesson" Strictly from a psych standpoint, that can be an indicator of someone who took repetitive beatings as a child, and not just "random stranger" beatings, but physical abuse from a person that the child respected, whether parent, teacher or other authority figure. Not saying that has anything to do with Tommy, just saying it would be a consideration in a basic psychological exam. Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: Tenshot13 on October 29, 2009, 06:20:43 pm The only time it's okay for a ref to be physically harmed by players, is in Mutant League Football for the Sega Genesis. KILL THE REF!
Title: Re: So much for the punch a ref in the face plan Post by: bsmooth on October 29, 2009, 07:45:07 pm You know after thinking about it, I think it would be a great plan. Have a bench player distract/take out the ref, and then an extra group of players can run onto the field with chairs and attack the other team. Then when the ref comes too, he will have to forfiet the other team as they do not have enough healthy players to continue the game. It is sheer brilliance.
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