Title: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: Dave Gray on November 12, 2009, 09:01:15 pm I saw somewhere the other day where someone was hypothesizing about LeBron joining D-Wade in Miami. I thought it was probably just the normal BS of homers hoping to get another superstar -- in other words, it's going on in every NBA city. However, today on PTI, Kornheiser also mentioned it as a scenario he could see playing out. Does anyone know if this is based on anything at all? Why is Miami even in the mix, if this is, indeed, true?
Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 12, 2009, 09:07:23 pm I don't believe it for one bit. Next year, I expect to see either Lebron and either Dwayne Wade or Chris Bosch in Knicks uniforms.
Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: Fau Teixeira on November 12, 2009, 11:34:30 pm not a chance the knicks sign anyone of any importance .. they have no appeal .. they're the clippers of the east coast
Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: Sunstroke on November 13, 2009, 01:48:43 am It's based on Miami being the only team in play that has the reasonable room to do two max contracts, plus the appeal of the S FL market and Dwyane and LeBron's friendship. Like any rumor, I'm skeptical, but wouldn't that be supremely cool to see? Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: Dave Gray on November 13, 2009, 01:54:15 am Like any rumor, I'm skeptical, but wouldn't that be supremely cool to see? I'm a HEAT fan, but absolutely yes. I think the closest thing would've been Jordan/Pippen, except this would be more Jordan/Jordan. Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 13, 2009, 11:23:17 am not a chance the knicks sign anyone of any importance .. they have no appeal .. they're the clippers of the east coast No appeal eh? Playing basketball in a big media market where you can get a bunch of lucrative endorsements has no appeal?? Not too long ago this team was contending for a title. Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: Sunstroke on November 13, 2009, 11:40:33 am I agree...New York just can't look too good to any player interested in winning at this point. As far as the "lucrative endorsements" go, this is the 21st century we're living in, and you can do that sort of thing from "anywhere." Factor in the whole "New York is evil and will taint your soul" argument, and the Knicks biggest stars the next few seasons are likely to be David Lee and Wilson Chandler. Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: Dave Gray on November 13, 2009, 11:43:02 am Not too long ago this team was contending for a title. When was that? Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: Fau Teixeira on November 13, 2009, 12:02:58 pm No appeal eh? Playing basketball in a big media market where you can get a bunch of lucrative endorsements has no appeal?? Not too long ago this team was contending for a title. Name one endorsement that they can get in new york that they can't get in miami .. or in south dakota ? .. nike ? gatorade ? T Mobile ? With global media, the internet and marketing today there are no major endorsements anybody is giving up. He'd be passing up the opportunity to endorse broadway camera on 46th street .. give me a break .. the new york arguments for bringing in free agents are a joke .. that team is a joke .. they're the bottom feeders of the NBA and have been for a long time. They have no relevance to the sport. The owner is a joke, their front office is horrible. They might as well fold the team and demolish the pit they call an arena. Horrible city, horrible team, horrible fans. The clippers of the east. Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: Dave Gray on November 13, 2009, 12:43:52 pm There are some teams where it's harder to become a global Superstar. New York definitely helps in that respect, as opposed to Portland or Minnesota. However, I think that Miami is one of the cities that can help, there. It's not quite a NY, Chicago, or Boston, but it's got a uniqueness about it that's appealing.
Talk about endorsements, though -- can you imagine the kind of publicity and endorsements Lebron and Wade would see if they played on the same court? It would be crazy. Think how much coverage Shaq and Kobe got both during and even after they played together. I would respect Lebron for staying in Cleveland, since I appreciate team loyalty and I think that guys who manage to stay their whole career in one place are all the more special. But, if he has to leave, I think that Miami is a great market for him. NY lacks the ownership and it's not like you have all that much to work with in NY as it is. The best thing going for NY in terms of landing Lebron is that he just likes the city. Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: Phishfan on November 13, 2009, 01:40:45 pm Not too long ago this team was contending for a title. Proof point that time and age are relative. Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 13, 2009, 02:05:54 pm When was that? Thoughout the 90's and the earlier part of this decade. Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: Dave Gray on November 13, 2009, 04:35:19 pm That was almost 10 years ago, in a league that lets in half of their teams into the playoffs.
Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on November 13, 2009, 05:30:30 pm That was almost 10 years ago, in a league that lets in half of their teams into the playoffs. Still, in order to win, the Knicks need to get back to that philosophy..... DEFENSE FIRST. They need to build their team around a Patrick Ewing-like center and strong rebounders. As long as Mike D'Antoni is the coach, that will never happen. He'll win some games and put some asses in the seats but he'll never win a title with the type of team he runs. Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: NADS on November 16, 2009, 01:02:03 am Say what you want about endorsements anywhere, but I agree with Fau. Miami is Miami but New York is New Yawk! It's the greatest fucking place on earth from what I hear. I don't recall seeing LeBron at a Marlins game. Also, I've said this before and I'll surely say it again, Kornheiser is a shithead.
Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: EDGECRUSHER on November 16, 2009, 02:27:20 am not a chance the knicks sign anyone of any importance .. they have no appeal .. they're the clippers of the east coast Looking less and less likely that the Knicks will get Lebron or anybody. Pretty much every team can offer the same salary, so why would Lebron go to a potential 15 win team? I don't think he will go to Milwaukee or anything crazy like that. It will be a major market, but the Knicks are just in so much disarray. Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: NADS on November 16, 2009, 03:27:20 pm If Lebron ends up in NY the Knicks can build the team around him. It would surely take a few years but the Cavs weren't doing squat before he showed up. Probably the same in Chicago before Jordan--I'm no NBA buff. I think the odds are better for King James to end up in NY if the Cavs win it all this year. Maybe then he'd be up for a rebuilding project.
Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: jtex316 on November 19, 2009, 10:35:29 am If Lebron ends up in NY the Knicks can build the team around him. It would surely take a few years but the Cavs weren't doing squat before he showed up. Probably the same in Chicago before Jordan--I'm no NBA buff. I think the odds are better for King James to end up in NY if the Cavs win it all this year. Maybe then he'd be up for a rebuilding project. LeBron's ego isn't up for a Rebuilding project or being mired in obscurity in a 15-20 win team. Also Mike D'antoni's style offense does not suit Lebron James - Lebron needs more isolation and sideline triangle schemes to be successful. D'Antoni's offense needs a strong point guard, and nate robinson or whichever bum they use now isn't that. Chris Paul would be good in New York - not LeBron James. But yeah - LeBron riding D-Wade's coat-tails? That's kinda like A-rod coming to the yankees to play on Derek Jeter's team :) Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: Sunstroke on November 19, 2009, 10:45:54 am ^^^ Right now Chris Duhon is starting for the Knicks at the point. D'Antoni had the perfect PG for his system when he was in Phoenix, but Kerr, Sarver and D'Antoni's egos couldn't all fit together inside the arena, so off D'Antoni went... Suns are tied with the surging young Hawks for the best record in the NBA, which means only one thing...it's too damned early in the season for records to mean much. I am impressed with the way Phoenix has played on the road so far though, 6-2 with good wins at Miami, Boston and Houston. Eight of the Suns 12 opponents so far have had winning records as well, and we're 6-2 against those squads, which means more to me at this point than the overall record. Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: ethurst22 on November 19, 2009, 01:02:17 pm He'll end up with the Lakers or Celtics. Isn't that the way that things always happen in the NBA?
Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: JVides on November 23, 2009, 04:04:34 pm Name one endorsement that they can get in new york that they can't get in miami .. or in south dakota ? .. nike ? gatorade ? T Mobile ? With global media, the internet and marketing today there are no major endorsements anybody is giving up. I have heard of endorsements that have kicker clauses for athletes that play in large markets like NY or LA, and that makes sense to me. If you're an excellent player but play for San Antonio (say, Tim Duncan), there's a ceiling for how much product you're going to move, due to the fact that as far as number of fans go, San Antonio is extremely limited. Move Tim Duncan to the Lakers, however, and not only would true Lakers fans be snapping up jerseys, but so would poser fans the world over. The large market and name recognition associated with the Lakers allows for you to move more merchandise, be it sneakers, or jerseys, or mobile phones, or bottles of Gatorade. Better for the distributor, better for the athlete, meaning larger endorsement deals. I totally buy into the larger endorsement dollars for large-market stars theory. Title: Re: LeBron to the Heat? Post by: DZA on November 25, 2009, 08:25:51 pm im a heat fan but im not sure if it will happen
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