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Dear Pat Bowel and / or Josh McDaniels:

Please find enclosed the Miami Dolphins' #1 pick in the upcoming 2010 National Football League draft.  We have also included a case of Tuck's Medicated Wipes (we're sure that part of your body is really sore after the ramming you took over the last half of the 2009 season).  We're also including an assortment of Ted Ginn Junior bobble head dolls.  We're not sure what to do with them, either.

In return please package up Brandon Marshall and mail him to the following address:

Land Shark / Dolphin Stadium
Attention: Bill Parcells
2269 Dan Marino Boulevard
Miami Gardens, FL 33056

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
The Miami Dolphins.

I agree here.  Despite him not getting along with the coach, he caught over 100 passes.  The guy is a stud. 

If we can unload Ted Ginn or Patrick Turner (or both) and a #2 instead of a #1, that would be nice too. 

No receiver is worth trading a #1 for.  And if there was one, it isn't Brandon Marshall.

If Randy Moss and Terrell Owens can be traded for #2s in the prime of their careers, why the hell would MIA give up a #1 for Marshall?

^^^ Word...If he Wants out of Denver so much,Why Lay down and offer a 1st for the head case....

Not sure I would be willing to shell out the number 12 pick in the draft for a guy who may be a "problem child".   But I like your post and the humor was outstanding.  Tucks pads, hehehe.

I think Marshall would be an excellent pick up for the Giants. I can see them making a run at him.

I'm not big on bringing Marshall in and definitely not for a number 1 pick.

does he like handguns ?

Yes, and he loves sweatpants too.

The G-men have one of the deepest WR groups in the entire league...I just don't see them making any trades or moves for any FA receivers at all this season.

Let me get this straight -

You guys are telling me that a team with a track record of drafting guys like Ted Ginn Junior with a middle of the pack round 1 pick shouldn't "take a risk" with a young, and proven, stud?

They are going to donkey screw away this pick anyway on some undersized LB with "a nose for the ball" or some random CB that has a nice family that comes along with the pick.

Me?  Give me something proven.

Let me get this straight...you're placing those garbage draft picks at the feet of Parcells and Ireland?

No.  But I am placing them at the foot of the franchise which, over and over, had shown me that they screw up more than they get lucky (Eddie Moore, anyone?)...

Until that changes, give me Marshall.

My point was that it HAS changed. Look at the two draft classes the new administration has had, and with the exception of Pat White, I think they've done a helluva job stocking the shelves with some quality talent. If we could get Marshall for a 2nd rounder, I'd jump on your bandwagon, but I wouldn't want to spend a first round pick on a player with attitude issues just because we think he would upgrade that WR1 slot. Hell, I don't even want to spend a first rd pick on any WR this year, period.

Wrong on both accounts.  They're going to take Terrence Cody or Dan Williams, both of who are monster NTs.  I'd rather have that than Brandon Marshall or any WR for that matter.

Dan Williams or Rolando McClain would be my two early favorites for that first round pick...and I would gladly take either for our front-7.

#2's for Randy Moss and TO??????  Randy Moss cost the Patriots a 4th.  TO went to the Bills for free.

You only spend a #2 on a stud slot WR like Wes Welker. 

I'd rather they take Suh from Nebraska.  If he's gone by 12, grab Cody or Williams.

Gone by 12? Suh most likely will be gone by 3!

Are Cody and Williams D-Tackles or Nose tackles?  In the Dolphins' scheme, you need an NT, not a DT. 

Seriously?  He's likely going to be #1 overall.  Seriously?

Cody is 6'5'' 365....Williams is 6'3'' 327.  I'd say they are both NTs. 

Referring to Tommy, Suh would be a horrible pick for us anyways because he'd be more like a DE in our scheme, which we are stacked on.  Besides, Suh is going #1 in all probability.

I don't have a problem trading for YOUNG proven guy.....but I look at it in baseball terms....
***Begin Analogy***
Our draft picks are our prospects,our first rounder is our Best Prospect.....Trading Our Best Prosepct for a Guy like Adrian Gonzalez...I get a Chubby,having a guy like that on my Team...Trading our Top Prospect for Brandon Marshall..Is like trading for Milton Bradley....Lot's of Talent,two cent Brain....***end Analogy***

If we're talking Calvin Johnson, I'll personally Go to Detroit, Pack his House,and Hand Deliver him to the Dolphins facility....

Didn't we learn anything from T.O,and a lesser extent Randy Moss....
perfect example of Why I don't want Brandon Marshall...What makes me Believe he wont pull a stunt like this in Miami....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jWm1lak8NQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jWm1lak8NQ)

Did we even get into his legal skirmishes?

Yep.  No veteran wide receiver is worth trading for your #1.  I challenge you to cite any historical example where such a move has been successful.

B. Marshall is worth that pick, although I want them to grab Taylor Mays at #12.

Taylor Mays is very over-rated.  Sure he's huge for a SS, and is a big hitter, but he doesn't wrap up his tackles and his coverage is HORRIBLE!  He is pretty much a Roy Williams clone.

^^ I think I'd be happy to have Roy Williams on the Dolphins right now...

When Taylor Mays started playing for SC, I was pretty high on him, but the more I watched, the less I liked. He won't ever be able to play free safety in the NFL...he's completely strong safety material. Outside of laying nice hits on people, his value is minimal...and "definitely" not worth a first round pick, imo.

At # 12 I need to se either:

- Monster NT
- Ass-kicking MLB
- Pass-Rushing OLB/DE hybrid
- Big, strong WR

Safeties worth first round picks are few and far between, I think.

Challenge accepted.

The Dolphins traded a number one in the 1970 draft to Cleveland for Paul Warfield, which worked out pretty well. The Browns took Mike Phipps with the pick,  which didn't work out so well for them.

Ok, it was 40 years ago, but you didn't specify a time frame other than history.

ROFL!!!!  Spider Dan got egg on his face now!!!  Word of advice, Spider.  If you want to win in Dolphins Trivia, don't go against Doctor D

One example in 40 years doesn't inspire a ton of confidence in that side of the argument, imo...

I am on the other side...never trade your first round pick for someone else's vet WR.

I see Sean Taylor in Taylor Mays.  Wrapping tackles can be learned, 6'3" 230 with 4.4 speed and that athletic ability can't.  I like the kid.  I am still irrate from them taking Jason Allen over Antonio Cromartie who I also saw Sean Taylor in.

If we can get Mt. Cody that would be fantastic as well!

I agree picking a safety in the first round is a lot like picking a right tackle in the first round.  In first round you want shutdown corners and left tackles.  If you messed up and over evaluated them you move the corner to safety and the hopeful left tackle to right tackle. 

Ed Reed, Troy Polomalu and Sean Taylor were worth their value as 1st rounders.  I would put Mays closer to these players rather than with Jason Allen.  Eric Berry would be a steal at #12, but he won't make it out of the Top 10 unless he pulls a Pac Man and makes it rain before shooting up a strip joint.

How about a 2nd and 3rd?

How about a 2nd and Ted Ginn?

^In my humble opinion, they can just HAVE Ginn Jr.

I would have to agree with this.

Comparing Taylor Mays to Sean Taylor is like comparing Ted Ginn jr to Andre Johnson. Aside from positional similarities, they really are nothing alike. Taylor Mays has zero pass coverage skills. None whatsoever. He's a great hitter, but that's all he is. He will be a strong safety in the NFL, because free safety isn't a position he's suited for at the next level.

I still say Marshall is worth the #12 pick.

Glad to see SOMEONE agrees with me.  Thanks, Zach Thomas!

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2010/03/11/zach-thomas-trade-12th-pick-for-brandon-marshall/ (http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2010/03/11/zach-thomas-trade-12th-pick-for-brandon-marshall/)

I really don't think we'd have to give up our first rounder to get Brandon Marshall, despite his tender. I think if you went to Denver with a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year, they'd pounce on it like me on a pizza.

But your 2nd and 7th or 4th....absolutely!

Hell, in the post above, I considered a pair of second rounders...

If we could get Brandon Marshall for a second and a fourth rounder, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I just don't want to lose the increased possibility of "also" getting a stud defensive anchor at #12 overall.

I don't think you can get him for a 2nd.  The reason Austin Miles has the tender on him that he does it that Dallas would be flexible in what they would accept in a tender to him.  Denver only placing a 1st round on Marshall, to me, speaks clearly:  1st round, period.  Without a 1st rounder we will happily hang on to this guy, don't bother offering anything less.

I don't think a late round 1st rounder would be enough.  I think anything less than 15 would get Denver to stamp a big 'ol "no thanks" on the sheet.

Trust me, I understand the potential you give up at 12.  Like Stroke, I would love that defensive mainstay that 12 COULD net.  Problem is that the odds of you nailing down a Darnell Dockett type guy aren't high.  At 12 you will most likely wind up with a GOOD player.  Marshall is out of this world GREAT.  WR is a huge need for this team.

I would hand over #12 in a heart beat.

Dan Williams is going to be a monster nose tackle. Multiple pro bowls... I am as certain of this as I was that Jake Long was going to quickly become a monster pro bowl left tackle. Do you still give up the #12 for Marshall?

I also am not sold on Denver being rock-solid on needing a mid-1st round pick. I think a couple of second rounders could get the deal done. I'd be glad to pitch it to the Broncos too, should Mr Ireland request my assistance. ;D

Are you 100% certain Williams is going to fall to Miami at 12?

You can make a 100% certainly in the pursuit of someone via trade.  You can target Williams all you want...but there are 11 teams in front of Miami that could either take him or trade out so someone else can get him.

That is what I'm scared of.  It is entirely possible that Buffalo or Denver could snatch up Dan Williams.  I, personally, wouldn't see that as the end of the world because we would just take Jason Pierre-Paul, and he is going to be the next dominant rush LB in the league (6-5, 270 lbs, and runs a 4.64 forty)...either that or another Vernon Gholston (highly doubtful though).

This is widely considered the deepest draft ever, and next year (if there is a next year) is widely considered the deepest free agency class ever, so I say use every pick you can this year, and if a WR doesn't emerge from all of that, pick up one next year.

Sure, but for every player who rises above where I'm projecting them, one must fall lower, and who's to say that if Williams goes before #12, that it isn't a different stud that falls to us, and maybe even one that I considered better than Williams, but not likely to slide that far?

I don't give up a first rounder for Marshall, but I'd "really" bet that Denver could be talked into taking a pair of second rounders...and I'd love that to happen.