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anyone read the Armando Salguero today?

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/ (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/)

talking to Sparano about the status of Henne being the starter next year.  Sparano's response?

"I haven't really discussed it yet," Sparano said. "I haven’t really looked at the whole body of work, as I told you. I have to sit back now and look at the entire body of work now and see what Chad did really well and what Chad didn’t do really well. But I am really pleased with what Chad did, I really am

Are you kidding me Tony?  You got to give him the starting nod for next year.  Henne has proved more than his worth that he is the definite starter for next.  does anyone else agree??

The man went 7-6 with a team that has no real deep threat at WR, their top RB going out in week 10 and some other key injuries and you have to look at the body of work!??!?

wow......I think the guy has got a cannon for arm (needs a little more touch though), had to work with DBs and LBs squatting on 15 yd pass routes and had a top OFF performer (R. Brown) out for half his games.

this guy is the real deal!  make no bones about it.  this no fill-in QB until something better comes along.  Thigpen is 2nd QB and Pennington should be brought back to help these guys along.  P White should be move to a slot WR or possible KR.

It's a long offseason. While I am hopeful Henne will be the starter on opening day I certainly don't blame them for not just gving him the keys.

Hordman,

I know its hard for you to believe but Chad Henne is an average quarterback. He stares down receivers and he has NO mobility. You can only run a limited set of plays with him as quarterback.

There is a reason why Parcells made the deal for Thigpen. You have to remember that Thigpen beat out a first round draft pick in KC (Brodie Croyle) that was supposed to be the future QB. Thigpen was the odd man out in KC because they had Croyle and Cassel making "starters" money.

Last year in KC, Thigpen had no offensive line and only one receiver, Dwayne Bowe and a declining Larry Johnson. He pulled off some upsets (almost beat Miami in -25 degree wind chill) and scared the heck out of some teams. He's fast for a quarterback and can throw on the run. Henne can't do that.

Thigpen has a deep ball and TOUCH. You can run various formations with him. Go back and look at two plays (the big gain to Fasano and the throw to Bess).

The interception to Ginn happened because Ginn ran the pattern too deep which I alluded to in another forum post. On a lot of Henne's throws to receivers made him look good (with the exception of Ted Ginn Jr.)

Henne will be slotted as the number 1 QB but if he falters next year, they will not hestitate to put Thigpen in

Yes you did, but it was pure conjecture as far as I could tell. I really doubt you have the playbook at home and know how deep the pattern was suppose to be.

Word.

What's more likely - Chad Henne and his "cannon" arm under-throwing someone, or Ted Ginn Jr. fucking up a route?

Hate to say it, but I am going to agree to a fair degree with ethurst (the Henne hater).

Thigpen came from a very small school (comparatively) and it is unfortunate but he may actually be a better QB than Henne and never get a real shot.  I can't vouch for his abilities to read defenses, but I think he throws a better ball than Henne.  I also think he is better in the pocket than Henne.

If Henne doesn't develop some touch on his passes this offseason I would be supportive of giving Thigpen more time in a true competition for the starting role.  It is tough when you are competing with a guy that went to a college as big as Michigan.

I am also going to defend Thigpen on those picks...

The first one - Should have never called a pass in the first place, particularly one with Ginn as the primary receiver.  Ginn doesn't fight for the ball and allows himself to get mugged regularly.  Thigpen didn't have many receiving options on that play and he still had pressure in his face.

The second one - We all saw this coming.  Thigpen was put in a situation where he has to make something happen and as the third strings QB likely practices very very little two minute football.  Before the drive even started I told someone that there would likely be an interception.  That pick would have happened to most QBs in that situation (coming off the bench).

not surprising.  henne really isnt that good.  no touch, no deep ball, no mobility.  people who say wow henne was 7-6 as a starter as just not that smart.  ginn won him a game, and his first 3 wins he really didnt do anything.  the defense and running backs won the games.  he had 3 pick 6s and cost the dolphins 2 games.  stop blaming the receivers for henne not being good. 

Yup, he sucks. Instead of working with him and developing him, lets just cut him and draft another QB. And when he sucks his first year as a starter, we'll cut him and start over again. Maybe in about 10 years, we'll find a QB.

Or better yet, lets trade for Ryan Fitzpatrick. He was a backup and played better than Trent Edwards, who was a 2nd round pick, so surely he'll develop better. Or how about Dennis Dixon? He was a backup in Pittsburgh, but he played well when he started, so he must be better than Henne. Troy Smith has demanded a trade from Baltimore, so lets grab him as well.
We'll let Smith, Fitzpatrick and Thigpen battle it out for the #1 job.  ::)


Hey, screw it, if you guys wanna sit and say how much Henne sucks, I can sit and make absurd statements too.

Classic Ethurts Post..Long in the Toothe,Short on Facts...

08, in K.C. Brodie Coyle,and Damon Huard Were BOTH injured ,is why Thigpen was playing...And Thigpen had no one to throw tooo? Laughable..Dwayne Boewe is better WR than any Wr on our Roster....and a  had some Little Known TE name Tony Gonzolez to dump the Ball too also  ::).....that Declining RB, Killed us for over 100 yards on like 12 carries....

The Fasano throw was 10 yards? Besses was nice,but he alsmot missed him wide open out the back of the endzone....One of the same complaints you complain about Henne...

The reason we went out to get Thigpen we needed another QB,after Pennington was hurt....He's under contract,and he was cheap.....I do think Tyler thigpen is a good guy for Henne to Compete with....But It's Henne's job to Lose.....

I agree that it's Henne's job to lose as well. But you should never ever say "He's our starter and that's that" without giving the other guy a chance. The only exceptions are when you have Tom Brady, Manning, Favre, Romo, or some other high-caliber QB. Jacksonville, Buffalo, Washington, Oakland, St. Louis, Denver, and teams like that need to constantly keep whoever is their current #1 QB in check by bringing in other guys that they can compete against.

Philly, would you agree that Henne hasn't done enough yet to demonstrate that he is "the guy"?

Or, are you totally sold on Henne?

I like most of what I have seen out of Henne, but I am not sold as of yet.  I would also like to see him with a full offseason of work as the #1 guy with at least one explosive receiver.  To be clear, I am not saying Thigpen is the guy either but including his time in KC and what I have seen out of his mobility, throwing motion and leadership I would say that he is worth a serious look.

Last question...  Do you think that Thigpen is taken less seriously mearly because of the school he went to?  I do.  In fact, I think it has alot to do with why he is no longer in KC.

Doc...Read the all the Bubbles talking about the Preseason Battles with Chiefs..Thigpen was injured in Preseason..and then Struggled....
"Thigpen hadn't proved he could play in a standard offense","Wasn't right for Todd Haley's offense","Better fit for Gimicky Pistol offense"
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_previousnews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4284 (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_previousnews.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4284)

I found this making sure he was under contract and Cheap....

I don't think there's much weight in Sparano's quote, either way.  The season JUST ended.  If they're doing their job in the front office, they'll go evaluate every position, not just Henne.  But he will (and should) be back.

I think Henne will be just fine...give the guy a little time to develop, and some better weapons to utilize and he'll be a quality starter for Miami moving forward.

Does Yatil Gre...errrrrrrrrr, Ginn Junior RUN routes?  How can he fuck them up if he doesn't know how to run one?

Ginn Jr = the second biggest piece of overpaid crap on this team, second only to Joey Porter.

Nope, he's third. Porter and White are ahead of him (at least Ginn contributed somewhat, unlike White).

You don't name your starting QB for next season when this one is still running, you make it a competition, you give the QB's an incentive to work hard in the offseason and THEN you can start thinking about it.

Also, everyone saying that Thigpen would be Henne's sole competition, Henne isn't the best qb named chad on the roster. I would like to see pennington come back for 1 more year.

Pennington is a free agent, and the likelihood of him re-signing with the Dolphins is slim, IMO.

I agree. Pennington has his limitations, but he's good enough to start for at least a good handful of teams. Why would he come back to Miami?

I agree with Jtex.  There will be a "camp battle" but the job is Henne's to lose. 

This was Henne's first season as a pro. Let me just write that again and in bold:

This was Henne's first season as a pro.

As a rookie, or guy playing in his first full year, you basically hope for general competence and not much else. No one expects him to go to the Pro Bowl or lead the league in any offensive category. You just want him to show he belongs and can improve, which he did as the season went on and they had to dump the Wildcat.

This is Sparano keeping everyone on their toes. Of course he is the starter for next season.

Down the stretch, the last 5 games of the season, Henne broke 300 yards 4* of them.  I put an asterisk by the "4" because the last game he got pulled at halftime with 140 yards and I believe he was on pace to break 300 again.

Henne only started 13 games, yet finished with 400 more yards (and 6 less INT's) than Mark Sanchez, who started 15 games.  And, only 38 yards LESS than Matt Ryan, who started 14 games.  And only 46 yards less than Matt Cassel, who started 15 games (and is making $15 million).  And he did all of that with no #1 WR.

How many of you would like Matt Ryan as the Dolphins' QB?

I believe Henne is better...

of course that is a terrible post. 300 yards is pretty meaningless when you throw it 44+ times.  you mention doing it eithout a number 1 receiver, well the dolphins rushing attack was pretty good and teams where stacking the box against them making passing a lot easier.  chad henne led the league in pick 6s, didnt throw a lot of touchdowns and completed only 4 passes thrown greater than 21 yards.  he isnt that good.  why compare him to sanchez, sanchez isnt going to be good.

I really like Chad Henne, but I would trade Henne for Matt Ryan in a second.

you're the most biased person on this forum.  Are you Chad Pennington's brother?

The last 5 games, the Dolphins starting RB was on IR.  Yeah, scary rushing attack.  If people were stacking the box, how did Ricky Williams finish with 1100+ yards?  

Henne only had 3 games with more than 36 attempts.

I want to see stats showing Henne leads the league in Pick-6.  Good luck with that.

Stop being such a hater.  Damn you're frustrating.  Henne is the best QB this team has seen since Marino.  Hands down.  Someday, you'll get on board...

so henne has only had 3 games with 300+ yards passing, and in those games he had 46, 52, and 55 attempts.  you must be blind if you think that yeams werent stacking the box against miami. Ricky is good and so is the oline which is why he had 1100+ yards rushing. And henne is terrible and deep passes, which is why he completed 4 passes thrown 21+ yards to dolphins players and 4 passes to opposing players.  maybe take off your rose colored glasses and see that he really isnt very good.  (and while you have them off, take a look at ronnie brown and you will see he is terrible too)

Yeah I'm going to take your objective player evaluation as gospel... ::)

This one is simple to answer.

Most of you guys base your judgment on a play from the CBS network broadcasts. All you have to do is tune into the coaches corner on the NFL network and they show you the play from the backside of the defense what happened on a game changing play. You may get one or two views of the play from the defensive side on network television and that's it.

1. Ginn DID run the wrong pattern. He was supposed to run a five yard curl but he was probably afraid of being hit. Ginn was at the goal line BEHIND the two Steeler defenders. If that's the case, he should have just kept running to the back of the end zone.

Quarterbacks are taught to throw to a spot NOT directly at the receiver unless its a sure thing. Montana was great at throwing at spots and Dan Marino could throw anywhere or at anything at any time and because of his quick release, get away with a lot of stuff before the DB could adjust or turn his head.

2. I would bet my money on Steve Smith or Hines Ward running the right pattern, catching the ball or knocking it down. Ginn overran the pattern.

If you ever played football before, this stuff is elementary. You can tell when a receiver is not running the pattern out or correctly and a lot of time, the INT is not the QB's fault in this case.

If a receiver sees that his QB is in trouble, he can run through or run to an open spot , preferably using the sideline as a buffer between him and the defensive back. Elementary football.

As for Henne being the best QB since Marino, the jury is out on that one. I still say that Thigpen has more tools than Henne. If Henne doesn't develop touch next year, he will be riding the pine. All it would take is a three game losing streak for that to happen.

Ginn will be selling real estate in a couple of years and if Henne doesn't get some touch, he'll be selling used cars.

He's the illegitimate half-brother of Chad Pennington and Ricky Williams.

^^^^ Why are you bashing Ricky? I hate to tell you this but he just got picked RB of the decade by Dolphins Digest over Ronnie. 

I love you Ricky and so does Dave!!!  :-*

I wasn't bashing Ricky.

OoOoOo...the Dolphins Digest, an international commanding publication.

Ricky and Ronnie are the only backs that have lasted more than a couple years...in Long, Long Time.... :D

They are your only backs during Long's time  ;D.  (Jake)  A having a good OT helps the running bad.


(Weak pun, I know)