The Dolphins Make Me Cry.com - Forums

I know this will come as a "well, duh" to the world, but I am shocked he finally admitted it.

I applaud him for finally fessing up.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/01/11/mcgwire.steroids.ap/index.html?eref=sihp (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/baseball/mlb/01/11/mcgwire.steroids.ap/index.html?eref=sihp)

I am happy he finally admitted what everyone knew (non-pc for saying expected). The only players who look halfway decent in all of this are the ones who said they did it and regret it. The rest have come off looking like complete fools.

At least he never said he didn't do them.  Congrats to him for fessing up.

I don't applaud him at all.  If he would've admitted it when he was called before Congress, I would've applauded him.  If he would've admitted it back when he was doing it, I would've applauded him.  But to do it now, years after the fallout from all the positive tests, the BALCO scandal and the Mitchell Report tells me he's just trying to win enough sympathy votes for the Hall of Fame. 

Why even admit it now?  I can understand when the subject was hot and he was getting pressed but now?  I would have shut my mouth and fallen into obscurity and left it at that.  I guess some just crave headlines and people talking about them.

He's the Cardinals hitting coach now, that's why.

I still hope he never gets within sniffing range of the HOF...just for being a putz about it until now.

Exactly.  He had a chance to come clean and look honorable by fessing up to what he did back when he was called before Congress.  He blew that chance. 

This is the same situation as Pete Rose finally admitting that he bet on baseball. 

While we are all coming clean I may as well admit to having sexual relations with that woman.  ;)

You're a douchebag meat-head McGwire.

Good job trying to get back into the good graces of MLB because you are probably broke. You should be banned for life.

WOW McGwire used steroids!!  Why is this even a story? Tell me something we didn't know.  Now we have to fu*king listen to ESPN and all sports channels talk about fu*king ROIDS for the rest of the month and then again when the season starts!!!!WTF I am so sick of hearing about roids.

Sorry but sh*ts getting old.

(http://eventingnation.com/home/mcgwire-steroids.jpg)

Can you imagine the whispers if any of his players made quantum leaps in power, or average?  The rumor mill would be out of control.  Now, he fesses up, gets ahead of the rumors.  I think it needed to happen if he was coming back to the game.  I think he knows he has no chance at the HOF.  Middling to below average first baseman, mediocre batting average, and inflated power numbers tainted by steroids.  He had no chance before the admission, and he has no chance now.  I'm just glad he admitted it.

I also don't mind that he waited until now, when admitted users are not facing criminal prosecution, than back then, when they might've. 

I don't think it matters that he did steroids, at all.  It's baseball's fault for not testing, so they can't cry foul when players admit to it years later.  Baseball knew it was happening and did nothing about it, because it was guys like McGwire that made it possible for baseball to come back into America's good graces.  It's disingenuous for them to be all outraged about it now.

I agree Dave.  He never denied using them which I felt was his way of saying he did ... without being prosecuted. I don't think anyone went away from the hearings thinking otherwise.

I think this is one of the reasons why I do not like baseball. People (and the commissioner) knew McGwire was using and they didn't question it when he was going after the home run record for the simple reason that people love home runs more than strategic plays in baseball. A baseball home run (to me) is like a touchdown in football, a goal in hockey or the clutch 3-pointer in basketball that ices the game. Other than hockey, the other sports have other ways of scoring and it is not as attention getting as the "big score" so if it brings in more people (say after a lock-out) then its OK to look the other way and confess everything when people are already back in the stands. So what lesson do we learn from this? Cheat the system, get everything to happen your way and then when you are comfortable in life and your 15 minutes of fame run down then admit to your wrong doing because they can't take everything away from you.   >:(

Of course now that he admitted he "cheated" its not like he can give everything back. Even if he could pay back the money he made from cheating, it does not take away all the experiences that were given to him because he was the home run record holder. Even when Bonds was going after the record, people stood by McGwire because they tried driving it into everyone that he didn't cheat....well, now we know better.

Since I don't really follow baseball that much and I feel that people who "cheat" to break records don't count, who is the current home run record holder?

You hit the nail on the head there.  Baseball fans are a bunch of hypocrites.

Something that I just saw, the league commissioner is applauding that McGwire confessed as a "player" but he is not a current player anymore so the league can not do anything to him and the statute of limitations expired of when he used it so there is no legal things that can happen to him so again I am confused why people are saying good on him for admitting that he broke the rules. Someone please explain.

Exactly.  I am very glad that people like Tommy never make mistakes in their lives.  God forbid they try to atone for those mistakes, for whatever the reason, and receive the ridiculous statements by some that I've heard.  The guy admitted it.  Kudos to him for doing something that most would never have the stones to do, regardless of motive. 

The only time anyone has come clean is when there is a smoking gun (IE, A Rod).  I understand that although you personally don't live a perfect live devoid of fault you expect other people to.  Cut the guy some slack.



Dave wasn't speaking about baseball fans.  As you do, you're taking massive liberty with his statement.  He spoke of baseball in general.  Unless you know how each baseball fan actually felt during the dramatic power spike of that time you have nothing to say.  I am willing to bet you were still potty training during that time, therefore you aren't qualified to speak about how any baseball fan felt at that time and feel now about that time retroactively.  You're not a baseball fan and are therefore disqualified to speak about it from a fan viewpoint in any manner.

St. Louis is toying with the idea of having Mark be a coach / part time player.

It is disingenuous of them, and I agree with most of what you say, but I won't blame baseball exclusively.  I'm a Cards fan, and rooted for McGuire (still like him despite all this), but still have to lay the blame mostly at his and his peers' feet.  To say that you shouldn't be blamed for doing something which may have been a federal crime just because your employer did not have a direct, on-point rule against it is wrong.  Misusing steroids was still against the law, which should overrule any employer contract.

Hey douchebag.  I guess it is ok for personal insults when you mod the forum.  I was watching baseball at the time and the fans loved McGwire and Sosa.  To see them turn on Bonds, McGwire and everybody else now for sacrificing their body to give the fans what they want is hypocritical.

...and to blanket-lump all baseball fans together under your hypocrisy umbrella is ridiculous. Did you speak to every baseball fan about "what they wanted" or whether or not they were ok with players doing steroids in order to hit more HRs?   Of course you didn't...your opinion is based on your opinion and maybe a couple others that you have communication with.  I've spoken to enough baseball fans over the years (and I'm old as dirt) to say that most fans that I've spoken with have always been sincerely in favor of no performance enhancing substances, and have been resolutely steadfast in their criticism of players who used them.

The baseball ratings in 1997 say that they were in favor of seeing a lot of hrs.

And was there a survey that said the fans were willing to tolerate performance enhancing drugs in their lust for the longball?  Of course there wasn't.

Accidents, scandals and tragedies get great ratings as well, but no one (outside TV network execs) is coming out in favor of wanting more of them.

I didn't insult you.  Calling you the biggest idiot I've ever encountered (if I were to say that) would be insulting you.  Stating that you're about as smart as one of the paper clips on my desk (if I were to say that) would be insulting you.  Calling you a flat out loser, if I were to say that, would be insulting you.

I stated that I believed you were too young at that time to realize what was really going on.  That isn't an insult.  If I were to say you're flat out too stupid to understand THAT - that would be an insult (if I were to say that...but I'm not).

So you were a baseball fan that watched every pitch and now you're not.  Got it.

"Chicks dig the long ball."  Of course this is accurate.  Your statement is 100% true.  Ratings were through the roof.  People weren't tuning in to see a well played double steal.  I, nor any other baseball fan, will ever dispute what the home run chase did for restoring the popularity of the game.  That said, that home run chase also brought new fans in that had zero ability to realize what they were really watching.  Those of us that remember thinking "wow" when a player topped 30 home runs knew better.  Before the strike - pre stupid sick power numbers - baseball was healthy.  Small markets drew well.  You don't need to sell out every home game to be successful.  The home run chase made baseball's popularity a bit artificial.

It is simply way too unfair to lump everything together in a ridiculous statement like the one that you made.  It is one thing to have your opinion on something.  I won't knock anyone for their opinion.  Your opinion is your own, it's not wrong.  Presuming to speak for a community of fans is a work of fiction on your end.

He was hired as a hitting coach in late October.  I was shocked that it flew under the radar until now.  They are toying with the idea of using him as a situational pinch hitter.

Since his retirement, individual players would seek his help with their swing during the off season.

I just don't see it working.  The guy is 48.  Hasn't faced live pitching in a long time.  His timing has to be off like you read about, his bat speed has to be at all time lows.  The only thing Big Mac will get you now are foul tips into the catchers mit and grounding into DP's.  I hope to God he stays on the bench and just coaches.

I hadn't heard anything about him being a part time player until this thread (I did know he was hired onto the staff though). I suspect that is just hot air.

It's just TLR talking.  I doubt anything comes of it. 

La Russa probably harbors a dream that McGuire comes back, belts out a bunch of homers in part-time duty, and is vindicated as a natural home run hitter.  I wouldn't mind seeing that, either, as I always liked "Big Mac", but I agree with Maine's much more educated assessment.

The way he talks about McGuire he probably dreams about him doing it in a thong.

Read much? Because if you did, you would have read that both McGuire's attorney and one of the congressmen told him not admit that he used steriods even though he wanted to because there was no offer of immunity. One of the congressmen actually pushed for immunity to get the players to open up.
Even with his admission, based on the number of votes it will still take several years to reach the 75% threshhold.
This puts even more scrutiny on Bonds and Sosa now. It also makes Canseco even more right as he said in his book that he was injecting with McGuire over 20 years ago.

It's no surprise to me really, except for what he admitted to taking.  We already knew he was taking androstenedione (sp?) which at the time was available over the counter.  HGH was not illegal under the baseball rules at the time. 

I liked what Hershieser had to say about the whole thing though about the challenge of getting him out anyways.  My feeling is that everybody who played in that era is essentially guilty because even if you didn't take it, chances are one of your teammates did and because of that you probably benefitted from it.