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I am midly surprised the proposed Tebow ad during the SB has not been touched yet, as it is generating a decent amount of conversation, especially since previously CBS rejected an ad by a liberal group in a past SB.
As such a widely watched sporting event, should CBS be considering allowing any ads that might have a political slant?

Personally, I don't think a commercial is going to sway anyone so I am not worrying about it.  Most people already have an irreversible opinion on the subject.

I would rather see Tim Tebow and his mom than some half dressed woman eating a hamburger.

How about a half dressed man eating a burrito?
I also do not think it will sway many opinions, but it reeks of hypocrisy and favortism to turn down an ad by one group of the political spectrum, only to later allow an ad from a group from the opposite side of the spectrum.

Agreed with bsmooth. 

Commercials are only good to convince people who are on the fence.  All its gonna do is make half the people watching hate Tim Tebow.

But you have to be fair and unbiased.

The Super Bowl is not a political platform and the ad space should not be allowed to be used as such.

That makes one of us.

If you had two young daughters you might feel differently, but that is beside the point.

While I am pro-choice, if I was Tim I wouldn't really worry too much about his detractors getting upset by this ad.  Could the critism really be any worse than how bad he was slammed by some for taking a girl with brain tumor to the ESPN College Football awards.

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I read an article which touched on this- the only reason CBS is accepting the money is because they need to sell the advertising space. Car manufacturers are not going to be spending the big dollars on air time this year. Neither are soda companies, or beer companies, etc. (at least not to the extent they have in the past)

I'm sure if someone wanted to buy the air time directly after this commercial to air a "rebuttal", CBS would gladly accept the money.

This doesn't seem like the correct venue for a statement like this, but if CBS is getting a big chunk of change for it -- go ahead.

It doesn't matter if it is the Super Bowl or an episode of How I Met Your Mother. This is a paid add. People up in arms have no right to be. A paid add is a paid ad. As long as it isn't out of the bounds of what is allowed on TV then it absolutely is the venue for it. I think most of the outrage is from people who disagree with the message, but that isn't right.

CBS turned down that group in 2007 when they still had a waiting list of people wanting to get on air, at CBS's rate, for the SB.

They will receive 2.3 million for this one ad.  They couldn't turn that down.

I do not remember seeing many political ads run during the season on CBS or even Fox. This is a once a year event to bring one of our favorite sports to a close and all the fans can enjoy the game. There is a time and place for everything, and this is not it. People watch and attend sporting events to get away from the everyday issues and politics is one of those things they are trying to get away from.

It is quite possible this is backfiring for the pro-life group. 

Peta has gotten some pretty good mileage out of making an ad they knew the networks would never run,  then when the ad got rejected then every news station ran the ad for free and discussed it at length.

This group might have been expecting the same thing and then blew the majority of its marketing budget b/c it thought CBS would never cash the check. 

And CBS sells advertising in order to bring you the event. If you don't like it pay for your ad to air instead.

What if, as has been alleged, the story is made up? Does that change anything?

If that is true then it makes Tebow a scum sucking liar.  I don't agree with alot of his politics, but I respect him for sticking to his principles.   If the story is made up then I lose all respect for him.  As of right now I am going on the assumption he is telling the truth and the allegations are just baseless mud.  But if evidence comes out he is BS than I will regard him no different than I do Tiger -- good athlete, lousy person.   

There's no evidence Tebow's story is anything but true. I give him credit for attempting to live his beliefs, even if I don't always agree with them.

Personal beliefs aside, is this a good business decision for CBS and, by extension, the NFL? The league generally does its best to stay out of politics. The last thing they want to do is upset any potential customers, whether they be pro-life or pro-fetal termination. $2.3 million or not, I was very surprised to see this ad would be broadcast during the SB.

There are certainly key elements to it that make it... extremely unlikely to have occurred as told. But evidence, no, the whole thing is "hearsay". Personally, I don't care one way or another and have neither reason to believe nor to disbelieve the story. If someone did care, they might make the argument, that there's not really any evidence that the story is anything but FALSE, either ;)

(There is no evidence, at least presented, one way or another)

And I really couldn't give a crap, so I'll stop now.

I think it is a horrible decision. Now more groups will try and get their ads on and CBS has put itself into a corner as they will look like hypocrits for showing certain political ads and not others.
It is a can of worms they should not have opened just to fill a spot.

tebow should lay low a little bit and focus on trying to become an nfl qb.

anybody watch the practices leading up to the senior bowl or the actual game. to say that he was terrible would actually be a compliment. i mean he is just atrocious from behind the center. he reminds you of the worst of the worst auditions on american idol, you just are really left speechless with the god awful performance you just witnessed.

What do you mean?  What "story" might be made up?

The Tebow add is a story about his mother being told she should have an abortion for health reasons. She obviously declined to do so and the child grew up to be Tim Tebow.

^ So then they're advocating for abortion....  ;)

Juuuuuust being a dick.  Sorry.

Let's see... a child who is not aborted and wanted and loved and cared for grows up to be a decent person.  Alert the media!

Tim Tebow is so awesome it only takes him a half hour to watch Sixty Minutes.

Thanks for clarifying.  I read this thread a few times and didn't know what you guys were talking about.

The weird twist is that at the time she was in the Phillipines and told she needed to have an abortion, it was illegal. I cannot imagine a doctor telling someone to undertake an illegal procedure.

^^^ There has never been any decisions in the Phillipines by their highest court on whether endangerment to the mother's life would still be considered an illiegal reason for abortion. I could definitely see a doctor giving the advice to have one.

Pure speculation ahead: Since the family was doing missionary work I find it completely feasible that they were surrounded by missionaries which likely included doctors. I don't think it would be odd for an American doctor to suggest an abortion.

If we accept that it may have been a missionary doctor from the US, then I dount he would have understood the nuances of the Phillipine legal system and how it is intertwined into medical treatments.

I thought the one at risk was Tebow... something about the medicine the mother had received almost certainly having caused damage to the fetus.

^^^Maybe

So let me get this straight......  A Christian missionary (presumably of the same faith as Tebow) advised Tebow's mom to violate Philippine law and have an abortion. 

The only person that would be gullible to fall for that crock, would also believe that the folks stealing babies from Haiti didn't know it was legal or that someone can walk on water....oh wait....it is the same gullible crowd falling for all three lines of bullshit. 

As I said purely speculation on my part and I never said Christian missionary. I was more implying a doctor that donates their services in other parts of the world, whatever you would call them.

Let's take a step back here.  Who cares what the laws of the Phillipines are?  We (the USA) had naval bases over there during this time.  These bases were US property.  I'm quite certain Lady Tebow could've had her abortion in a base, had she chosen to, and not violated any laws.  Filipino law is nearly irrelevant to this conversation.

Second, there's this massive undercurrent to this thread (and the gay commercial one) about how right wingers' agendas are being bowed to while the left's agendas aren't.  The day all the blue states pass gay marriage is the day you all get to argue that only right wingers don't like gay marriage, gay dating, gay whatever.  The fact that gay marriage can't pass in a state like California is evidence enough that gay rights and issues are not just red-blue considerations.

Ms. Tebow wasn't in the military.  She wasn't living on a military base.  She wasn't a dependant of a stationed military personnel?  Why the hell would the military offer medical care in a non-life threatening situation?

1 - So an abortion recommendation based on risk to mother (as I understand was the case) is not life-threatening?

2 - Having lived abroad, I can tell you that I had some level of access to U.S. consulate people - in high school.  If the best care available was from US doctors at US bases, you don't think the consulate could help?  Might it not be available anyway?  Could US military doctors moonlight with the American community and offer base services? 

What I'm saying is:  before encarcerating Ms. Tebow on charges of either lying or breaking Filipino law, could you consider alternatives? 

Actually there was no risk to the mother.  The only risk was the baby would be born still born or retarded. 

I seriously doubt the US policy under Ronald Reagan allowed for civilians to use military bases to skirt local government laws on abortions. 

And nobody is trying to incarcerate Tebow.  Just discredit.

^^^Why are you so hopped up on discrediting the woman?  You think it hard to believe that Ms. Tebow would in some way consult a US doctor who would advise her to have an abortion?  I've lived abroad; i know that for some things, you just want to talk to a U.S. professional, not a local one.  Hawaii is a short hop from the Philipines.  She wouldn't have even needed a base.  I'm just saying that your assumption that she would have never been advised to have an abortion because of Filipino law forbidding abortions is ignoring the fact that as a US citizen, she had options for having an abortion either on actual US soil or on US soil by treaty. 

Are you telling me she had no options other than not abiding by Filipino law?  You expect me to believe that?  It's not like she'd have to sail her way to the USA; they did have planes in 1987 or whatever.  I mean, it's illegal to smoke weed in (most of) the USA; doesn't mean you can't go to Amsterdam, Jamaica, wherever, and do what's legal there.

Thanks for the correction on danger to the mom.  As I said, I wasn't sure what the deal was there.

Anyway: she has her point of view; she's entitled.  Why would a story about how not aborting being a great decision be so threatening to so many of you?  Do you honestly believe it's going to turn public sentiment against your cause?  I'd argue that makes as much sense as people who think that legalization of gay marriage is going to somehow cause there to be more gays.  It's silly.

I just want to say I had no problem whatsoever with CBS taking the money and airing this commercial even though I am pro-choice.  However, if they are going to cite freedom of speech to justify airing this one they should air the gay one also.

Easy on the brush strokes there. I started this thread because of the hypocrisy of it. CBS should not be engaging in running political ads during the SB. I do not care which side they are on, there should be no reasn for this.
Stay on topics you know about. Unless you are a resident and voting member of California, you will not understand just everything that took place during that campaign.
The reason you are detecting such an undertow is because CBS has chosen to present one side of a contentious issue in this country, during the most widely watched single day sporting event in this country. Previous political ads were shot down under the guise of "we have enought ad revenue that we do not need your money", which is bullshit as they could have found someone to fill this slot if they needed too. This ad was not a make or break situation for CBS to profit from the SB. SO by allowing this, they have appeared to have staked out a position on this political issue and people from the other side of the issue are not happy.

Well this turned out to be very uneventful. Not very political at all. Sfter seeing the ad did anyone think they may have overreacted originally?

My wife didn't hear any of the uproar or conversation about this ad.  I specifically kept quiet and waited for the ad to air and then ten minutes later asked her about it.  She didn't even remember seeing the ad, it was that nondescript.  A very big no news type event.

My problem was never as much with the ad as much as accepting this one and NOT accepting the gay ad. 

Has anyone heard they are now catching slack from female activists that are upset Tebow tackled his mother? I'm guessing next they go after Betty White!!

In my group, I was unable to hear the ad.  A lot of people don't like Tebow as a player, so they were booing at him.  Another part was people (all girls) who left the room and said something about not supporting it or something.  I couldn't even really tell what she was saying.

^^^ Nothing political at all that I heard. Just something about needing to be tough to be part of their family and to see their story at the website.

someone please correct me if there was more than that.

I don't get it.

Tebow should be concentrating on getting his mechanics straight for a higher draft position. Did Focus on the Family pay for that ad?

I'm not against Tebow. I think he is a good young man. Part of me feels like he is being set up to fail because of his beliefs. But he should take care of business first, become a viable pro and THEN make statements on what he feels.

I would say that Tebow news almost outshadowed what was going on at the SB and that's hard to do.

I don't think he will ever make a viable pro QB so he absolutely has to strike now, while the iron is hot. In two years no one will care what Tim Tebow has to say.

I think Phish is right.  Tebow, right now, is at the peak of his life's popularity.

...and to cap Phish's thought there, I am sure that "Focus on the Family" was given info that said "Tebow will never be as popular as he is right now," so credit them for jumping on a spokesperson with a limited shelf life.

He is being set-up to fail because of his beliefs, but he is setting HIMSELF up to fail by pushing his agenda / beliefs on a world-wide scale when not only do we not care, we don't want to hear them and there should be no place for agenda-pushing, religious or political, during an NFL game, let alone the Super Bowl.

Same thing with Katie Couric's Obama interview at 4:30PM. WTF was up with that? Get that crap off of my TV before the Super Bowl.

I was told the President is interviewed before every Super Bowl. I don't know if that is factual but if so you can't complain.

You're right Phish. I just wish he would make the doubters wrong by doing something with his throwing mechanics. Maybe he should head to the CFL?

I was more surprised at how tame the ad was despite all the attention surrounding it.  I'm pro-life, but I would like to think that if I were pro-choice I wouldn't have been all that upset by it. 

I was also kind of disappointed in the gay dating service ad.  I guess I was hoping it would be funnier than it was.  Two couch potato dudes in jerseys and then their hands touch.  Seemed kind of boring but maybe they were trying to be classy by being understated and that's fine.