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Title: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: bsfins on February 25, 2010, 12:11:48 pm
I tend to watch quite a bit of Top Gear,and they have cool wall (I haven't seen it on the newer episodes) They have a picture of a car, and they ask is it " Seriously Uncool", "Uncool", "Cool", and "Sub Zero","Super cool" It's sort of changed, they've added to it....

So I thought this could be fun,if We sort of had TDMMC cool wall....but not just cars...everything! (but Since I did steal the idea from a car show, I thought I'd pay homage to it by starting with a car) I'[m also curious to see how cool some things really are....

So here's the gist....A subject is posted you vote...
Seriously un Cool
Un Cool
Cool
Pretty Cool
Super Cool

(I got a feeling everything is going to be pretty much in the middle)

Subject 1...Owning, and Driving a Hybrid Electric Car....



Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Guru-In-Vegas on February 25, 2010, 03:20:40 pm
I voted super-cool since the engineering involved is remarkable.  I think the early ones are ugly as shit but they've been getting nicer. 


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Fau Teixeira on February 25, 2010, 03:23:20 pm
i voted un-cool because it's a smoke and mirrors machine .. it tries to do two things and does neither well and reeks of compromise

develop an all electric car, it's orders of magnitude more efficient and therefore also more cool


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: bsmooth on February 25, 2010, 03:45:41 pm
Seriously un cool.
It is just a way for people to visualize their hipness and show they are pseudo green.
Studies have shown that for the extra costs of the hybrids, you would have to drive one 100,000 miles to make up the price difference from buying something like a Focus that gets excellent gas milage.


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Buddhagirl on February 25, 2010, 03:53:40 pm
Seriously un cool.
It is just a way for people to visualize their hipness and show they are pseudo green.
Studies have shown that for the extra costs of the hybrids, you would have to drive one 100,000 miles to make up the price difference from buying something like a Focus that gets excellent gas milage.

Most don't buy them to save money. They're bought because they're supposedly cleaner. No?


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: bsmooth on February 25, 2010, 04:02:17 pm
They are not that much cleaner. They still burn the same gas, they just require a little smaller amount to do it.
For the cost difference, I would expect the hybrids to be significantly more. Lets not even get into the blatant commercialization that is hybrid SUV's.
As an example. The 11 v6 Mustang will have 300hp and get 30mpg with an automatic trans. I would rather spend my money on that car, than an ugly hybrid that costs more and might get half again better milage at best than the Mustang.


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Sunstroke on February 25, 2010, 04:15:01 pm
develop an all electric car, it's orders of magnitude more efficient and therefore also more cool

Way up on my automotive wish list... http://www.teslamotors.com/ (http://www.teslamotors.com/)

It just doesn't get any cooler than this...


(http://i.treehugger.com/files/th_images/tesla-eckh-01.jpg)



Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: bsfins on February 25, 2010, 04:18:10 pm
For me personally,I'm a redneck,I'm pretty sure they make a Hybrid  truck...I don't know anyone that has one. Most of the People I know don't want brand new trucks, they aren't worth a shit, pulling stock trailer, hauling lumber, going 4 wheeling (they tend to be too pretty  :D )....Too me they're ugly little cars...So I voted uncool....


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Fau Teixeira on February 25, 2010, 04:22:22 pm
i know the tesla .. they have a long waiting list and not geared up to mass production .. and pretty expensive .. the chevy volt on the other hand .. has potential


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Buddhagirl on February 25, 2010, 04:51:41 pm
They are not that much cleaner. They still burn the same gas, they just require a little smaller amount to do it.
For the cost difference, I would expect the hybrids to be significantly more. Lets not even get into the blatant commercialization that is hybrid SUV's.
As an example. The 11 v6 Mustang will have 300hp and get 30mpg with an automatic trans. I would rather spend my money on that car, than an ugly hybrid that costs more and might get half again better milage at best than the Mustang.

Different strokes. I'd never get a Mustang. They're douchemobiles.


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: fyo on February 25, 2010, 05:40:05 pm
i know the tesla .. they have a long waiting list and not geared up to mass production .. and pretty expensive .. the chevy volt on the other hand .. has potential

I read something about them giving up on their current in-production car, making their upcoming, not-yet-complete car an all or nothing proposition.


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: bsmooth on February 25, 2010, 06:44:02 pm
Way up on my automotive wish list... http://www.teslamotors.com/ (http://www.teslamotors.com/)

It just doesn't get any cooler than this...


(http://i.treehugger.com/files/th_images/tesla-eckh-01.jpg)


Yes the just got 500 million dollars from the Feds for thier cars. With that juicy taxpayer infusion the price should drop from 110k to just over 80k.
All we have to do is give them a couple billion more and then we regular people might be able to afford one.


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: bsmooth on February 25, 2010, 06:45:42 pm
Different strokes. I'd never get a Mustang. They're douchemobiles.

Why is it a douchemobile?? If you look at just about every car and there are douche owners. I would offer up that many Prius and other hybrid owners are douches as they look down on other drivers and act as if they are superior because they bought a hybrid.


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Buddhagirl on February 25, 2010, 07:09:50 pm
Why is it a douchemobile?? If you look at just about every car and there are douche owners. I would offer up that many Prius and other hybrid owners are douches as they look down on other drivers and act as if they are superior because they bought a hybrid.

Mustangs fall under what I call "pussy machines". It reeks of guys thinking they're hot shit for having a "muscle car". (Yes I know a few on the board drive a Mustang...)
It's not just Mustangs. There are others, of course.

I do think the Prius comes with a bit of pretentiousness. But, at least they're not killing the environment or douchemobiles.

I think people's cars say a LOT about them. I tend to date guys that drive older, sensible cars. Not sure what that means.


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Sunstroke on February 25, 2010, 07:20:18 pm

A rare occasion where I disagree with ya, Buddha... I think applying character values to a driver based on what type of car they drive sounds about as douchey as it gets. Quality people and douche alike drive both Prius and Mustang. Period.



Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Buddhagirl on February 25, 2010, 08:07:48 pm
A rare occasion where I disagree with ya, Buddha... I think applying character values to a driver based on what type of car they drive sounds about as douchey as it gets. Quality people and douche alike drive both Prius and Mustang. Period.

In a sense, I agree with this. There are douches that drive both. I acknowledge that. However, I think that a car, just like clothes and other things we buy, are an extension of ones character. Why is that douchey?


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Sunstroke on February 25, 2010, 11:12:32 pm
However, I think that a car, just like clothes and other things we buy, are an extension of ones character. Why is that douchey?

Because you're blanket-labelling all drivers of a certain car model, which is one of those "Danger, Will Robinson!" situations for sure. To flip it around, it would be like someone saying "all marathon runners are douchey" simply because that person had met a few douchey marathon runners in the past.



Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Buddhagirl on February 26, 2010, 06:24:38 am
Because you're blanket-labelling all drivers of a certain car model, which is one of those "Danger, Will Robinson!" situations for sure. To flip it around, it would be like someone saying "all marathon runners are douchey" simply because that person had met a few douchey marathon runners in the past.



We are douchey, though. ;)

I don't blanket label ALL drivers of certain cars. There are always outliers. Also, there are a lot of cars that have no identity at all. See your average sedans, toyotas, etc. However, if you think, say, Hummers don't attract a certain type you're kidding yourself.

I freely admit that I drive what is considered a "girl car". I'm ok with that.


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Phishfan on February 26, 2010, 09:12:42 am
Because you're blanket-labelling all drivers of a certain car model, which is one of those "Danger, Will Robinson!" situations for sure. To flip it around, it would be like someone saying "all marathon runners are douchey" simply because that person had met a few douchey marathon runners in the past.



Stroke, here is one of the few time I disagree with you. I don't see what she did as blanket labelling the drivers, she blanket labeled the car. She acknowledged there were different types of drivers but kept standard on her description of the car itself.


Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: Sunstroke on February 26, 2010, 12:23:27 pm

I hear ya, Phish, but disagree... When I read her post...

Mustangs fall under what I call "pussy machines". It reeks of guys thinking they're hot shit for having a "muscle car". (Yes I know a few on the board drive a Mustang...)
It's not just Mustangs. There are others, of course.
...

I think people's cars say a LOT about them. I tend to date guys that drive older, sensible cars. Not sure what that means.

...it seems pretty clear (to me anyway) that the judgment being made is of the drivers of these cars.



Title: Re: TDMMC Cool Wall - 1- Hybrid cars
Post by: bsmooth on February 26, 2010, 08:06:15 pm
Mustangs fall under what I call "pussy machines". It reeks of guys thinking they're hot shit for having a "muscle car". (Yes I know a few on the board drive a Mustang...)
It's not just Mustangs. There are others, of course.

I do think the Prius comes with a bit of pretentiousness. But, at least they're not killing the environment or douchemobiles.

I think people's cars say a LOT about them. I tend to date guys that drive older, sensible cars. Not sure what that means.

I believe your description can be applied to performance type cars wether they are domestic, asian, or european.

It all depends on what you do with the cars. I personally own three Mustangs( a 67, 84, and a 2000 GT) and a 67 Cougar. I know many people who drive and act like asshats in their cars and it reflects on all of us
But I take out my urges out on the dragstrip or roadcourse.
I do agree that certain personality types of men are drawn to certain cars, but on the same note there are distinct types of women drawn to various cars too. I have had many woman come up and talk to me either because they liked my car or the color of it, and they all seemed very similiar in nature, but I did not buy my car to meet them.
I love old cars, but then again I like old furniture, old books, old buildings, etc. It is probably why I am a history major.