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I got this through CBSsportsline...It's TMZ, and I've not seen any other sports sites mentioning it...
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/05/ben-roethlisberger-accused-of-sexual-assault/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/05/ben-roethlisberger-accused-of-sexual-assault/)

Hmm I'm thinking Once a coincidence,twice, a pattern...

I'd like to see if anything pans out from it before saying it's a pattern...but it wouldn't surprise me at all, given Ben's on-field propensity for hanging on too long in the pocket. ;)

came across our news wires too, so it's probably legit.

The part about the first alegation that makes it seem so untrue is she aleged he left the pocket early. 

That's what I was wondering.. Thanks Tony..

If they decide to prosecute him, he could be in a lot of trouble.

Why doesn't he just get a trophy wife and call it a day? Get a mail order bride or something but just stay out of trouble! He's probably too nice to these females who gives him some and then they turn on him. Leave these women alone Ben!

Yeah, 'cause he is so innocent poor Ben and the mean mean women. ::)

Yeah cause having sex with a floozy has never been a problem for a married athlete.......

That guy needs to Talk to Tiger Woods and get an upgrade in his whore/skank content.

Great advice. That worked so well for keeping Tiger's wondering eye from wondering.

I wish I had read all the similar responses before posting now.

Exactly. At least he just pays a bunch of lawyers instead of an ex wife. He's got to stop all the hit and runs though and maybe try for a quality relationship or two. If your going to pick up skanks you need a full time body guard /wittness to screen them and keep you out of trouble.

Maybe he should just pay for some high-end escort service and stop worrying about nookie coming back to bite him...

well.....thats kinda illegal too, unless your in Vegas. But I agree its better then getting investigated every other week for sure.

He is a famous athlete with a lot of money. He needs to stick with the groupies who will willingly throw their self respect out the window to fuck a celebrity and stop trying to get every chick because he thinks he can.

You ever see Pittsburg Groupies!!? Thats exactly why he's in trouble! ::)

Two sexual assaults in less than 16 months, I concurr it seems like a pattern but I have a question.  In each case what exactly did he do?

Ben might lose his endoursement of Big Ben's Beef Jerky......

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/steelers/2010-03-08-roethlisberger-image_N.htm

I will refrain from making any childish comments about his Beef Jerky getting him in trouble in the first place.....

Some enterprising Young whore could also make the same conclusion.  ;)  If Ben doesn't learn after this one he deserves whatever he gets. And I'm not talking about STD's.....

Intresting article:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/at-best-big-bens-image-is-shot



Ouch........ ::) :P

His head wasn't on straight BEFORE he rode the motorcycle without a helmet.  That didn't make it any striaghter. 

Perhaps he's guilty.

Perhaps he wants to go out and party, which is his right to do.  ...nothing wrong with that.  He could be a target.

We should wait until more facts come out.  There are plenty of broke guys who would go out and bang hot women, but aren't at risk of a lawsuit.

There are plenty of NFL players that have a lot of money who bang every chick that is willing.  Big Ben appears to also want the ones that aren't willing.  Keep in mind kids like Cromartie and Chris Henry like to party just as much as Big Ben....there problems don't stem from lack of consent. 

Ben has the right attorney. If he can get a player off of a murder charge rape is a cinch!!!  >:D >:D >:D
 

I know a couple of extremely discreet "working midgets" who could really rock Big Ben's world, and they don't mind at all when things get a little rough.

A set-up like that could save Roethlisberger's career...

OMG I just spit the purple Kool-Aid all over my key pad!!!

Coming to a bookstore near you......

(http://i43.tinypic.com/29xekjn.jpg)

He doesn't have the race card going for him.......... ::)

Ha!  pretty Good!   ;D :D

The DA has announced that no charges will be filed against Roethlisberger, citing lack of evidence.

From the several different sources that I read, it sounds like everyone was totally shit faced and he and the girl were in the bathroom together for a length.  The stories are all over the place.  I think everyone was too drunk to remember exactly what happened.  I blame both of them for putting themselves in a situation like that.

Here is angle that nobody seems to be discussing at all......

It was a WOMEN'S bathroom.

In at least some NFL stadiums entering the wrong bathroom (b/c the line in the gender correct one is too long) will get you thrown out of the stadium and cause you to forfeit your season tickets.  This has happened at newer stadiums where building code mandated equal or more women's bathrooms than mens despite the crowd being overwhelmingly male.

If going in the wrong bathroom is reason for a fan to lose season tickets with no refund, shouldn't a player doing the same thing result in some sort of suspension.   

I did not know that.  The articles I read just said "bathroom" so I assumed it was one of those unisex bathrooms that just have a single toilet and sink.

Interesting.

Nothing says I love you more than bending a girl over in the toilet.

You can look at it two ways: 

1) She could have asked him to follow her.
2) She could have gone in there to get away from him.

I don't see him sexually assaulting a female in a public bathroom in a college bar. Unless this was a small bathroom with only one toilet, those places might as well have a revolving door making it virtually impossible to have forceable sex. That is just my opinion.

It was a single occupancy women's room. 

(Personally I have never seen the point in those and figure it would be better to have two unisex bathrooms than one labeled for each gender if they the designed to be used one person at a time, but the norm in this country is have them segregated by gender.  I think the model used for airline toilets or porta potties [multiple unisex single use facilities] makes more sense when each bathroom is designed for only one person, but that is irrelevant.  The point is it was a women's room.  He should not have been in there in the first place.)

All single occupancy toilets I have ever seen were .multi-sex ones.

the whole thing stinks, but two DA's have declined to press charges.  So something doesn't add up.

After working college bars for years as security, I can tell you that this happens regularly with people engaging in consentual sex, and more than a few females have been attacked over the years.
Also Ben is a huge star in the NFL and it is ultimately going to come down to a he said/she said debate in the courtroom, and the DA's may not have felt they may not get a conviction based on his status and did not want to waste the resources for a case that would have an iffy outcome at best.

Personally I have no doubt Ben is probably guilty as this type of thing keeps dogging him, and he keeps putting himslef into bad situations with poor choices. Where there is smoke, there usually is fire.

did you guys hear the bradshaw sound bite?  awesome!

uhmmm.....

I think this falls into the OJ Simpson gray area......

More than enough evidence to conclude "he more probably than not" committed sexual assault, but not enough evidence to conclude, "beyond a reasonble doubt."

Why the uhmmm? Not every guilty person gets sent to trial, and his behavior and judgement has been questionable in the past. He has laid down a pattern of conduct that makes it very plausible he may have done this.

It seems like a lot of people here are willing to believe the victim in this case.  This article is pretty damning.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5094224

Not the mental picture I had originally. I agree, pretty damning.

Your juxtaposition of "no doubt" and "probably" made me go "uhmmm" as well.

Do you feel his "probably" guilty which means you have some doubts or do you have no doubt he is guilty? 

Well without all the evidence at hand one cannot conclude equivocally that someone is guilty of a crime, but based on what has been released/leaked and his past behavior and accusations a pattern has developed that leads me to believe that he probably did commit a crime.

Apparently he is guilty of something. Goodell is suspending him according to ESPN.

Any conduct that's "morally objectionable" is grounds for suspension. There's absolutely no need for players to have committed an unlawful act.

I think walking around with your dick hanging out qualifies.

^^^ That was one Time, I was really,really drunk...I've not had a drink in Ten years..Geez let it go please..... :D

I wonder how much counseling, AA meetings and such will be in the punshment,and how much time wil get knocked off for timed served (IE Vick's being reduced to 2 games.)

So... Big Ben got 6 games. Word is, it can be knocked down to 4 if he keeps his nose clean etc.

Way too much, IMHO. Not sure I like the whole punishment-without-conviction thing Goodell has going on, but at least EVERY single previous instance has had an arrest and/or charges being filed. Not so this time.

This came up in the gym this morning. I was told this was reverse racism and they needed a white guy to take a fall. Though I don't see it that way I'm guessing more than a few people probably feel this way.

I don't see this as relevent.

Either you have a policy of only punishing after a conviction or you don't.  Arrest or charges being filed is irrelevent.  An arrest or charges filed is a meaningless standard. 

He wasn't suspended for "breaking the law" he was suspended for breakig the personal conduct policy. Personally, I'm beginning to think he did something wrong and have no problems with a suspension. Even if he didn't assault the girl he has still admitted to having public sex under the influence of alcohol. Definitely reason enough for the NFL to pull out the personal conduct policy.

He (apparently) had sex in a bathroom at a bar. While not brilliant, it's not exactly the "public sex" you make it out to be.

And I genuinely dislike Goodell's application of the personal conduct policy. Not only is it extremely uneven (unless you define "even" by how much press an issue gets), it also forces a set of morals upon players that have no basis in law.

This neatly gets me back to:



It's not a perfect standard, no, but I disagree that it's meaningless. In order for an arrest to be made, or charges filed, a certain level of evidence has to be present. It doesn't mean the person wouldn't be acquitted or outright cleared, but it's better than Goodell's "instinct", which (as I said) appears dominated by public perception and media coverage.

^^Goddell didn't use instinct. He ruled based on the evidnece presented. Ben had admitted to consentual sex in an inappropriate place while under the influence of alcohol. Having charges filed for the sexual assault isn't relevant to the facts of what Ben has admitted. Charges were not necessary to prove misconduct.

^^^ Just makes me wonder what Goodell would do if a player came to him to confess some really freaky shit...like having an orgy with a group of nuns, or operating a black market "selling stray cats to Korean restaurants" operation...something pretty out there. Let's say that no one caught him...there's been no press coverage or anything along those lines. No one on his team knows anything at all either... What do you think Goodell would do? The moment he suspends that player, the story comes out and the NFL gets another embarrassment.

Does Goodell follow the same personal conduct policy anyway and let the press have at it?
Does Goodell direct the player to seek counseling, but to keep it on the down-low?
Does Goodell simply ask for more details about the nuns' undergarments?

I haven't said anything in regards to this topic until now, though I've certainly had my thoughts, but after reading this article, IF this is truly how it went down....well, then Roethlisberger is a--no, I won't even give the guy the justice of the term I usually use for guys I dislike (basically, one of the many synonyms for "penis")--he's a douchebag.  Again, we can't know for sure what happened that night, but if what the article states is true or fairly close to it, Ben is a scumbag, whether he truly *forced* himself on her or not.  From the sounds of it, he might as well have.

*edited to make it clear that I know that douchebag isn't a synonym for penis, I was going to say something else.   :D *

This is a pattern.  Reading articles and the medical findings from the girl immediately after this happened, some form of (in the least) rough sex occured. 

One thing that I don't hear people discussing is that Ben had a body guard outside of the bathroom.  No one was allowed within five feet of it after Ben went in.

This is a pattern for the guy.  There are few things worse than sexually overpowering a weaker person for your own pleasure.  It's disgusting, troubling and - with Ben - a pattern. 

The guy should be in jail.  That said, I don't blame this girl's dad for backing his daughter's decision to not move forward.  Her life, already turned upside down, would be shredded.

$200,000 fine to the Steelers...Buy Ben a better Baby sitter....

It would seem that Ben WorthlessRaper isn't particularly bright.

It was two bodyguards whom at least one was a Penn State Trooper. Also what is the law concerning consent under the influence? I know in California that you can be prosecuted for rape for taking advantage of a drunk girl and it has happened.

I have said this before, but I'll say it again: I don't like the NFL doing stuff like this.

The NFL isn't the law.  Our country has a legal system for punishing people found guilty of stuff.  It's not like there was some trail that drew out and sullied the name of the NFL.  There wasn't even enough evidence to try and press charges.

I don't "side" with Roethlisberger or anything like that -- the guy probably did whatever he's accused of, however, it's not the NFL's job to step in and be the morality police.

^^^ Lot's of jobs have morality police. Think of politicians as one. Actors are another group that can lose work based on personal decisions. Basically anyone in the public eye has to know what they are facing if they decide to live life in certain ways.

^^ Perhaps, but I don't think that the NFL should be one of those jobs.  It's one thing if Roethlisberger were found guilty of something (or even tried) where it hurt the name of the NFL of the Steelers.  But this is just an accusation of which he claims innocence, and no evidence presented to even bring the charges forward.

He is being presumed guilty.

This is the same point I was making earlier. You are confusing crimes with conduct. What Ben has openly admitted (sex in public places under the influence of alcohol) is a violation of the conduct the NFL expects.

His employer in the private sector would have fired him.  Why doesn't the league have a right to maintain levels of integrity? 

I think people lose sight of one important fact: He is an employee after all is said and done.  I dislike the "he wasn't found guilty" stance.  If he were anyone else, in any other career, and did what he did - he would have lost his employment.  Because he is an employee that 80,000 a week happen to come watch play, he is afforded certain things like suspensions versus termination.

I think each state has a law that speaks to this.  I know the law you speak of, there was a case not long ago where a person was tried and convicted for raping a girl who "agreed" to have sex under conditions where she wasn't in state to agree to anything. 

I'm not sure I agree with that stance Maine. Since no charges were ever filed and Ben never sat in a jail cell a private sector employer would have probably never heard about it. The only reason this story broke was because of his fame.

If that were the case the NFL would have zero ground for a suspension and the PU would be filing a grievance.  500 pages of police report are to the contrary.  The girl wouldn't move forward with charges, she didn't want her life ripped apart.  That is why he isn't in jail now (or out on bond).

Why do people keep insisting this? Legal troubles are not the only violation of the personal conduct policy within the NFL. They suspended him for what are known facts. Forget the legal responsibilities. If this had gone to trial and he was aquitted he was still going to be suspended just because of his admitted actions.

Dude, I agree with you.  I thought he should be out for the year.  I don't believe that the NFL should be limited to punishing it's employees only when a law is broken.

Plus this is not the first bad decision Ben has made over the last couple of years.
Do not forget how many people bitch that players can get away with murder( or the helping of covering one up like Ray Lewis) and it reflects badly upon the NFL as a brand, so now they are trying to clean it up.
I for one applaud them. Look at how bad the NBA has become tarnished with both thier players and refs scandals.