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If you voted for Obama, do you support the Healthcare bill they are trying to push through? If you do support it do you support the way they are trying to push it through?

I'm just curious as to where people stand today. Obviously I know where the conservative opinions are but I'm curious if this has turned you away in a time where jobs seem to be more important.

I support universal healthcare.  The waterdown version is better than nothing, but doesn't do enough.  We should have the same type of universal health care Costa Rica has.  (As in the country Rush Limbaugh said he would go to for if the US passed socialized health care)  Costa Rica has socialized health care (as does pretty much every developed country other than the USA). 

I support the health care bill, because I think it's a step in the right direction, but still needs some alterations down the line.  I think it will also get them.  Ultimately, I favor universal health care, and while this isn't that, it's sort of a form of socialized insurance.  I don't just like this because I want expanded government, but I think that it will ultimately lower the general cost of health care, per person.

As for whether its being "pushed down our throats", as I hear a lot in the media -- I just don't get it.  The people don't vote yes or no on health care.  Our government isn't set up like that.  We vote for individuals that in turn vote on our behalf.  It's how a republic is set up.

And we elected a president who campaigned on this effort.

I don't really know the ins and out of reconciliation and all the other methods that are used, so I can't comment.  However, I have heard several times before that you're better off not looking into how bills are made, because the process and negotiations are always messy.  (But to be fair, I'd probably be pissed if I were against the bill.)

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On a side note, I just don't trust the GOP right now.  I think that their "let's start over" talk is nothing but stall tactics.  I could be wrong, but I just don't believe them.  They have had full control of the house/senate/white house pretty recently and didn't make an attempt to alter the health care system at all.  Even though they say that it needs overhaul, their inaction during their time in power makes me think that their talk now is just lip service to avoid saying that they're happy with the status quo, which I feel is unsustainable.

Another thing -- some of the GOP ideas sound really good on paper, so they keep going to them, but there's a reason they aren't adopted.  I keep hearing about "buying insurance across state lines".  Sounds fine.  However, when explained this concept, it's a horrible idea.  Essentially, whichever state had the least regulation would be able to be the least expensive.  People from all states would choose the cheap insurance from the one state.  Then, all other states would have to loosen their regulations to match, in order to compete.  The result would be a completely unregulated insurance industry, which to me, is a catastrophic situation.

I'll be completely honest in that I, like many others, do not know what is in the bill. Do I agree in principle that our healthcare system should be overhauled? Yes. Do I agree with their current efforts? I don't know right now.

I object to the lies and hysteria the GOP, Fox, and their cronies have stirred up over this whole thing to help keep those who have made ludicrious amounts of money on the health care system continue with business as usual.
I do not have as big of a problem with the Dems using more obscure but legal methods to pass legislation as both sides have used these same methods in the past when it suited them. In particualr the GOP used it for unpopular votes concerning immigration.
I honestly do not believe either party is capable of remotely solving the long term issues and crisises this country is facing. Both sides have become so entrenched in partsian politics and trying to secure more power at the behest of the other party they have become blinded to the fact the population is suffering immensely.
We need a third party badly, at the very least for a wake up call to the main parties.
This issue has shown that neither side has any real ability to right the ship, much less steer it towards a calmer course.

I'm pretty much in line with this. No way I can say I understand exactly what this thing entails. 

I do know that its a shame that people who have worked all their lives here can't afford to pay health care as they get older. Their quality of life is so diminished because they need to get medical coverage. All Americans with 40 yrs of putting in this system should not have to pay for extended medical coverage. thats bullshit.

I do have a problem with illegal immigrants or those that just refuse to work getting the free health care at Tax Payer expense. Thats BULLSHIT.

I have an issue with illegal immigrants being given a service AT ALL, much less ones that refuse to work.

My gramps on my mother's side was straight off the boat from Ireland.  My father's mother came to this country from Djibouti.  I'm two generations removed from a Pilgrim myself.  I get the premise of coming here.  Don't want to keep them out.  That said... 

Become legal and we'll talk.  If my gramps and grams can do it, any one can.

Want to hear something nuts?  The Portland, Maine town council wants to entertain allowing ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS the opportunity to VOTE in local elections.  I can't wrap my head around that.

We have something in common. My Mother and my Granparents were off the boat from ireland in 1936. My mother was 2. My Grandmother and my mom and my aunt and uncle lived in Canada for 6 months until my grandfather was able to prove steady employment and call for them. So I definitely get the whole immigrant thing.

But they need to start holding people accountable for coming here illegally, NOT reward them. Wow. Whats going on is your Town would blow my mind Miane.  :P

I hear ya.

But, realistically, what can be done about it?

Currently, our health care system pays for illegal immigrants.  If a guy gets hit by a car without insurance, then goes to the emergency room, the hospital takes care of him.  He doesn't pay and it causes the cost of the hospital's services to go up to compensate, and your insurance rates go up to match.  That's how it works now.

How do we fix that?  Short of turning sick people away at hospitals, I don't see a solution.  But, even though I think it's wrong for illegals to get free health care, I would feel morally wrong denying them care in a time of need.

I don't know the answer to that problem.

^^^ It is a real simple solution. We provide them health care, through our jail system, while we ship them back home.

^ Retarded statement.

I'm sure that your parents, your grandparents, or someone in your lineage was an immigrant to this country. Had we thrown them in jail, you probably wouldn't have the opportunity to post ridiculous statements here because you would have been born in another country and not known or given 1 shit about the Dolphins.

Furthermore, it costs a hell of a lot more to throw "them" in jail than it does to give "them" a shot of penicillin or something that will help "them" and then shipping "them" out.

Yes, let's just close our borders and allow no-one to immigrate to this county because we suck at health care. Yes, that's the solution.

You call me out for stupidity while being completely off the mark. Did I ever say stop immigration? I don't think I ever said anything anywhere close. So you apparently support an complete open door policy and letting all illegal residents have immunity. I think that is completely stupid. You like to talk so much that sometimes you make things up just to rant.

I think that this would have the undesired effect of having illegals never go to the doctor under any circumstances.  It would create sickness in those populations, no preventative care, and a black market of doctors.

Plus, you have to deal with kids that were brought here illegally.  My bleeding heart can't know that some kid is sick without treatment because his or her parents can't risk them all getting sent home.

It's a tough issue.

Good points. The only thing I might be able to counter against (and I may be guilty of generalizations here) is that I doubt many illegals are taking part in preventative care anyway. Most natual born citizens that I know do't take part in preventative care. As a general rule, people only see doctors when they feel something is wrong (or the possible work/sports physical).

How about Clinics set up for them through the goverment . Only Emergency services would be handled through a local hospital and even then , once treated have the bill sent to the Feds.  Keep the costs of the private Hospitals down for those that pay for them.

As Someone who is probably on his way to bankruptcy from medical bills,and I don't have any insurance.I figure if I got in a car accident,and was hurt, it would be cheaper to put a bullet in my head than repair me......I don't care how it's passed,just pass something. There is so much money being thrown against this passing.and so many B.S. excuses on why not to pass it,it's not even funny....It's like anything else in this country,We all want Clean water,So a bill that Actually does something is drawn up.The problem is it costs some company money, profits,the bill is pigion holed to death,that by the time it's passed,it's merely recommendations,and they don't take effect for 10 years.... So nothing gets done....Sorry for my little rant....I would like to see people in Congress,actually do something,make a stand pass something,rather than worry about constantly being reelected....

I hope it....
Cut's B.S. administrative costs,takes care of malpractice insurance,does something to companies to lower the cost of prescriptions...IMO it's not fair,to give drugs for free to 3rd world countries,then charge us in the U.S. 2--3 times more....So they can still make a profit.....

Being poor,It's not Living it's Surviving....

That is deep stuff.

That would be great, if illegals paid the bills.  But they probably don't have the money for that.

I don't feel that there should be anything to dissuade illegals to do things like: a) send their kids to school or b) get medical attention when needed or c) report crimes.  These things are important to society as a whole, and it doesn't do any good for us to have sick people, uneducated kids, or criminals that know there's a community that the police don't protect.

I don't support open immigration by any means, but I think that it's still important that these services are still available.

I'll use another example:

Some immigrant Haitians here do not get licenses from the DMV.  They get fake ones made up or somehow skirt the system or just drive without them.  I don't want to "reward" illegals with government issued licenses, but at the same time, they're driving anyway, only they aren't learning the proper rules of the road and it's dangerous and costly for the rest of the population.

The way I see it is that these other countries are so shitty that it doesn't matter what we do to make America less enticing -- it's still going to be better than where they came from.  Therefore, trying to punish illegals be not offering services doesn't really help anything.

I don't have a solution.  I think you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I absolutely sympathize with you.  You are an American citizen and disabled . No problem to help you and others in the same boat.  But if you have 2 good arms and Legs.....not just 5 kids, you should be forced to pay your own.

Bullshit they don't. Go to the post office on a friday afternoon. The line is around the block for Postal Money orders sent to Mexico. Pull a drunk obe over and they have hundreds$$$ in their pockets because because you can't go to a bank wihout a Social security card.  They need a way to make them pay if they stay. And that does not mean make them legal.

They have hundreds in their pocket, because they don't have a bank.  Exactly.  They have a few hundred bucks to their name, probably.

I'm all for trying to make them pay, but I doubt you'll see much money from it.

That and $1 might get a cup of Coffee....you're full of shit...Force me to pay? with what the hair lint from my navel? You force me to pay, I'm homeless,and a whole different set of problems....I had $1.50 to my name since Tuesday,till this morning.....That makes alot sense ::),it's called working poor, my mom makes little more than enough to pay for her health insurance...

I find the entirety of the healthcare legislation process to be obscene, and a bright shining example of why our system (and, fundamentally, our society as it relates to politics) is broken.

Particularly, I am incensed at how the media simply refuses to do its job (reporting), and instead prefers to try to generate he-said-she-said ratings, where every story has two equally-valid opposite positions, and facts don't matter.  They allow Republicans to come on the air and declare that:

- position themselves as sincere defenders of Medicare, when dismantling Medicare has been a primary tenet of the GOP platform for the last 40 years
- declare that reconciliation is an extremist "nuclear option" prcess, when these same congressmen were happy to use it at will during the Bush years
- insist that "deem and pass" is an unprecedented, unconstitutional attack on our system of democracy, when Gingrich and co. set records for the frequency of its usage

This sh*t is simply absurd.  The GOP isn't even making honest arguments anymore; they are screaming for deficit reduction at the same time they are insisting that taxes be cut "across the board."  They are simply throwing whatever they can against the wall to see what sticks, and the media is not even attempting to hold them accountable for their past positions.  For the last year, the GOP party platform has literally been "whatever Obama is for, we're against that."  It's pathetic and I cannot believe that the Democrats are not hammering them with their own hypocrisy around-the-clock.

While I'm probably in a better position financially that Lil B, the last 2 years of my life have been spent dealing with the ramifications of getting sick. I have coverage - if you recall, my insurance company booted me out of the hospital while I was still at risk to have a stroke - but they denied a bunch of stuff and it just wasn't great coverage. I've dropped thousands of dollars paying off these bills and keeping myself healthy. Just the other day my insurance company denied another procedure that was done. I have to pay out of pocket for that, too.

I'd like to shop around for insurance, but I'm pretty sure that I will be denied coverage if I do that. So, I'm stuck with crap insurance that I'm paying through the nose for.

So, in a nutshell I don't give a shit how it's passed. I do know we have to do something. Healthcare is a basic human right. Period. Only greedy fucks want to make sure that no one else gets the same care they get. See:  The entire GOP.

Also, I agree with Spider Dan. The media is doing a horrible job reporting the facts. There's a lot of misinformation being thrown around right now and it's pathetic.

I've seen as much as $6000 Cash on them. Puts Law enforcement in a tough spot because I personally know of one cop who got busted for stealing from them. Hispanic as well, he was very slick until they sent a Mexican out with a wire and $2500. I would be all for putting the money away in a fund that helps pay for health care for the poor and homeless. Give them 90 days to prove where they made themoney or its forfeited. If they do somehow prove it, take out the appropiate Taxes and fine the employer.
Cut thos shit out real quick.

I think you took me wrong. I am on your side. Disabled Americans should get free health care. Its the illegals and those that believe having 5 children makes them exempt from working. Getting in a severe Car accident is a completly different story.

I'm not disabled...I feel like it right now...

Again........I know nothing about you so I feel everytime I udder a word I could be saying the wrong thing. I'm sorry you do not feel well. I hope you get all the help you need.

I'm sorry for your situation.....but you are a bit bias to answer this question fairly.  You don't give a fuck? I'm sorry. I broke my ass to get my Job and my current benifits . I DO GIVE a fuck. I'm all for helping others but not at my expense. I worked 80 jrs last week and another 60 this week. I'm leaving for the Midnight shift in just 2 hours. Once you realize your not the only person in your little world maybe some sense will kick in.

I just wanted to clarify,because in your one statement, you said you're an American,and disabled.... ;) My boss is changing his stance on healthcare, after seeing the bills coming in from my 3 knees surgeries/procedures this year,which he's paying out of pocket,as her refers to it as the price of doing business....

Fine. Then admit you're a greedy fuck.