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Adam Shefter is reporting it now on NFL Network. He's saying it took two second round picks, but details are still a little sketchy.

WOO-HOOO!!!

This makes me happy.

It's not April 1st is it?

Just heard this, not bad for a 2nd round pick

^^^ Supposedly two second round picks, but I'm still trying to find details.

Heard this on the radio on the way to work this morning.  This could be huge for the Fins.  They are desperate for a big time receiver and this guy is one of the best in the business.  I just hope that the baggage doesn't exceed the benefit.  If he performs like he has the past 3 years, he is definitely worth a number two this year and a number two next year.  2 number 2's isn't cheap, but draft picks are always a crapshoot anyway.  So I'll take a proven star for 2 number 2's anytime.

I'm happy!  Who wouldn't want a 6'5" monster like him lining up at WR? 

Only caveat:  ESPN says he's one misstep away from a year-long suspension?  Is that right?

Who will get him the ball.  Henne sucks, so maybe he is just a diversion?

Tepop, I could throw a 40-yd jump ball for Marshall to catch so you can be damn sure that as Henne doesn't *quite* suck as much as I do, he'll be fine.

YES!!!!!!!! now go get us some speed in the secondary in the draft!!!

Excellent pick-up from a production standpoint, just hope the Fins can control the off-field issues that he has had in the past.  Definitely an upgrade for the WR position, makes a legimate downfield threat AND open the underneath for Bess, Hartline and Camarillo.

Could be a BIG year for Henne and the offense.  ;D

since he is a fairly big receiver, he should help with blocking in the running game.

FUCK YEAH!!!!!

I look forward to your "Henne still sucks; it's only because of Marshall that he's having a great year" garbage in November.

Holy cow. i can't believe it!

I was absolutely blown away when I heard this news! 

I think this is a good move, but no slam dunk considering we appear to be giving up two seconds (which I consider to be great value picks) and we have to give this guy a pretty sizable contract.  At least we know that he is a hell of a player.

Finally someone who has superstar ability on our offense!  Time to sell some Jerseys and game tickets!

Another takeaway from this trade is that it shows that the braintrust is willing to make the necessary moves to try to make this team a Super Bowl contender.  In a sport where the business side often trumps the sports side in that personnel decisions often are made more in the interest of bottom line rather than success on the field, it makes me feel good as a Dolphins fan to know that the team is willing to spend the money and take the chances that Super Bowl contenders take.  It gives me hope for the future of the organization.

On Dolphster's note, I would also like to add that I think the psychological impact on the rest of the team will be outstanding for many of the same reasons.

Mad Props To Maine,and His influence on the Front office.....I was wrong....

Good point.  I think that players might be less likely to "jump ship" if they think that their team is committed to winning.  Granted, chasing money will always be number one for just about all athletes, but when all other things are considered equal, I think the competitive spirit to win still has some impact on a team.

holy shit did they overpay him.

(47 mil for 4 years)

I actually think this makes Ginn a bit of a threat now!  You can't  single cover Brandon Marshall, and If you do.... Ginn can run past single coverage especially with Devon Best running underneath.  I'm hoping we can get a TE like Patta late in the 4th round to open up more possibilities.    Patta is wishful thinking we need too much help on defense to pick him up with need at OLB and Safety.  I figure Brandon means we get our NT in Williams at #12 but who knows?


Not if he does what he's done the last 3 yrs 100+ catches...

I certainly hope he represents UCF on the Dolphins better than Culpepper did!!

I think it was Mike Nolan having the inside story on him,being the D- coordinator for the Broncos last year,gave the trifecta the confidence to pull this trade off.

Good move by Parcells and co.

Now the situation with Ginn gets more interesting.

What could they get in a trade?  If it's only a late rounder, they're better off keeping him, if only as a KR.

Edit:  I say keep him.  Let him team up with Marshall.  See what happens.

It actually works out to 5 years, $50 Mil.  He had a one-year tender w/ the Broncos at 1 year, $2.5 Mil.  The Dolphins gave him a 4 year extension at 47.5 Mil.  Still a lot, mind you, but it's essentially what Larry Fitzgerald is making.

Mr StL heard on his way to work and called me with the good news.  This is just what the doctor ordered for the Dolphins and Marshall will be happy too.

As long as the Dolphins are paying for that contract and not me, I'm groovy with it... I am just so freakin' happy that Miami FINALLY has a legitimate #1 receiving target on the roster. I am not 100% sure that it will make Ginn perform any better, but he ought to at least do a "little bit" better, just because he won't ever have to worry about being covered by a team's #1 corner while Brandon is on the field.

D-Line and safety in rounds one and three now, and with the depth at NT, I am "almost" hoping that Miami targets Thomas in round one and then looks to the nose in round three. There's just a LOT more depth at DT in this class than FS, and I think that going this direction nets us the best chance of getting two "immediate contributors" at those positions.

Man, team Earl Thomas up with Vontae Davis and Sean Smith in our D-backfield...mercy, that could be a nightmare for opposing QBs the next few years.

My first thought when I heard the Dolphin's traded for him was, "wow the Dolphins made a great pickup."  After seeing what they gave up in terms of picks and how much they are paying for him I am not nearly impressed. 

While Marshall is better than Santonio Holmes, I would be more willing to give up a 5th for Holmes than 2 - 2nds for Marshall.  Also I don't think Marshall should be the highest paid reciever in the league.  The salary cap will be coming back.  And Holmes isn't exactly a poster child for being a team player and Mia seems to have gotten no discount for that.

I say Denver came out ahead in this trade by a lot. 



 

Maybe a little, but A LOT!  You gotta be kidding!

The only way they come out a lot better is if Marshall ends up with major suspension issues or injury problems.  This guy is a top 5 receiver in this league if not top 3.  I think 2 second rounders isn't a bad price for that kind of talent in today's pass first league.

If Marshall continues doing on the field what he's done the past 3 yrs he's well worth it!  He's 26 and can produce for the length of his contract and after.  T. O among others were asking for 10 mil a yr and he's past his prime... so a Marshall in his prime is worth 10 mil a yr.   Besides being with team mate Darrent Williams when he was killed before the problems of last yr you didn't hear much about Marshall's problems.  Even with all his problems and suspensions last yr he was still the Broncos offense!

I agree.  Maybe Marshall can teach this kid a little something.  Think about it, when has Ginn ever had a veteran to learn from, aside from 3 weeks with Chris Chambers?  I hope they don't deal away Ginn.

It's hard to refer to Marshall as "a veteran Ginn can learn from" when Marshall will be in his 5th year and Ginn will be in his 4th.  Ginn is a veteran at this point.

Agree, he is, but it seems like he never got off the ground, which is why everyone expects more from him at this point.  He was asked to be a leader, and he never got the chance to learn.

Lets hope his diva/drama days are behind him now. For two 2nds and 50 million he better perform like one of the Marks brothers.

The Jets gave up less for Holmes- but take a look at it : the Jets basically traded that pick for the rights to have Holmes for 8 games, and the right to negotiate with him during the year. I'm sure the trade for Marshall was contingent on him signing the extension the Fins gave him.

Plus- look at what the Fins management has done with second round picks- They've had 4. One seems to be a bust (White), two seems to be good picks/ starters (Henne and Sean Smith), and one is a backup who may pan out to be better, or may not (Phillip Merling). So with a 50% success ratio on second round picks, why not deal them for a proven WR?

There are four, and only four, "holy crap he's terrifying" young wideouts in the league right now:

Andre Johnson
Brandon Marshall
Larry Fitzgerald
Calvin Johnson (projecting here as he enters his fourth season)

Miami got one of 'em for a John Beck and a Pat White.  Yeah, I'm OK with this.  Marshall's guaranteed performace for the next 5 years.  Denver has to pray they draft correctly.  If they hit on both # 2s, then maybe they come out ahead.  but they'll have to hit big.

I don't see having problem children on a multiyear deal as plus.  Almost every player preforms better in the year leading up to a contract and then slacks off after he has the multiyear deal with a gazillion in guaranteed money. 

Holmes is playing to stay in the league and his next pay check, Marshall doesn't need to do squat for the next four years. 

The point everyone seems to keep missing is, he still went out and produced even though he was at odds with the team.  With all his problems in Denver last yr he still had 101 catches and 10 TD's...   He still went out and played his ass off he didn't cause problems and not produce on the field or disappear like a T.O. does at times.

It was a contract year. 

Ok! last yr was a contract yr he still produced the yrs before that!  He has caught 100+ passes 3 yrs running. If the Jets or Patriots had signed him you guys would be acting like you just won the Super Bowl But since Miami got him all you wanna do is try and tear him down ::)

I remember Randy Moss being a head case and problem child but the Patriots sure were glad they got him! ::)

Since you're talking about "almost every player," I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for you to provide some adequate support for what I see as a ridiculous statement... Maybe you could start with "almost every" Patriots player that falls into this group, as you're more familiar with that roster.

Please note you are talking to a Patriots fan and resident troll.  He is supposed to try and tear down anything the Dolphins do.  It's his role.

I heard the news of Marshall's trade this morning at 5AM Mountain Time. I kept checking to see if the Denver Post had anything on the trade (makes sense since Denver was involved) and nothing showed up on their web-site until after 3:00PM MST.

I was in downtown Denver today and those who knew about the trade are really incensed!

I kept saying that Marshall was not a bad guy after all. A couple of incidents and the press painted him as a malcontent. I've said this before...Marshall wanted out of Denver because of the Darrent Williams incident. That bullet was intended for Marshall not because of what he'd done but his bone head cousin who escalated the incident. It messed with him a great deal which caused some erratic behavior. Everyone from Bowlen to Shanahan to Marshall was affected by what happened to Williams . No sportswriter has mentioned thatf Marshall's behavior was at
Wiiliams death. At the same time, his contract became an issue and his relationship was rocky. This could drive any man in any profession INSANE.

This is why I dislike beat writers. Many beat writers go on what they colleagues say. Players know this so they try to avoid the beat writer because that could lead to some heat between the beat writer who has to sell papers and the players. Look at what happened to Vontae Davis. There was nothing wrong with his attitude.

The Dolphins HAD to make this move and many of the local sport writers are prejudging Marshall and he's not in South Florida yet.

I hope that he proves everybody wrong that says he is a trouble maker. Teammates liked him but the new regime didn't. McDaniels is not going to last long in Denver running players off. I hope Parcells consistently challenges Marshall to be a leader.

Christmas has come early for the Miami Dolphins.

This is also a response to Sunstroke.

2007 Moss had a one year deal.  Broke Rice's record.  Went to the pro-bowl. 

Signed a multiyear deal.  2008 and 2009 he caught appx. the same number of TD over a two year span as he had in one year.  And while he didn't come close to returning to his Oakland ways there have been news of him not working as hard in 2008 or 2009 as he did in 2007. 

Patriots took a risk on Randy Moss.  One that paid off well. 

But the risk only included a single 4th round draft pick and a one year contract. 

The Jets are taking a risk on Holmes.  But it too is only a one year deal at the cost of a 5th round pick.  We don't know how it will turn out, but if it blows up it will only hurt them for one year.

The Dolphins are taking a risk with Incongnito.  But it is a one year risk.  If it blows up it will only hurt the Dolphins for one year.

The Dolphins are taking a huge risk with Marshall, b/c if it doesn't work out it cost them 2 - 2nd round draft picks and will affect the salary cap until 2013. 

I would have been happy with Marshall on the Patriots...but not at this price tag.  The Dolphin's overpaid.  



 

^^^As far as responses go, noting a couple of isolated instances as support for your "almost every player" blanket isn't really much support at all.

I really wasn't wanting to post this because it doesn't offer a contradicting view, but it seems like something you should consider watching before you talk too much like this.

Brandan Marshalls Checkered Past...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-brandon-marshall-espn-video-10,0,2784995.htmlstory

Keep in mind, I don't back the word of just one party and I can see a lot of reasons for false information to come out of this.  However, I don't feel it should outright be ignored either.

Pretty much every FF magazine discusses this phenomena, I am shocked you are unaware of it.  

I've written for enough FF publications over the years (ESPN FFL, DraftSharks.com MVPWeeklyReport.com, others) to understand fully that those writers are as likely to generalize and throw a blanket across things as anyone. All you really need to have in order to write for an FF mag are a keyboard, an opinion, and a fair-to-middling grasp of the English language.

Saying "pretty much all the FF mags discuss this..." isn't really decent support either. I was hoping you could provide something concrete to validate the point, but I see now that all you're going to do in way of response is make assumptions and point to unverifiable and obscure references.

Please send Brandon Marshall a private message to apologize for your blanket goofiness and we'll call it a day.

Just seems like a crazy ex. bitches be lying.

I hear you man, but you have to admit she seemed like she was more than just an actress for those 911 calls.  Did she overstate things, possibly.  Best person to ask would be that cab driver, good luck finding him.

Is it overpaying for a young proven WR with over 100+ catches in 3 of his 5yrs in the league?   Is it overpaying for one of the top 3 WR's in the game?   He's 26 and his YAC yards have increased each yr In the league.   The DB's that have lined up and played against him all admit he's the toughest WR to bring down once he catches the ball.  One DB even referred to him as a DE with the ball saying "Marshall looks to dish out punishment to anyone that tries to tackle him".

Hmmm maybe...  But I'm glad we took the risk!  If he plays at the same level he's played at for the next 5yrs even after all his problems in Denver... I'd say the Dolphins will benefit from it.

Consider this.

When Ricky Williams quit the Dolphins, the press painted Ricky as a weird person not capable of functioning and always being a pot head. Back then, you could not tell a Dolphin fan (especially on this board) that Ricky had some valid reasons for quitting:

1. Wannstedt was running him into the ground
2. That he cared about more than just football
3. He was trying to find his true self.

But that doesn't sell papers or tickets. No one cared about what was going with Williams, fans included. They just want him to run the ball 392 times a season and gain 1,800 yards.

No press person, beat writer or person from EPSN had never mentioned those three things. LeBatard touched on it briefly but for some strange reason, he didn't go all the way into the subject.

I know several Broncos and Nuggets out here which are not partitioned off like they are in Miami. So again, you don't know WHO I know or what I know so if I have an opinion, I'll state it. Fact is that if you were targeted to be killed and your teammate got it instead of you, no amount of money could make up for that. You would have psychological problems. It will affect EVERY area of your life.

I've been following other teams for years and the Broncos is one of those teams. Brandon Marshall is the best wide receiver to ever put on a Broncos uniform. Not Haven Moses, Steve Watson, Vance Johnson, Anthony Miller. Rod Smith is the benchmark but as a rookie, Marshall did some amazing stuff that Smith couldn't do.

But black athletes are expected to be dumb by the establishment and have no feelings and just go catch the damn ball. No room for the black athlete to have feelings or be affected by a tragedy. So basically, you have a majority "white" press establishment analyzing other cultures and not providing the real truth behind the behavior and you know that's true. Sports isn't excluded.

I live in Denver and you practically heard about this everyday. You haven't even read the transcripts of Marshalls' testimony so how can it be false information? This was HEADLINE NEWS out here in Colorado, strangely historic at that. When Marshall testified, it was almost a play by play account of what happened that night as he said it.

So maybe what you need to do is READ WHAT'S GOING ON IN ANOTHER REGION.

And even as far as domestic violence. If the cops get called, someone is going to jail. It's simple as that. Most of these women have a way of provoking men, especially the ones who have money to get their money. It's just like with Chris Henry and Big Ben. You're a target if you make a lot of money in America because of the country's fascination with excess materialism. Most women these days want money and security and a lot will do anything to get it. If they have to give up some a$$ then charge you with rape, they will do it in a minute and not even think about it.

I hope that Marshall does really well in Miami. Parcells has dealt with a lot of "problem" players and maybe he knows some positive truths about Marshall that the press and fans ignored with the exception of Marshall catching the ball and scoring touchdowns.

It's just sad that the average person can see that there's always more behind the scenes.

Anyway, the Dolphins got a steal. I hope that Marshall goes to five straight Pro Bowls and proves everyone wrong.

Ethurst,

Don't misunderstand me, I never insinuated that Marshall was everything that piece insinuated.  However, the 911 calls were somewhat compelling and shouldn't be ignored.  I am not trying to stir up sentiment against him.  As long as none of this reoccurs, I see no reason to be anything but supportive of his addition to our team.

BTW, A close friend of mine is someone who I would consider to be an expert observer of the Broncos.  I talked to him about Marshall and he felt that many of the accusations and situations he put himself in were legitimate based on what he had seen.  He also felt fairly confident in saying that he believed that most of the immaturity issues were behind him and that he was an exceptional addition to our team.  He felt that the primary reason for the Broncos letting him go was to make a statement about nobody being bigger than the team.

"Most women these days want money and security and a lot will do anything to get it. If they have to give up some a$$ then charge you with rape, they will do it in a minute and not even think about it."

WTF? Seriously dude, you need to get help for your women hating problem.

^^^ Brandon sounds like someone who has been through that terrifying situation before.

Just curious, but have you ever had someone claim that you committed a crime that you actually didn't commit, just so that person could gain leverage over you?

I'd guess that most of us haven't...

I don't know what happened, I was not there, but to say most  women are looking for easy money is laughable.  Some maybe, a few definitely, but not most .

Most women and men want security both financial and emotional, and enough income to live comfortably without struggling, to say that this is not true is dishonest. Who here honestly looks for a mate who is a dirtbag loser with no motivation to work, pay for anything, provide the security they are looking for? No one.
Now gold diggers are a whole different breed entirely. Unfortunately the number of them has seemed to grown over the last 25 years or so, or they are just being reported about now.

I re-quote ethurtst: "Most women these days want money and security and a lot will do anything to get it. If they have to give up some a$$ then charge you with rape, they will do it in a minute and not even think about it."

I have a problem with the use of the word "most" in this quote.  I don't have a problem with someone stating this particular woman in this particular incident is a gold digger, but I do have a problem with someone stating that most women are gold diggers.

I think you misread what he was trying to say...  Yes he says "MOST" but he's saying most want "money and security" he then says a lot will do anything not most or all.

^ I think not.  He's posted many misogynistic things before.  I think some woman either took his money or left him for a guy with money, or both.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/17/the-truth-on-the-brandon-marshall-deal/

did everybody else read this?

Thanks for the link, tepop.

Contract numbers as reported by the media are almost always misleading. This contract has a real doozy: A $2.7M roster bonus if Marshall participates in 95% of all special teams plays.

Yeah, that's likely! (but it gets the media number to $50M for 5 years).

The article also makes the point that half the guaranteed money would be forfeit if Marshall cannot keep himself out of trouble and is suspended & cut.