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If this is better off merged with another thread, go ahead

But, anyway, what are our offensive needs now?

QB we're going with Henne
RB we're set
FB we're set
O-line looks alright, maybe could upgrade there?

WR we're pretty good

TE might be able to use an improvement


So now do we focus on D in this draft?  I'd like to see a better pass rush, especially if we don't re-sign JT

unless eric berry is somehow miraculously still there at #12, trade down and pick up an extra pick.

is it possible we can trade down, and pick up an extra one in second round to basically come out even? damn that would be sweet...

Get Rogers from Cleveland
get Rogers from Cleveland
get Rogers from Cleveland
get Rogers from Cleveland
get Rogers from cleveland
get Rogers from Cleveland

Then we get mcclaine 1st round
3rd round Cody if he still available if not the dt from ucla

yup yup

Eliminates the need for one more big play wideout.  Realistically, we went from having a logjam of mediocre to above average talent to pretty strong at the position. 

Your recieving corps just became
1. Marshall
2. Bess
3. Ginn or Camarillo depending on your point of view
4. Hartline
5. Ginn/Camarillo

That's a pretty nasty 5-reciever set if you ask me.  We haven't had a corps this good maybe since the Marks Brothers and Keith Jackson. 

It makes our new draft needs NT, ILB, DB, OLB and/or maybe an OL-TE if we get one late we like.  You can essentially spend the whole draft on one side of the ball and have a vastly improved team.

I think it makes the focus on defense, it just fills a hole.   I think we have needs at safety, OLB, and DT.  I think we'll grab a TE in there too.  But, what we don't need anymore is a WR. 

I'd expect to see them grab a RB in there, maybe, given Ricky and Ronnie being likely both gone in 2011.

I'm hoping we get Dan Williams in 1st  In 3rd we get a OLB or Safety there are decent guys after Berry and Thomas are gone. In 4th round if a TE like Patta is there that makes this offense even more explosive.  I would much rather see us address all our defensive needs with a NT, Safety, OLB and then a TE but I'm not sure like anyone else what will happen...

I don't think it changes much of anything, really.  I felt that we needed to draft defense (linebackers) in the first round anyway, and then best available with an emphasis on pass rush after that.

Linebacker

Safety

Nose tackle

Although I agree with Justin, I will be more specific on my assessment...

Outside Linebacker
Free Safety
Nose Tackle
Offensive Gaurd (possibly late rounds)

But don't be shocked it we go after a speedy running back, even in the first round.

^^^ The only speedy RB that would be reasonable for a team to target in round one would be C.J. Spiller, and I just can't see Ireland/Tuna doing that with all the other needs the team has.

We don't need an RB.

We should not draft one in ANY round in this draft

Why not?

Ricky is on his way out.  Ronnie's contract is unsettled.  Cobbs is unproven as a conventional runner and is coming off of a serious injury.  Hilliard still has a long way to go.  I really don't know the other guy they picked up, can't even remember his name.  I think he came from the Chiefs.

I don't have any problem at all with selecting a RB in this draft, but I really think it should be a fairly late pick...rd 6-7 area. Some small school kid with massive upside would do nicely there.

Rounds 1-3-4-5... NT, FS, OLB, OL

Nosetackle is the key to the 3-4.  Without a good one, we might as well bring back Tom Olivadotti.

We need defense all over the place that's for damn sure but that and ILB are two picks they better get right or we're in a world of shit defensively.

We can always franchise Ronnie if we need to.

And I think Ricky might return for another year.

And the bottom line is, wait till we need one to grab one. 

^^^ Ronnie Brown is on the trade block so I doubt they are worried about franchising him.

I have to ask ... am I the only one that thinks that the moves made by the Jets forced the Dolphins to make the Marshall trade? I mean, it is a very unParcells like trade.  I think this trade was forced and as such completely changes the way the Dolphins wanted to go into the draft.

I don't think the Jets' offseason moves influenced this trade any more than "any" division rival's moves would affect an NFL team. I think the Marshall trade was much more "forced" by past Phins' front office mistakes.

I have to agree. In my opinion, here's what it probably came down to (again, its my opinion, obviously, I don't have access to the Fins draft board!):

-They see a huge need for OLB or NT, and were probably looking to address this in the first round.

-There was a need for a playmaking WR who could step in and make an immediate impact and by default, make the other WR's better.

-They probably evaluated any WR's they felt would be available in the second round, and said "They won't cut it. Their impact won't be enough and they won't upgrade our receiving corps significantly".

So what to do?

-Take a look at any players that second round pick might be able to get you via trade. Marshall's name comes into play, a call is made to Denver.

-Denver said "we also want your second round pick next year".

-Fins management evaluated what kind of player Marshall is. Thinks to themselves "OK, if we take a WR in the second round this year, and he doesn't pan out, we'll probably be forced to pick a WR in the first round next year. SO- we can use a second round pick this year, and a first round pick next year on WR's out of college, who MAY OR MAY NOT have immediate impacts and help our team. OR we can use a second this year and a second next year and get a guy we know will be an immediate help to our team."

I disagree with 4life about the RB situation.  Ricky has made it VERY publicly known that this is his last season and he will not be extended.  This IS his last season.

Ronnie, while restricted this year, is being shopped for a trade and unrestricted next year.  I'd say the odds of him returning for 2011 is slim.

I'd rather see them bring in a guy this year for work as a 3rd down back or something, but what to do for this year's roster?  There's already 5 RB's on the team, none of which I'd be comfortable letting go.  So, maybe Lex Hilliard is the heir apparent?  I like Lex plenty, but is he an every-down back? 

Just foresee some trouble approaching if we don't address it soon.

You are not the only one.  However, there is an element to this trade that is very "Parcells like".  Even more than the whole Diva thing and a reluctancy to pay big money to players, Parcells seems to understand (and has stated) that you must first win in your division.  The fact that the Jets have pushed the envelope and the Patriots remain the consistant leaders of our grouping, Parcells had little choice but to make big moves to keep pace and give us a chance to win in our division.

Simply put, you can't put together a winning team by accepting a losing mentallity while you are trying to build through the draft.  You have to come into the thing with a want to win now attitude and accumulate young replacement players through the draft that will eventually allow the team to develop a chance for long term success.  Parcells is a master of this and uses a hard stance of "everybody is replaceable" in order to keep his star players from creating a division in the locker room.

Didn't Ricky just sign with an agent?

we should either trade down and grab a safety and DL help, but if Dez Bryant is on the board, we should definitely take him.

Why would we ever use a number one pick on a received when we just got Marshall? We have to go defense with number 12.

Well, my brain says that now, with Marshall on board, the dolphins need to go heavy on defense in the draft, looking at NT, OLB, and safety.

But my heart says CJ Spiller....I just see him as a rare, elite, game breaking talent, and paired with Brandon Marshall the fins would have a scary offense..

I agree my brain is probably right....but if they do pick up Spiller in the first round, next year might be fun with a lot of 42-38 Shootouts on sundays.

man it would take some brass stones to get spiller with the #12 pick, but it is dreamy to think of what that offense would look like.

parcells and co were definitely eyeballing percy harvin last year, and word is he would have been the pick if he was on the board.

i say if they could get a 2nd rounder for ronnie brown this year, say to the lions, watch out. you could certainly see them targeting cj at #12...

I am hoping for Earl Thomas.  If they can trade down and still get him, all the better.  Maybe Rolando McClain.  But if they pick Dez Bryant, I think I'm going to scream.

If we draft Dez Bryant, we would be a one dimensional team, but it'd be one hell of a dimension.

if they can get rid of ronnie for a #2, this is the kind of football player to target at #12: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=5092588 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=5092588)

I love Ronnie, but a 2nd rounder for 28 year old running back with 1 year left on his contract, is... unrealistic. His injury history (although not nearly the problem Tepop would claim) doesn't help either.

Finally, and this is my "why we shouldn't trade Ronnie" argument, Ronnie Brown is simply worth more to the Dolphins than any other team.

trade ronnie to pick up draft picks and get spiller with the #12.

they are shopping ronnie, that's for sure... looking at the espn article on cj, if you are going to take a gamble on first round picks on offense, that's the kind of kid you want to roll the dice on.

something tells me they are taking a hard look at him. sure it would be nice to pick up that lost 2nd round pick, but wouldn't make sense to get rid of ronnie, unless you are going to get a more explosive running back. if they can find a trade partner, even a third rounder would be ok if they can get cj in the first to replace him.

Although next year's draft class isn't very deep, the RB position is.  I say go defense this year, and wait until next year to draft a RB.

I agree with this completely, and would add one other thing... I really am looking forward to seeing what our offense looks like with a healthy Ricky/Ronnie, a dramatically improved (and extremely surehanded) receiving corps with a true elite #1 WR (read: safeties, stay out of the box!), a Chad Henne who should be past his first-year jitters and a relative abandonment of the wildcat formation. I'm thinking it could look pretty damned good.

I don't disagree. Despite my man crush on CJ Spiller, and my belief he will become a very dangerous offensive weapon, I know that the dolphins badly need a safety, a nose tackle, and a pass rushing OLB/DE type. But crushes are not rational things, and I can dream.