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There is a big rumor about Randy Moss being traded to the Vikings.  I'm on my cell so I can't post the link.  Its all over PFT.com so take it for what its worth.

Which means its probably complete speculation and not true.

I also saw on espn and fox sports.  Here is a link.

http://1500espn.com/sportswire/Report_Vikings_very_close_to_deal_that_would_bring_Randy_Moss_to_Vikings100510

Enough of the hate for PFT. If Tenshot said that Jay Glazer from FOX was reporting this, would it be more credible? Because thats who is reporting it. PFT merely has a link to that story.

^^ frankly, yes.  I've seen enough random crap from PFT that people take as fact because its posted on a "news site"

PFT is not a news site any more than this message board is.

I don't see anything about this on either ESPN or NFL.com

And PFT doesn't claim to be a news site. They say it is a rumor site. Blame the readers then, not the site. Personally I read it for the links to stories.

I didn't blame the site.  I TOTALLY blame the readers.  My comments are directed towards those (*cough*NFLNETWORK*cough*) who quote PFT like they're gospel and have Florio on as an "analyst" regularly.  I think they want people to think they are legit so on their 12 random guesses one may come true and they can say they "broke" the story.

Silliness, IMO.

Bill Simmons of ESPN broke the story.

Jay Glazer of FOX confirmed the story is true and in the works


PFT just posted a link to this. Yet people blame PFT. People are dumb! lol

Not to mention NBC owns PFT!!!!

So if you hate on PFT you are esentially hating on the NBC sports department.

Not the same thing at all.  I hate Dancing with the Stars.  Doesn't mean I hate ABC.
I hate ABC for entirely different reasons!  ;D

Who's this Moss guy you speak of???

Yes, it is expected to happen some time today. I kinda like the move.

Pats will turn around and trade for Vincent Jackson

That is why they are trading Moss

Done deal.

The Pats get a 3rd round pick in return.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Randy-Moss-trade-New-England-Patriots-Minnesota-Vikings-100510

Considering they only spent a 4th to get him and he gave them a bajillion wins, this is a good move for them.

At the same time, I'm glad we don't have to see Randy Moss again for another 3 years.

I don't get it.  They got a 2011 3rd (mostlikely now mid to late round).  Had he played out the season and signed as FA elsewhere they would have gotten a 2012 very late round pick for the FA comp. 

your ignoring one big fact....NE DOESN'T WANT HIM AROUND!!

They know he will be a lockerroom cancer in a few weeks and destroy their season

He had not been a locker room cancer up until now.  Why would he all the sudden become one?  I do think his comments about not being a Patriot next season hastened this deal.

For all we know he could have been a locker room cancer since the start of training camp.  BB's direction to the other players would almost certainly be "smile for the camera and say nice things about Randy."  With the exception of Tom Brady, who is too much of a professional to air the teams dirty laundry, anybody who defied BB on such a directive would be wearing black and silver this season. 

Apparently his remarks after game one  really ticked off BB. NFL Radio was also reporting that he was really having a hissy fit on the flight home from Miami because he was only thrown to once during that game.

But he hasn't been.  He's been a great locker room guy that wants a new deal.  Every player in the locker room respects and understands that. 

Actually I don't think this has anything whatsoever to do with Moss' character, this is strictly a football decision.  Moss wasn't going to be back next year.  They drafted a couple of TE's that are really looking good which they want to get more involved in the offense.  Even with Moss, this year was going to be a bit of a rebuilding year with a lot of young players on the defensive side of the ball.  They got a #3 draft pick for next year and they are stocking up on draft picks which they could use to move up in the draft and get a fast WR to replace Moss or maybe go after Vincent Jackson or something.  Who knows what BB has in mind, but this doesn't strike me as a "lets get rid of Randy because he's a cancer" thing as much as it strikes me as a "Now is the right time to pull the trigger on Randy" thing.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but there seems to be a lot of weakness at the top of the league this year. I wouldn't count the Patriots out, not by a long shot... and trading Moss does weaken them this year.

This is nothing new to NE.  They are known for getting rid of guys before having to cut them.  It's cut-throat, but admirable.  Think of how many players they got rid of that were still good players?  A ton.  And they got something for all of them, while the rest of us wait for guys to get old and get no value for them.

They said on NFL Radio that NE has 2 picks in each of the first 4 rounds in the next draft. Yikes!

Oh, I'm not, not at all, but I think they would like the gameplan to get a little more conservative and get away from stretching the field with Moss and start bringing in their 2 young TE's more and more.  That probably wouldn't have endeared Randy Moss to the gameplan.  Might as well get what you can for him now and save yourself the trouble of having to explain why Randy Moss isn't in the gameplan to either him or the press.  BB has a plan for this year, but he's also got an eye on the future.

Oakland's 1st
Own 1st
Carolina's 2nd
own 2nd
Minn 3rd
own 3rd
Denver's 4th
own 4th
own 5th
Saints 6th (don't have their own)
no 7th round pick

NE traded to KC a conditional pick for Jarrad Page-- don't know the conditions or what the max could be.

 

Sure on that? Seems that if Ochocinco or TO did this, everyone would be saying its "cancerous to the locker room".


http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5655198&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5655198

So is Brandon Tate the new starter opposite Welker?  He may have a lot of upside, but is he really a replacement for Moss?

I can see long term this is a good move for New England, but short term, this could make them a markedly weaker offensive team...and I'm just fine with that.   >:D

Week 5
It certainly helps them long term.  Randy was not going to be part of the team in 2011.
Short term it is mixed.  

The biggest downside is Randy did a great job at stretching the field and taking a CB and safety down the field opening up the short and intermediate routes.  Not having that will hurt the Patriots offense.

Here is why it could be a mixed blessing.  

In reality Randy’s greatest strength in 2009/2010 was as decoy.  Not production.  The Patriots won not by throwing the ball to Moss but by him opening up the field.  In fact throwing to him often resulted in losses as over half of Tom Brady’s ints came from passes in which Moss was the intended receiver.  Also Moss caught the lowest percentage of balls thrown his direction of any Patriots receiver.

If Randy was willing to happily play the role of decoy and be part of a team effort that result in a win, in which his role was not scoring the TDs but in setting up the field so someone else could, he could be a great part of the offense.  Alas, he was unwilling to take on that team role.

Also Tom Brady’s greatest strength as a QB is not the deep ball.  It never has been.  He has never been called a cannon.  What makes Tom one of the greatest QBs in history is ability to scan the field quickly and find the open receiver.  He does that probably better than any QB who has ever played the game.  And he has a bunch of targets – Welker, Edelman, Tate, Gonk, Hermandez.  He can find the open one. And the ones that aren’t open aren’t gonna be pissed off that someone else score a TD when they were covered. However, one receiver, Moss, would get pissed if someone else got the ball and would whine if the ball was not thrown to him when he was triple covered.  This did result in sometimes Tom not making the best pass for the team, but ones to placate a whining diva receiver.

So while Tate will not spread the field as effectively as Moss, I think you will continue to see a very powerful offense from New England and one that spreads the ball around to who ever is open.  You won’t see ball forced to Tate when he is double covered like occurred with Moss.  

Ok, I'm sure it had a "little" to do with it, but remember that Randy was upset from the beginning of the year that the Pats wouldn't make a commitment to him.  Bill has been pondering the future of the Pats and Randy for a long time.

Because he wants a new contract. He is in the final year of his deal and he wants some security. Not playing knowing 1 injury and he is screwed. And once the trade deadline passes without a new team or a new contract the "OLD" randy mos was going to appear causing trouble

don't be shocked when they package a few of their many picks to get Vincent Jackson

Here ya go.  See if this doesn't convince you that Moss was being phased out this whole year.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/19568/patriots-o-moved-away-from-randy-moss

I think it goes back further than that. 

Randy was great, both as a player and teammate in 2007.  You could not ask for anything more.

But things changed in 2008 when Brady got injured.  While other players on the offense were rallying behind Matt  and supporting him, Randy was less than an ideal teammate and considered the season over.  While he did come around I doubt BB has forgotten or forgiven Randy's lack of leadership.

In 2009 he was not by any stretch a full blown cancer, but he wasn't exactly a team leader either.

And he started grumbling at the beginning of this pre-season.  BB won't keep a diva or a me 1st player.

^^ Ok, but even if you think he's a diva you don't quit using him if you think he can help win games.  The fact is that NE is 3-1 and they were phasing Moss out of the gameplan and phasing in the TE's.  Maybe BB thought he could live without Moss even before the season started and after going 3-1 he decides he's right.  That's when you pull the trigger.  I still don't believe it had anything to do with his character, it has to do with winning ballgames which is all that BB cares about. He lived with Moss for a couple years, he could have lived with him till the end of the year if he wanted to or more importantly if he needed to.  He didn't.

You mean like Mike Vrabel?  Or Adam Vinatieri?  Or Lawyer Milloy?  Or Ty Law?  Or Richard Seymour?  Or Logan Mankins?

You act as if being a solid, standup player means that NE's brass will treat you with dignity and respect.

Patriots tried to resign Adam Vinatieri, Adam wanted to play in a dome.

Law, Milloy, & Vrabel were all too expensive capwise for their relative team contribution going forward.

Mankins was offered the highest RA tender of $3.26 million and is holding out.  Mankins also asked to be traded.  As not a single of the other 31 teams have expressed any interest in trading for Mankins, nobody else in the league apparently thinks he is worht more than $3.26 million either. 

Seymour was acting up.  That is why he got traded.

When did they "try" to resign him?  After his contract was up?

...i.e. the team felt it was in their best interest to dump them, regardless of their behavior.  Which was my whole point.

Read: he was not offered a new long-term contract.  His trade request came after NE started dicking him around.  Again, just because you are a quiet little soldier who toes the company line, do not think that such behavior will have the slightest impact in whether or not Belichick decides to screw you.

Acting up over what?  There's a common theme here.

Players who complain about their contracts get dicked.
Players who don't complain about their contracts... still get dicked.
So why act like it's Moss' behavior that's the cause of his treatment?  NE doesn't care about players not named Brady.

How is offering a player $3.26 million dollars that nobody else wants dicking him around?  When the Dolphins offered Wes Welker a lowball RFA one year deal instead of a long term contract, another team jumped in and offered him a long term deal.  If Mankins is really worth a long term deal and more than $3.26 million dollars why haven't the Dolphins or another team called up the Patriots and said, "hey we will give you a 3rd round pick for the rights to Logan?"   Maybe because nobody thinks his play is worthy of a long term deal at the dollars Mankins wants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0dCd8-4Skw

If you think nobody else wants Mankins, watch what happens if/when he's released.

The point I'm getting at is that even if you are a model employee, NE will treat you exactly as if you were a cancerous diva; they will use you up and toss you aside at the first moment of convenience.  They have a firmly established history of doing so.  So why pretend that only the problem children get bounced?

I am not pretending only problem children get bounced. However, one thing is clear...problem children do get bounced and sooner rather than waiting until later when the damage has already been done. 

The reason why this player got bounced was he had become a problem child.