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Adam Schefter is reporting Bill has packed up his office, moved everything out of the Dolphins complex and has left the organization.

I'm sure Ross and Ireland will spin this somehow tomorrow as its no big deal and we knew this was coming. But he is offically gone now.

bye.

he probably got mad that they cut Bobby Carpenter and took his ball and went home.

we all knew he was leaving. And this isn't earth shattering news. But couldn't he have waited till AFTER the season before this went public? Now its just another mid-week distraction that the coaches and players will be asked about all week.

What rush is he in? He's gettin paid.He already left day to day operations, was there such a rush to empty out the office? I don't get it. But whatever.

Parcells has a long history of leaving organizations when it suits him.

he doesn't care.  he's on his own schedule.  yet somehow he's still getting paid by Mr. Ross?

His contract stipulated that if Wayne ever sold the team, he would be free to leave and still be paid the remainder of his salary.

not that I'm a fan of dan lebatard. but he had a good article on bill last week:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/09/1865879/bill-parcells-avoids-the-wrath.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/09/1865879/bill-parcells-avoids-the-wrath.html)

somehow lost in all the shuffle, the Tuna leaves Miami and leaves behind an unfinished product.......whatever.

Gun for Hire, nothing else. last won a Super Bowl in 1991 and is lauded as the "great savior" for most teams that hire him.

Truthfully I think most of us didn't expect miracles from him and never really saw him as the man in charge of the day to day. Ultimately it always came down to Sparano and Ireland. I think Wayne just wanted football decisions to go to someone else and trusted Bill in that role. Remember, he had once given that same job to Dan Marino. I doubt anyone else will pay Bill to mnake the decisions the owner should be making.   

I think the Le Batard article is way off base and misses an essential point: GM's are not Head Coaches. Neither are "VPs of Football Operations" aka "Football Czars".

As for criticizing the draft picks... did Parcells even decide who to pick? That brings back he eternal fan question: What did Parcells actually DO here? What was his job? We know he had ultimate responsibility, but it seemed like all the outward functions were delegated to others. Is it really a wonder then that fans don't seem to react much when he leaves? (To me, it seems that his job was to put a structure and people in place to move the franchise forward -- time will tell if he's done that, but that part looks reasonable so far).

As for those draft picks... It seems a little early to judge most of the picks, but just for fun here's a list of the top picks since the Trifecta took over:

2008:
#1: Jake Long
#32: Philip Merling
#57: Chad Henne
#66: Kendell Langford

2009:
#25: Vontae Davis
#44: Pat White
#61: Sean Smith
#87: Patrick Turner

2010:
#28: Jared Odrick
#40: Koa Misi
#73: John Jerry

As I see it, there's ONE really bad pick in there and one "miss" (Turner). It's way too early to tell what this group will accomplish, but considering the bad drafting that's being going on in Miami for all too long, is this really a point to criticize? Hardly, IMHO.

The same could be said about bringing in Marshall? Is that really a point to criticize? Two future second round picks are about equal to a low first round pick. Are you telling me Marshall doesn't bring first round talent to the team? PROVEN talent.

Finally, the article fails miserably because it contains what all too many Le Batard articles do: His patented double talk. E.g.: He claims Parcells did a bad job while here, but also that the Dolphins are worse off for him leaving. If Parcells is doing a bad job, wouldn't we WANT him to leave? None of his claims are backed up by thorough, reasoned arguments or facts, of course.

The frustrating thing is that there are a lot of things that would be really interesting to know about Parcells' tenure in Miami, but Le Batard doesn't deal with any of them. (What did Parcells do? Who was behind the decision to bring in e.g. Marshall? To fire Bonamago? Did anyone of the Trifecta want to fire him earlier? Keep him? He alludes to a lot, but substantiates none of it.)

Perhaps most infuriating is the complete one-sidedness of article. It's basically a hatchet job on Parcells.

It's really easy to criticize the man on his way out, because you (probably) never have to deal with him again, but it's cheap. What about Wayne selling the team, despite Parcells agreeing to take the job only on condition that he didn't (with a provision in his contract that if he did, Parcells could leave but still get paid). How did Wayne selling become Parcells fault? Even Wayne is an easy mark, since he's not the owner anymore, but what about the guy who is? He's not even mentioned even though there are certainly aspects of his involvement that are critical to the story.

Yeah, sorry, I'll stop ranting now... I don't actually dislike Le Batards articles more than those of other reports in general, but this one sucked.

I guess it all depends upon what your expectations are/were for Parcells.  If you expected Parcells to deliver a Super Bowl to the Dolphins then I guess yes he did leave before doing that, but your expectations were WAY higher than what I expected of Parcells when he came here.  What I expected him to do was right the ship, not sail the ship into the dock and I think he's accomplished that much.

You have to remember what the Dolphins looked like when Parcells arrived.  1-15.  No QB. No star players.  No direction.  No future.  No hope.

Today we have Henne.  While he's certainly not a finished product, he at least looks like he might have the potential to blossom into a great QB.  Today we have Brandon Marshall and even though he might not quite look like the star just yet, as Henne gets better so will the Henne/Marshall connection.  Today we have Jake Long.  Today we have Vontae Davis who is starting to get some recognition.  Today we have a direction and hopefully a bright future.  There's plenty of hope even if it's just hope at this point and not proof of concept.  The Dolphins today are so far ahead of where they were when Parcells arrived.  They're not where we want them to be yet, but they are headed in the right direction again.

Not to forget Cameron Wake and Koa Misi...

Hate on Bill Parcells all you want to. The man goes to every organization and builds a template that the organization can build off of for years and years into the future.

NY Giants - 1980's
-Won 2 Super Bowls and left the Giants as a decent playoff team for an additional 4 more seasons after he left

New England Patriots - 1990's
-Took an abysmal franchise and took them to the Super Bowl in 1996. Just a few years later, Bill Belichick (Tuna's defensive guru) took charge and look at that franchise now

New York Jets - Late 1990's
- An absolute laughing stock of mediocrity. Takes the Jets to the AFC title game, and was up 10-0 at halftime of that game in 1999. The Jets have always been a tough nut to crack in the AFC East ever since during the later regimes of Herm Edwards, and with that solid foundation, Rex Ryan is now making them look like the best team in the NFL.

Dallas Cowboys - 2000's
- Took a franchise that fell apart after their 1990's glory years and the Dave Campo / Chan Gailey disasters and he set them up to succeed and be a force. The team has the talent cultivated and scouted by Parcells - it's not his fault fat-ass Phillips is an incompetent tool at 1-4. A new coach there would almost put the Cowboys back on top that quickly, and that's thanks to the Parcells footprint.

Miami Dolphins - late 2000's
- As someone just mentioned, the team was basically 0-16 (ok, 1-15, whatever). That's historically bad. He came in and in that same year, you guys won the AFC East and went 11-5. Now, you're 3-2 and hanging tough with a young team on both sides of the ball, and a stout WR and a developing young QB. You are set-up for the next 4-5 years to be a tough competitor in the division and in the league. It's not Bill's fault that your coach can't manage a clock, timeouts, personnel, and game strategy.

Bill Parcells sets up organizations for success in sometimes the present, but specifically in the future. It's up to the people who take over to not F it up, like Wade and Jerry have done in Dallas.

And you're basically a tool (ok, a person, whatever).

;)

Thank you for clearing that up - without that, I wasn't sure where this thread was derailing to. :)

You derailed it by once again intentionally misrepresenting Miami's record wrong in that woebegone season. You know that "every time" you do that and it isn't in the anti-fins section, I, or someone else, will slap you down for it.

I agree with Pappy.  And it was basically what I posted when the rumors started about Parcells to the Dolphins.  He is much better at taking teams from absolutely crappy to solid than he is from solid to elite. 

He did his job.  The Dolphins are not the laughing stock of the AFCE.  (The Bills are.)  Its up to Ireland and Saprano to take the team to the next level (or not).

Parcells is the most over rated man on the planet.  Period.

Patriots were a 1-15 team lost a crap load of super close games.  Pure dumb luck that they weren't 7-9 or 8-8.  They were the most talented 1-15 team in the history of the world.  They added a couple key components to that uber talented team and took off.  Big surprise.

Jets had an amazing core when he took over.  So did Dallas.

EVERY team he went to was a team that was going to turn around shortly.  He arrived long enough to take credit and left quick enough to provide an excuse as to why he hasn't won a single Super Bowl since the 1980's.

Not one.

Not with New England.
Not with the Jets.
Not with the Cowboys.
Not with the Dolphins.

Parcells wants to impress me?  Go to Oakland and fix that mess.  

Where he'll end up?  A VERY good and on the upswing Detroit.  Then everyone will talk about his genius again.

He rides coat tails.  That's what he does.

See ya, Bill.  

I noticed this yesterday as well. Is this a slip or a jab?

Seriously? They went 1-15 and endured 3 more losing seasons until they made the playoffs again. The roster was almost a new team by then. Parcells didn't add a few pieces to a talented roster.

The last time NE was 1-15 was in 1990; Parcells took over in 1993.  That 1990 team lost by an average of 16.6 points per game (in comparison, the '07 Dolphins lost by an average of 10.6 ppg).

Perhaps you meant the 2-14 team in 1992?  That team lost a total of five games by 7 points or less and two of those were by 3 points or less; again, in comparison, '07 MIA lost six games by 3 points or less.

I'll give you that NYJ had collected some talent before Parcells got there (they had the #1 pick the year before).  Dallas also had talent, but they were 5-11, not 1-15.  However...

That's a pretty tough story to sell for Dallas, given that they had finished 5-11 for the previous three years in a row.

Again, given the amount of roster he turned over in Miami, that claim looks pretty feeble.  Whose coattails was he riding?

I do think that Parcells is a bit overrated (if not for the trip to the SB with NE, he should have approximately the same value as Marty Schottenheimer, who I think is underrated), but to say that the guy just "rides coattails" is way over the top.

Man, your clarity of vision for the future is without peer, Mainer... Of course all of those teams were going to turn it around shortly. How dare anyone think otherwise?

(Translation: The quoted post contains opinion and perspective, not clarvoyance)

Slip...My spelling is horrible.  And spell checker doesn't catch errors in coach's names. 

I think Pappy pretty much said it all,we've gone from bare cub bard,to fresher groceries.The only big impact that I can really see this move hurting,is free agency.I hear guy's talk about Parcells, it seems after we sign someone, they tend to say something about Bill Parcells...But then again the whole Ryan Clark indecent last year,and the possible labor strife none of that might not matter... :-\

One really bad pick? Pat White isnt' even on the team anymore. And Sean Smith is horrible. Not to mention Merling was the last pick of Rd 1 essentially since the Pats didn't have a pick that year and he has been a total bust on every level.

The Giants won in Jan 1991 which came at the end of the 1990 season. So he actually only won once in the 80's and once in the 90's.
But hey why would anyone want to brag about a former head coach of YOUR favorite team  by correctly listing the years he won the Super Bowl.

I think he meant there has been one really bad pick (Pat White), and one miss (Patrick Turner). His lack of a comma made you think he was referring to the bad pick and the one miss being one and the same.

As Philly indicated, Pat White was the "really bad pick" and "Patrick Turner" was the miss.

As for your impressions of Merling and Smith, I disagree on both counts.

Smith has been great at times, mediocre at other times. Just what you'd expect from a second year player. Right now, he's the "victim" of Jason Allen finally playing well (when he isn't tripping over himself covering Braylon Edwards, anyway).

Merling hasn't been quite good enough, but has shown more than just flashes of potential. Injury has cut short his 2010 campaign, but that's hardly an indictment of the pick itself (nor the player, unless he proves "injury prone" -- and we're not even close to that yet).

Regardless of play right now, what we need to remember is that this group of players is in the early stages yet. They have a lot of development to do.

Wrong. Jason Allen is a victim of he is forced to play because Sean Smith stinks and Will Allen got hurt. That is the ONLY reason why Jason Allen starts. Not because he is any good, did you watch the Jets game where he was toasted all night???

Merling has been in the dog house for 2 years. He was overweight all of last season. Has been a major bust. And with his off the field issues he is another NFL head case who will NEVER live up to his potential. He won't be in Miami next year. When healthy and they can cut him they will.

If Merling didn't have the same agent as Parcells and Sparano he would have been gone last offseason. Now with Parcells gone, having the same agent as the head coach carries holds less water in personell decisions

They put Will Allen on season-ending IR when he had a 7-week injury.  They wouldn't have done that if J.Allen was a stopgap.

So I'm guessing you missed his 2 INT (plus one called back) game against MIN?

Then you and I have very different definitions of "dog house" and "bust."  Merling has played in all 32 games he was eligible to play in (amassing 45 tackles and 15 assists as a non-starter), and had a pick-6 in a division-clinching win at NYJ in 2008 (which is not exactly commonplace for a DE).

So, to clarify: you are claiming that Parcells chooses which players to keep based on whether or not they use his agent?

Merling's agent had a lot to do with us keeping him after he beat up his pregnant girlfriend. And the guy may play in games but for a 1st/2nd round pick to lose his starting job in year 2 and play minimal snaps last season, he is a bust.

Brett Farve threw the ball right at Jason Allen a few times, whoooptie damn doo, Allen caught it. Who doesn't pick off Farve these days? Marc Sanchez and Tom Brady destroyed Jason Allen and that is the Jason Allen that has been in this league for 4 years now. A crappy player who stinks. And the fact Sean Smith can't beat him out says how much Sean Smith stinks!!

Again, you're claiming that Parcells would have cut this guy (ostensibly because he sucks, as you repeatedly state), but since they have the same agent, Parcells decided to keep him.

This is not a serious theory.

He also picked off Aaron Rodgers.  I guess Rodgers is a scrub now?

1) Being "destroyed" by Tom Brady does not mean that you suck.
2) Tom Brady threw for 153 yards and one touchdown in that game.  This is "destroyed?"

You take it as established indisputable fact that J.Allen sucks, and then conclude that anyone who can't beat him also sucks.  J.Allen is leading our team in INTs; Vontae is the only player on our team to intercept a pass, and he has ONE.

And since getting burned on one big TD play means that you "got destroyed" (e.g. J.Allen vs. NYJ), surely Vontae sucks just as badly?  He got burned even worse by Jennings at GB (Allen at least had the excuse that he slipped and fell down).  Seems to me that one can make the argument that (using your logic) J.Allen is the best CB on the team, since Vontae had a worse play and has 1/3rd as many INTs.

Jason Allen has 4 years of SUCKING. Vonte doesn't.

If you can't see the difference you are just arguing for the sake of arguing right now

^^^MikeO, I can't see how you can take a 2nd year corner and call him a bust.  Likewise, I don't understand how you can completely pass on the notion that Jason Allen is finally at the same position for more than a year, with the same coaching and scheme, and how all of that may be playing a part in the fact that he's playing quite well.

its good news if he really leave dolphins

Cameron Wake is older than Jason Allen (he came out of college the year before Allen did) and already flunked out of the NFL once.  I guess that means Wake is garbage forever!

Because clearly, your level of performance right now is like, totally irrelevant to a discussion about how good you are.

To follow your same line of reasoning:

Joey Porter sucked last year.
Joey Porter started over Cameron Wake.
Therefore, Cameron Wake sucks.
Q.E.D.

Sean Smith doesn't play and has been beaten out by a guy who is terrible in Jason Allen. He is burried on the depth chart behind Jason Allen and Benny Sapp. What more proof do you need? The guy can't play.

You people defending Jason Allen are killing me. Did you watch the Jets or Pats games? Against top players he gets abused all day long.  And vs a team who had scrub WR's in Minny and an old QB who has the most INT's in league history, he looked good. Hang your hat on that! That game was the exception NOT the norm!

Wake was a star in canada. that counts for something. Jason Allen can't play. If he coudl play, then why did we draft Vonte and Sean Smith when we already had Will Allen? The coaches showed a real VOTE OF CONFIDENCE (not) in Jason Allen with that draft using a 1st and 2nd round pick on CB's. I mean why use thsoe picks on CB's when we have the great Jason Allen!! please!

Dude, because J Allen had, to that point, stunk.  He has since become a solid starter.  I'll have to find it, but I read recently that J Allen is rating in the upper half of all corners in the league this year.

Jason Allen is not a solid starter. That is where we disagree.

He is playing because he is the only option we have at that spot,. Period!

Allen was a star in college.  Does that count for more or less than the CFL?

Because he hadn't been playing very well up to that point.

You seem to be extremely hung up on everything that happened prior to this year.  This year, Jason Allen has been one of the best CBs on our team.  He is one off of the league lead in INTs.  (I am puzzled as to why you keep bringing up Favre; was Vontae somehow playing against a different QB that day?  If not, why didn't he get 2 INTs?  Discounting the quality of the opposition QB doesn't work when comparing players on the same team.)

Do you have any argument against Jason Allen other than "he sucked before so that means he must suck now"?  I mean, Drew Brees sucked out loud for his first three years in the league, but that obviously doesn't mean a damn thing today.

Who abused him in the NE game?  Brady threw for 153 yards, total.

Yes, he got torched against the Jets, but Davis got torched worse against GB and you seem to shrug it off.

So why does the game against GB not count, again?  You seem to just keep glossing over it, both for J.Allen and for Vontae.

Vonte got beat on ONE PLAY in the GB game. 1 play!!

Jason Allen was torched for 4 quarters vs MARC friggin SANCHEZ!!!!. You really can't see a difference?

And playing poorly for 4 years....YES 4 years....is not playing well up to a point?? HA HA HA!!! That's funny!! And the reason Jason Allen has more INT's is because teams are avoiding throwing to Vonte's side and are picking on the lesser quality corner! Allen has more opportunties. Man that Minnesota game really has you with a man-crush on Jason Allen. You passing a hat taking donations to raise money to build his wing in Canton?! lol The guy sucks and is ONLY playing because Will Allen is hurt and Sean Smith can't play at all!!

4 quarters, huh?  Was J.Allen secretly on Dustin Keller for the first half?

J.Allen gave up the Edwards TD (when he was in position, but slipped and fell) and made a dumb play on the 3rd down conversion to Edwards.  Vontae got straight burned by Jennings.

So if they don't throw to Vontae, it proves that Vontae is better, and if they do throw to Vontae, that ALSO proves that Vontae is better.  Got it.

J.Allen has defended more passes, made more tackles, and intercepted more balls.  If he's being thrown at more, even if he is EXACTLY as capable as Vontae, you would expect him to get burned more often, by virtue of simple math.

I honestly don't care about J.Allen.  Your entire point is that J.Allen sucks (regardless of his performance) because he's already been on the team for 4 years, and you use that "fact" to conclude that necessarily anyone who is behind him on the depth chart (read: Smith) also sucks.

J.Allen is playing well this year; light-years better than he's ever played as a Dolphin.  There is only one other CB spot available.  That does not mean that whichever one of Davis and Smith that doesn't start is a bust.

P.S. I notice that you still have nothing to say about J.Allen's game in GB.

Dude, I'm sorry to tell ya, but I definitely agree with Spider on this one.....and I wouldn't even go so far as to say Jason Allen sucked for four seasons prior to this one.  Yeah, he wasn't so good his rookie season when he actually got the chance to play (coming off a bad injury his last season at Tennessee so whether we should've even drafted him or not goes to Saban's regime and you can't, or at least shouldn't, put that on J. Allen), but his 2nd season, the Cam Cameron misery year of 2007, I thought he was one of the few players on the entire team that did much that season once he started starting midway through the season.  Then, the next two seasons ('08 and '09), he didn't get to play that much, and perhaps it was because he was sucking, but it might have also had something to do with a) Will Allen isn't too shabby of a cover corner and in '08 Andre Goodman was playing well, and we all know that we drafted both Vontae and Sean Smith to hopefully start the next season in '09, and b) the guy was still being shuffled around between CB and S even through the past couple of seasons.  The only disappointment I'd say I had in relation to that was that he wasn't starting in place of Gibril by halfway through the season, once we saw how miserable that guy's play was and that he was a FA bust.  Otherwise, hey--maybe he hadn't justified his 1st round status to that point, but at least he was contributing, particularly on special teams, the past couple of seasons.

That's just leading up to this season, though (where, again, I'll give you that he was rarely good and usually just serviceable at times, but didn't think he was terrible).  However, in regards to this season, I don't see how you can just sit there and say that the guy is garbage (and let alone that that also means that Sean Smith is garbage as a result, which has been pointed out in multiple examples already in this thread).  Yeah, he had one bad game against the Jets (and, as Spider pointed out, even most of those slip-ups, he was in position to make the play.  He had a couple of plays there at the end where he just fouled up and, yes, made a bad play--wow, when does that ever happen to even good CB's in this league?   ::) ).  Brady didn't do jack against us in the game against the Pats, they just dinked-and-dunked us on a couple of those drives in the 2nd half where they were playing ball control anyways--you can thank our ST for that one, of course, but unless all 153 passing yards were on Jason Allen (which of course they weren't), then sorry, no way you should say type with a straight face that Brady destroyed him.  So, that leaves the Buffalo, Minnesota, and GB games, where he has done fine in all of them besides I think dropping a pick that should've been there against the Bills.  Whether old man Favre slings INT's around or not, Allen made the plays that were there to be made.  I watched the entire GB game and thought he played well, you seem to just be ignoring that.  He has had a good season for us so far--not great, but definitely good, and doesn't deserve the way you're bashing him as if he's sucked.  I just hope he keeps the good play up and even steps it up a notch.

MikeO, I'm not some big Jason Allen fan, either.  Of course I want to see the guy do well because--well, I want to see all our players do well, period, but especially ones we invested first round picks in, but I have no particular love for him.  Still, if you keep up this irrational talk about his play so far this season, I'm gonna start thinking of you like a fella that used to hang around here that went by the name of Tepop, and the way he acted about Chad Henne....and, believe me, that's a miserable comparison to have.   :D

Jason Allen isn't any good. He had one good game vs Minesota. Ok. IN 4 years that might be his ONLY good game as a member of this team.

I'm not rooting agaisnt the guy but he isn't any good. Let's be realistic enough to face facts and NOT ignore the obvious. The guy can't play.

MikeO, are you even going to acknowledge the game against GB?  You seem pretty intent on completely ignoring it.

You wanna go game by game through his career?? I will gladly do that.

The GB game was nothing special. He wasn't awful and he wasn't great.  What about the GB game?

Are you completely incapable of realizing that when it comes to the question of how well J.Allen is playing NOW, because the very last game he played is slightly more relevant than the 3rd game in 2007?

Once again: your entire argument comes down to, "he sucked before, therefore he must suck now."  Under Mike Nolan (read: this year), there is a strong argument to be made that he has been the best CB on the team.

Does this erase 2006-2009?  No.  But you shouldn't hold those against him any more than you should hold 2001-2003 against Drew Brees.  How bad he was playing then does not cancel out how well he is playing now.

He didn't allow any big plays and he pulled down an INT.  If that is "nothing special" then Vontae has not had any good games this season at all.

2006-2009 count.

As does the ONLY reason he is playing this year is because Will Allen got hurt and Sean Smith turned into a bust and lost his starting job. Allen was 3rd on the depth chart and was forced into action. Yes he has a few INT's, that doesn't make him good. Sorry it doesn't!!

But believe what you want, live inside your bubble

What relevance do they have to this year?

You constantly refer to past years as if it says something about now, yet you have no problem hand-waving away Cameron Wake and Drew Brees.  Please TRY to have some consistency.

We are going nowhere with this deabte. The main difference is YOU think Jason Allen is playing good this year. Because he has 3 INT's. Thats where I disagree. YES he has 3 INT's but he has still played terrible like always. A couple INT's doesn't change that. He has been burned a ton and opposing teams pick on him all day.

I hope he proves me wrong. But we will just agree to disagree on this issue because we are going nowhere but in circles.

actually it is, that was Bill's choice too  ;D

I think the argument should end, too, because like you're saying, nothing y'all've said seems to change the other's mind, but despite that, I'm still with Spider on this one (and plus the fact I don't think he's been ass-terrible his entire career, either, because he hasn't even been on the field that much to make that assessment.  You'd probably say that's just "because he sucks", I know, but I'd say it's at least partly because we've had some decent guys at corner these previous few seasons...definitely would've liked to have seen him in place of Gibril by about Week 5 or 6 last season, though). 

To say he's just been "burned a ton" this season is wrong, though, I'm sorry.  I've watched every game this season besides the Week 1 game against Buffalo, which I don't recall people complaining or commenting that his play was poor that game.  After that, he played well at Minnesota, played poorly the 2nd half against the Jets, sure (even though I think he was in position to make the play most of the time and either slipped or made poor decisions), held his own against the Patsies, and then played fine or even well again against the Packers.  So, don't see where you're getting the "burned a ton" assessment from, man.

the fact he wasn't on the field till year 4 is proof he was terrible. And more proof it needed 1 guy to get hurt and another guy to be a bust and lose his job for him to even sniff the field.  He had pass interference calls against him vs the Jets, he got beat more than just once in that game. He has been beaten all season but nobody wants to remember those plays. Only the couple INT's he has.


Whatever, believe what ya all want

Once again, the past has nothing to do with this year.

You have no evidence whatsoever that the starting CB combo would have been Will Allen and Vontae Davis (if Will didn't get hurt).  It could have been both Allens, or have been J.Allen and Vontae, as it is now.  You just say it baselessly as if it's fact.

Everyone agrees that he had a bad game against the Jets, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

It's hard to remember things that never happened, especially since you steadfastly refuse to cite any actual evidence at all outside of "MARC FREAKING SANCHEZ".

BUF didn't generate any offense at all (except on one drive that someone else blew the coverage on) so Jason clearly wasn't beaten then.
MIN obviously doesn't help you.
We all agree NYJ was bad.
Brady did nothing in the NE game, so it's hard to argue that Jason was torched there.
Jason was our best CB against GB.

Where are your examples?  Support your claims.

Jason Allen looking great vs Mike Wallace!!

Allen gives up a 65 yard TD!


Keep singing his praises though......Allen sucks

3rd and long and Jason Allen beat my the mighty Emmanual Sanders (WHO???) Exactly!!

Another terrible day for Jason Allen

Ronnie Brown doing nothing this game!  And Henne throws a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 14.

I don't know why you guys continue to defend that bum.  Pennington would have scored 3 TDs.

nobody is defending him.

Let's stay on topic though.......JASON ALLEN

Which isn't really the topic either (hint: Thread Title). Can I just say at this point, that I'm sorry that I brought up Jason Allen at all?

Good point. Parcells has left the building and this thread is locked.