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Thought about it, for a short while, and I think the Fins should take a shot at Moss.  Yes he's a prima donna, but put him opposite Marshall (as opposed to Hartline), along with Bess, and it's a whole new season for the Dolphins.  Obviously he won't last with the Dolphins for more than a year, maybe two at most.  But what's the downside at this point in the season???  I wouldn't have wanted to pick him up in the offseason, but hey he might want to prove something before the year is out; and worst xase scenario we waive him after a couple games if he is too disruptive.

just what we need - 2 diva receiva's

hmm...

I admit having him go to NE again in December is enticing...

We want to get Moss so we can not throw down field to him like we don't throw down field to Marshall?

And play him where?  I'll take Marshall, Bess and Hartline over Moss any day of the week and twice on Sundays.  That Hartline end a round was a thing of beauty.  That guy can move pretty well for a white boy.  He just needs more time and coaching.  Moss is over the hill.

No thank you.

Ladanian Tomlinson was supposed to be old and over the hill too. And now he's playing for a team in our division and doing really well. What's the risk in picking Moss up and giving him a shot down here opposite of Marshall? We can win 7-9 games this season with hartline/bess or we can take a chance on Moss and maybe it sparks the offense. Worst case scenario is it doesn't and we still miss the playoffs. No big deal.

Did you happen to see the Vikings/New England game this weekend?  I'll skip the love in if you don't mind.  Randy's head isn't in it this year for whatever reason and when his head isn't it, his heart isn't either.  If he's looking for a job in the off-season I can see taking a flyer on him them, but not now. 

The Henne/Marshall/Bess/Hartline combo is just starting to come together.  Give it the rest of this year to convince you, I'm already convinced this group will eventually be one of the best in football.

We don't need him poisoning the minds of our young guys.

According to a Vikings beat reporter Judd Zulgad,

And that's where we disagree. I think its a nice group of recievers but it would be better to have a guy opposite of Marshall that can stretch the defense some. I don't think Hartline is that guy.

I am just going to say right now that I don't want him on the team, but if he ends up here anyway, I will support him as I do any other player unless he gives me reason not to.

If the Dolphin's sign him and gives a PC after the Mia game in Foxboro, like he gave last night you will have a reason not to. 

Seriously a team that grabs him off the waiver wire is playing with fire.  If he clears waiver wires and then agrees to play for the team, different story.  But if Randy is told where he is playing and doesn't like the choice, you have not improved the team. 

^ Here is one time that I absolutely agree with you.

Yes, yes I did. What I didn't see was Moss single-covered even once.

And I don't think that Moss is that guy anymore.  He rarely stretches defenses anymore.  Oh he can catch a long TD pass from time to time, but it's usually because he uses his body to shield the defender or goes up and gets it or makes an acrobatic 1 handed catch, but not because he simply blows by a defender.  He doesn't stretch the field vertically, he simply is very good at catching the ball in 1 on 1 coverage down the field.  He might stretch the field horizontally, making it difficult to double both him and Marshall, leaving Bess in one on one coverage, but he has maybe a year or 2 left in him at most.  Give Hartline a little more time to learn how to use his body and his hands to shield a defender in one on one coverage and I think you'll see defenses having a hard time deciding who to double.  He already does a fairly good job getting open underneath, he just needs a little more work on the deep stuff.  He has the speed, the route running and the hands, he just needs a bit more polish and veteran savvy.

so, let's see, the dolphins have like 100 field goals in the past few games when they get in the red zone, and folks don't think moss could help out?

bess is great, and hartline is ok, but come on guys, with moss and marshall inside the red zone the fins are scoring touchdowns. im glad we have a pro bowl kicker but i would like to see much less of him for the rest of the season.

You didn't see him catch any passes either.  Marshall and Bess were double covered most of the game and they both made catches.

To the people who think Moss would be a deep threat:  The Dolphins never throw deep so how would he help?

First off several of those FG's were NOT when Miami got into the red zone.  You have to get there first.

Secondly one of Henne's biggest problems is throwing the touch pass.  Why do you think it is that we don't simply throw the ball up to Marshall everytime we get in the red zone now?  The reason is because Henne isn't very good at it.  Have you seen some of those jump balls that he throws?  Usually doesn't even come close to being caught and more often than not the defender has about as good of shot at it as Marshall.  Just putting Randy Moss out there isn't gonna change that.  If Penny becomes the QB then you might be onto something.

He caught one. 

Sorry, my bad.  8 yards was it?

1) Moss is old and slow

2) He is a headache, cancer, and a rotten person. Don't need him anywhere NEAR the Dolphins.

I seem to recall a guy named Dan Marino, who at the start of his career they complained that he threw the ball too hard on short passes, and had no touch.  Somehow he figured it out.  Before you start typing, I KNOW HE'S NO DAN MARINO.

Hey, I'm not knocking Henne, I love the guy.  But he's simply not very good at the touch pass yet.  He's getting better.  I've seen him take a little bit off his fastball every now and then, but there's also a difference between taking a little bit off your fastball and throwing the fade.  The fade is not nearly as easy as everyone thinks.  It's all about timing and arc and knowing your receiver and all of that.  It's a tough throw for a lot of QB's.  Most people think you just simply get a guy like Marshall and throw it up and he comes down with it everytime, well it's not like that.  If it was Marshall would have 2 or 3 more TD's this year.

You're not getting the guy for 3 years.  Is Henne going to develop that pass in the next 9 weeks? 

hello guys.....moot point here.

it's impossible for us to get moss - we are 18th in waivers

Mort was just on ESPN. Thinks the first 10-12 teams won't touch Moss cause there is no reason too.

Says he would be shocked if Moss fell past St.Louis

Also, little fact to remember. Minny "technically" has cut him yet. The players on the team have been told he is gone. But the paperwork hasn't be filed yet, so Minny could do a 180 here and not let him go.

Don't be so sure.  He comes with a pretty heafty price tag ($) and you only get him for the rest of the year.  I can't see why a team that only has 1 or 2 wins on the season would sign him.  

Cincinnati should get him!

Ocho, Owens, Moss on the same team!  Best comedy ever.

I could go either way.

Something else to think about with Moss is that most likely he would take the place of Roberto Wallace on the active game roster.  Wallace has been progressing nicely.  He made a mistake on going out of bounds early in the last game, but he made up for it with a nice down field block that helped Hartline get a 30 yard run to setup the TD.  Would Randy Moss have made that same block?  It's not just about what Moss adds to the team, but also what gets taken away. 

Then there's always the money side of things to take into consideration.  Miami has taken a bath in a couple of high dollar free agent signings lately.  They can't really afford to spend a couple million on Randy and have him be a bust. 

Finally there's Marshall to consider.  He s supposed to be our explosive receiver and up to now has been doing and saying all the right things despite not getting as many balls thrown his way as usual.  How will he react to bringing in another veteran WR?  He might take that as a slap in the face.

My gut says that Sparano likes the team the way it is right now and won't risk bringing in a guy like Randy Moss which could upset the apple cart.

Doesn't matter.  It's a ploy.  Randy will view the LB coming in to chuck him, along with CB to cover and will shut it down for that play.  NE specifically decoyed Moss into giving up on routes, which he does a lot. 

Additionally, Moss was not double teamed on the play in the end zone where pass interference was called.  He could have caught that ball, however gave up on it because of the flag.  A TD there greatly chances the tone of that game.  Instead NE went on to stuff the Vikings on a great goal line stand.

I want no part of this clown in Miami.  None.

Yeah, I would take him.  Has everyone forgotten how he single-handedly demolished Miami for 3 years?  Or how all the attention paid to him opened up so much single coverage for Wes Welker?  If Marshall commands a double, and Moss commands a double, who's going to cover Bess again?  The guy could average 8 catches a game, like Welker has the past few years!  Notice how Welker's numbers have dipped since Moss left (4 and 3 catches the last two weeks, respectively, when last year he averaged 7.68)?

I'd take him IF Brandon Marshall is OK with it.  I'm guessing he'd like to have someone else command the double team once in a while so he can (occasionally) play one on one.

I'd take him in a heartbeat if, as JVides points out, that Brandon Marshall is ok with it. Even if Moss gives up, teams are still going to double cover him. We would just need him on the field.

Teams are not going to double cover him because the Dolphins don't throw down the field, and Henne is not Brady.  He is not the last piece of the puzzle that some are making him out to be.

On the few plays I've seen again (and those I noticed on TV), he was actually double-covered, in that the two guys did nothing else to contribute to the play.


Hardly a coincidence that the one play Moss wasn't double-covered, he gets a PI.

^^^Randy Moss caught passes from many quarterbacks not named Tom Brady, especially during his years with Minnesota, when they employed the rent-a-washed-up-quarterback strategy.  Look, this is all conjecture, as he's not falling - what 18 spots? - to Miami.  If by miracle he did, though, he should be picked up, if only to keep him away from a rival that's up two games in the AFC East race.

Randy Moss gets double covered at all stages.  First it's LB-CB, then CB-S.  It's not just the deep stuff they try to take away.

Wouldn't it be hell if the Pats got to flip this guy for a 3rd rounder and then got him back?  If he came back to kill us, we'd all go batsh*t crazy over how this could have been avoided with a waiver claim.  

^ Patriots are last in waiver order.  Not gonna happen.

Name one time when Randy Moss gave a 100% to a team with a losing record.

I don't know about that.  Moss left after week 3 and Welker's numbers actually increased in week 4 and 6 (they had a bye week in between).  His numbers falling off in week 7 was largely just a factor of them not throwing for a lot of yards, they only had 159 total passing yards that week.  I don't think you can attribute Welkers number difference from this year to last totally on Moss not being in the lineup.  Probably has more to do with Branch and the emergence of rookie Aaron Hernandez being in the lineup.

Not to mention a torn ACL. 

There are articles out ,with an interview Marshall said this morning He's ok, with Brining in Moss...
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2010/11/miami-dolphins-brandon-marshall-wants-to-play-with-randy-moss.html (http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2010/11/miami-dolphins-brandon-marshall-wants-to-play-with-randy-moss.html)

I'm on the fence,I understand what he brings to the table good and bad,and our offense (or more specifically our Horrid offensive play calling)...and think, not for 8 games....If he was a burner that could possibly return kicks,it would put me more in the yes category

Going from Ted Ginn and Davone Bess to Randy Moss and Brandon Marshall.

wow...

But how does the cafeteria staff feel about it?  According a few mediots Randy Moss was the first NFL player to cut from a team for insulting the lunch lady. 

No, Moss was cut for being the same disrespectful, selfish, loudmouth dickhead he's always been.   ;)

"I'll play when I wanna play"....what is he 2 years old?

Randy Moss is washed up.

he can't play anymore. The numbers don't lie

Knowing Randy Moss, he would probably tell teams "don't bother selecting me, I won't play for you" if they wanted to put in a waiver claim. If they were stubborn, Randy would give 10% while collecting 100% of his salary.

This reason alone is why I think Miami has a shot. In all honesty, I am not sold on this team being a contender NOR am I sold on it being an 8-8 nobody. We DEFEATED the Steelers. Our record should be 5-2, just like the Jets and Ravens. Yes, we have problems but we are a young squad. If we get Randy Moss and he actually tries, this is a very good team.

Of course, that is a lot of ifs and Randy can very likely suck ass for the Titans from here on out.

^^^ what makes you think Miami wouldn't be on the list of teams he would not say, "don't bother selecting me, I won't play for you"??

Not convinced he'd be good for the development of our young players...

And he also doesn't do anything about our secondary, which is pretty horrible.

In an uncapped season, even if he does say that, just keep him inactive or suspend him for "conduct detrimental to the team" just so the rivals can't have him.

There is this thing called the player's union.  You can't just suspend people for made up things.

He is Randy Moss.  If he doesn't want to be in Miami, then he will do something that warrants suspending him. 

At the least, the team had to put a waiver claim in to make sure he didn't end up with the Jets or Pats.  No matter what kind of malcontent he may be, the dude is a great wideout.  He's faster than most corners, taller than any of them, to boot.  The Dolphins can't let him fall into the laps of a team that's better than they are.  For that reason alone, they should pick him up.  Throw in the bonus fact that despite only "decent" numbers this year, the guy is still a great wide out, and sure to be in full "I'll show you" mode, and you might have something great with him and Brandon Marshall.

...and he would get to go back to NE again at the end of the season.

If he believes that the only reason the Dolphins signed him was to block him from going to NE and he wanted to go to NE and NE puts in a claim for him, you won't like his "I'll show you" mode. 

So what happens then?  He sits.  And he doesn't play against the Dolphins.  And doesn't cause Clemon and Bell to have nightmares Saturday night before the game.  Besides, he's a free-agent next year.  He needs to play nice wherever he ends up.  He has enough baggage already.  Pissing off 3 teams in one year seems like a lot, even for him, to overcome.  I think he'll be out to prove he's still elite.  How better to do so on a team with already one great-to-elite WR to worry about?  I don't mean just Miami, either.  Moss-Andre Johnson?  Moss-Reggie Wayne?  Moss-Roddy White?  Moss-(eventually) Vincent Jackson?  He'll see more single coverage than he's ever seen due to the other guy, and he'll be out to prove something.

I just hope it's here in Miami...

Titans claimed Moss.

Well...those of you who wanted Moss...close his next game will be in Miami, just not for the Dolphins. 

Whew.  I was starting to get worried when I heard the Dolphins put in a bid on Merriman.

I really did not think Moss would make it past the Rams and the fact that he did and is not now a part of the Dolphins is kind of upsetting. Yeah he is an ass but he is a great player who could have helped this offense that does nothing but kick FG's.

Just my 2 cents!!!!

Titans are a good place for Moss though.  They are in the playoff hunt, with Britt out Moss will be a target in their passing game and if anyone can control Randy Moss, it's Jeff Fisher.  Nice pick up for the Titans really.

According to Adam S.  Titans were the ONLY team to put in a claim.  So a lot of teams thought he wasn't worth the headache. 

More like he wasn't worth the 3.5 million for 1/2 a season's worth of work.  Bet if he would have passed waivers more teams would have been interested...at a lower price.

He is washed up. Can't play anymore. Look at the numbers, they don't lie

^^^ we shall see, u could be right...

he could also be the missing key to the titans offense, open things up for them, score a number of touchdowns, and help them beat out the dolphins for a wildcard spot.

Titans are one of the better choices for Randy.  They have a respected coach (absolute necessity to mange Randy), decent QB (granted not great but not horrible either), a winning record (Randy isn't gonna give his all for the difference between a 4-12 season and an 8-8 one) and he is the one missing piece to the offense.   

Now they just need to make sure they step up the post practice lunch buffet. 

u could say the same exact thing for the dolphins as well (although the titans have a better running game). it will definitely be interesting to see this play out the rest of the season, given the dolphins and titans are similar teams, fighting for a wildcard, and play each other in 2 weeks.

No you couldn't.

I would not put Sapano in the same class as Fisher.  Not even close.  Comparing the two is laughable.

Titans are a half game back in the AFCS and with two games against the Colts still left to play control their own destiny for the division.  The Dolphins are 2 games plus the tie breakers out of first place in the AFCE and are looking pretty much looking at a best case of a wildcard.

QB ain't close either.  VY has the league highest passer rating this season.  While an apparition vs the rest of his career, he is having a great year.  Henne has never had a great year and is tied at #21. 

You can't compare Sparano to Fisher. Jeff Fisher has been on the same team for 17 years, is on the competition committee, acts like a professional all the time and has a history of winning in this league.

Sparano jumps around like a kid on a sugar high when his team kicks a FG! nuff said!

That is your opinion. I do not believe that to be the case....although I am not sure the Titans have the passing game to prove anything different than what we have see so far this season.

Numbers don't lie, in New England with a hall of fame QB he was doing nothing. Went to Minny and did nothing. The guy has lost a step or two. He isn't the same player. OLD AND WASHED UP! The numbers back that up

Why would you want to compromise your entire locker room for a guy that's not playing well?  He's pissed off two separate teams in the span of a month.  He's not playing well, either.

I just don't see what you gain by paying a guy like that 4 million for 8 games.  It's not like he's going to help you win the Super Bowl this year, he'll most likely cause problems (especially because he loves the Pats so much, and since they're in our division, the media is going to hound him about it).

There's a lot to the development of a QB.  The last thing you want to do is bring in a problem, mid-season, who's already been essentially kicked off of two other teams, and still loves your rival.

ONLY reason Tenn put in a claim is because Britt is gone for 6+ weeks, probably out for the season. They needed to replace him. And they think they are a playoff team. So, made some sense for them I guess. But the guy is washed up, can't play anymore.....he will have no big impact for them

Again you have your OPINION and I have mine!!!! Just because you think something does not make it fact. I don't give a frosty fuck what the numbers say. There are alot of variables involved!!!!!

They said the same thing when he went to NE from Oakland.

Guys .... this post will be locked if you can't keep it civil. Address the topic and not each other!!

Only one person is CURSING and SWEARING and attacking other posters.

Deal with that person. Don't lock the thread for the rest of us