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The honeymoon is over for him. Having to actually root for this clown becomes tougher and tougher each week.

Hopefully our new GM and coach next year can either control him (something Sparano can't) or we move him in the offseason for a 2nd and 3rd round pick. Getting TWO 2nd round picks will be impossible with this attitude seeming to not change from Denver and the big contract we gave him. So if we can get a 2nd and a 3rd or a 2nd and a 4th for him I would jump on it.

The drops, the taunting penalties each week, the odd clapping after he makes a BAD play...you can't have this guy on a team and expect to actually win or go anywhere. He is a total clown. I don't see his time in Miami lasting long.

Brandon is the new T.O., he will run himself out of teams in this league within a couple years. Getting bounced from every city and burning many franchises.

I'm done with Marshall. 

He needs to get his head in the game, or he needs to be placed on waivers.  Maybe someone should show him the tape on the Randy Moss story.  I knew it would be odd having a "diva recieva" on the team, but really, this dude is bad news.

Randy was in the last year of his contract.  Brandon still has a boat load of guaretteed money

^^ yeah maybe so, but he's not helping the team and in many cases he's actually hurting the team.

He needs to mature as a person and as a player for sure.  This "you don't throw me the ball so I'm going to sulk all the time" routine is already very exhausting.  You'd think that he would look at himself, specifically his drop numbers, and think about it...

I'm not ready to give up the guy, but he's got a serious case of adjusting to do.  Let's see how he reacts.

NO he doesn't. Miami worked his deal so that they can cut ties with him after 1 year and NOT take a cap hit (assuming the cap comes back)

Miami was actually smart on this and protected themselves against this very situation. If Marshall acted up. So I applaud Ireland for that. I mean you are still out the draft pick so you are screwed there but they can cut ties with him or trade him and not take a cap hit. Now, if they keep Marshall past 1 year and into year 2, then he becomes almost impossible to move.

So after this year WHOEVER is in charge of the Dolphins has to make the decision whether they want to put up with this clown for years. Or send his ass elsewhere and be someone elses problem

Marshall has no incentive to work hard.  He hates it here cause he feels like he should get the ball 20 times per game.

Given the current state of the season, I think the Fins should throw the ball at him 20x per game and see what happens.  They should also have Ricky running the ball 15x per game.

I agree. Just let the offense play non-conservative. Just let it fly.

He should.  He's one of the best receivers in the game.  It's like having Marshall Faulk back in the day and running him six times a game.  What's the point of having it if you aren't going to use it?

That said - every great WR is a freakin' Diva.  Every last one of them.  Marshall is doing what every good WR does.  He is being a little bitch.

That said, I agree with Mike.  He's on thin ice.

I thought everyone's reactions to the last game were a bit overblown (including the taunting penalty given by the ref). Marshall did toss the ball to Cutler, but it was fun and games. I didn't think anything of it and had a laugh, until I realized it was a penalty. As for him getting up and clapping after the missed ball, I thought that he thought he had drawn a penalty. If I remember correctly didn't he get up giving the traditional penalty flag motion before he clapped?

If I look back at previous posts from most of you guys I bet you ecstatic when Marshall first came ti Miami. What else did you expect once he got here?

I expected him to play hard, not drop balls, and get open.  I didn't expect him to whine and be a bitch when stuff goes wrong and drop 1-2 balls a game.

My take on Marshall is that he is like 90% of really good / great receivers in that he whines and bitches when the team is sucking. He'll flourish when/if the team starts playing well.

And I do believe "whining" is a bit of an exaggeration. He's frustrated, clearly, but I remember him saying a few games ago that the problem wasn't that he wasn't getting the ball -- he was getting the ball plenty -- but that he wasn't getting yards and touchdowns. The way he said it, it didn't seem like a slam on the team or even coaches (although he was vented a bit in that direction), he seemed to clearly admit that PART of it was him. That's more than can be said of some diva receivers.

Just to underscore how comparatively reasonable Marshall is, here's a quote from Larry Fitzgerald (from Peter King's MMQB (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/11/21/monday-morning-qb-week-11/3.html)):

"I've tasted the caviar now, so eating out of the garbage is not where I want to be.''

So because Fitzgerald might be a scumbag also that makes Marshall's actions forgivable? lol, your kidding right?!

Fitzgerald is far from being a scumbag.  And what the hell is wrong with someone wanting to be on a winning squad?

Fitzgerald beat his wife/girlfriend to a bloody mess a year or so back. If he isn't a scumbag please tell me what a scumbag is?

From Wikipedia -

In December 2008, Angela Nazario, a former Oakland Raiders cheerleader and the mother of Fitzgerald's child, filed for and won an order of protection against Fitzgerald, alleging that he had shoved her during a domestic disturbance. No charges were filed.[18] Fitzgerald's father claimed that Nazario made the accusations in an attempt "to get a lot of money," and his lawyers have said that they cannot discuss the case because a judge had it sealed.[17]

Bloody mess indeed. 

wikipedia is a reliable source now?

Please, go GOOGLE the incident and get the real story

Wait, Google is a "reliable source" now?

What a lazy response.  Instead of looking at the sourced Wikipedia article and seeing that the cited references were those fly-by-night upstarts known as USA Today and the New York Times, you tell him to go google the claims that you made.

Tell you what: why don't YOU provide the source for your claim that she was a "bloody mess"?  Since you're the one actually making the claim, and all.

Google will bring you to a link of a reputable website. I know she was a bloody mess. I know the real story. I remembner it from a few years back.  If you want to read up on it go GOOGLE it yourself. I'm not your slave! I'm not getting paid to do research for you.

Wikipedia also has people DEAD who are still alive and vice-versa. If you want to make the case that they are "legit" go for it. That is as silly as your Jason Allen is having a good year stance! lol lol

MikeO, could you provide a source?

I've actually tried to find one and everything goes back to the original TMZ article of the restraining order filed for by the mother of his child. No "bloody mess" mentioned in it, by the way. No photos of bruises, cuts or "bloody mess". No witnesses to a "bloody mess". Only claims of shoving and hair-pulling. And even those were never substantiated, as far as I could tell.

Thank you Roger Clemens, I love to use this word now. Is it possible you misremember MikeO? The news stories are much tamer than the version you paint (I did go looking for it because I didn't remember it happening).

How dare you ask MikeO to back up his statement. What are you, an idiot? He's not your slave, nor is he accountable to you...or the truth, for that matter. As long as he says it with conviction, well, that should be good enough for everyone else.

::)

And again, because one just doesn't cut it... ::)

Seems that deep threat WR are attracts a-holes, Marshall, Fitzgerald, Moss, Edwards, TO.  So comparatively for the position....he ain't as bad as some others.

Google will also bring you to Wikipedia, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Wikipedia already provided links to USA Today and NY Times, neither of which mentioned anything of the sort.  But I suppose if you can find a link to some random blog that says that she was a "bloody mess," well, that's MUCH more reliable than Wikipedia, right?

You're apparently also not being paid to do research for yourself before you start making up stories.  There is no source at all that mentions anything about a bloody altercation between the two.  In fact, not that you care anything about the facts, but all reports that I've read indicate that she started the alleged incident by punching him in the face (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/12/31/larry-fitzgeralds-ladyfriend-is-accusing-him-of-being-a-rather/) (and she's the one who said that).

(Not to sidetrack,  but we've had discussions about domestic violence before, and I'll reiterate my previous position: if I punched a much bigger, stronger person than me in the face, I'd expect a beating, and I don't think it should be any different for anyone else, man or woman.  If you don't like violence, don't punch people.)

He did not beat her to a bloody mess where do you get this shit from? He pulled her hair and tossed her across the room. It was in the news here in AZ where I live everyday while this was happening. Not sure what your source is on the bloody mess part but it is completely and totally wrong. I know this may come as as shock to you as you are never and I mean never wrong but I just happen to follow the Cards pretty closely as I am a 10 year season ticket holder and I do get daily updates on the team and the players.

Fuck this.  Time to go throw some Landsharks on ice and go chill on my boat for a little while. 

I was going to go find a link and prove it to ya, but after seeing what some of you wrote, screw it. I know the story. I know what I read. You want to know the details go find out yourself!

I did and I couldn't find mention of you claims anywhere.

Interpretation:  I couldn't find an article to support claims I pulled out of my ass.  So when others call BS so I will just take my ball and go home because I will never admit I was wrong.

^^ Pretty much.

MikeO, you have far too much case history to expect people to believe that you are Just Too Principled to retort when your Honor has been Questioned.

You got caught making stuff up and you're trying to CYA.

QFT!!!!!

Even when the whole world says the sky is blue Mike will still not admit he is wrong and will preach to the masses that it is in fact green!!!!!


For the record I too did a search for shits and giggles, even though I knew the outcome, and I could not find anything saying he beat her into a bloody mess nor anything that said anything other than he pulled her hair and tossed her around the room.

caught making stuff up. Yeah ok, whatever. Fitgerald didn't beat up his girl. OK, believe what ya want.

I just come here to talk football. Once these threads resort into just a namecalling fest, I really don't feel the need to sink to that level. And if your gonna call me every name in the book then expect me to spend even 2 seconds of my time to "prove" anything your nuts. Im right, I know Im right. If some of you want to live in a fantasy land where you pretned things didn't happen or ignore the obvious, who am I to stop ya

^ Point proved.  The kettle is on the phone.

he pulled her hair, tossed her around the room and she wound up a bloody mess. Sorry if you didn't find the articles that went more in depth with the details. But she was bloody after he beat her up!

My god you people must have no life if your caught up on the word "BLOODY".  It's like you guys are excusing him for beating his girl, because at least he didn't "bloody" her up. lol lol. Unreal the logic some of you have

That's right.  There is something wrong with everyone but you.  ::) ::) ::)

LOL @ Mike.  Dude, chill out.  You claimed he beat her ass to a "bloody mess" and all I can find is an allegation that he pushed her and no charges were even filed. 

Don't get mad because people want to know where you base your claim from.  You act as if he was kicking her ass while you were on the couch in the same room sipping on egg nog watching it all.  Then you get upset because no one just takes your word.

It is very funny that good ol Mike O compares Mashall ( with mulitple arrests for doemstic violence and false imprisonment) to Fitzgerald.
Here is a great study and if you jump to page 29 they go into depth about Marshall's problems with the law

harvardjsel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/JSEL-Withers.pdf I know it is only from Harvard.

Now most of the stories out there seem to be blogs, and the stroy changes from report to report. For instance in this link it says she was holding their son
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/04/larry_fitzgerald_jordin_sparks.php

Yet in this one it says Larry was holding the boy.
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/01/larry_fitzgeralds_alleged_dome.php

The crazyiest thing is that according to the victim she hit her head on the floor and only discovered she was missing some hair after she got in the car, yet she never filed charges or took pictures of the missing hair.

In case you miss it by looking at the links I have provided, she willingly violated the restraining order to accompany Larry to a fundraiser in Minnesota 4 months after she got a restraining order against him.

Yet no where does it mention a "bloddy mess" even at TMZ.
http://www.tmz.com/2008/12/31/nfl-superstar-accused-of-baby-mama-beatdown

So now Mike O, it is all on you to man up and say you are wrong, provide a credible link to your bloody mess story, or become the reigning moron in the corner wearing the special cap.

Story rapidly evolving!

First, she is a "bloody mess" (which requires, you know, blood).  But once MikeO realizes that he's caught red-handed on that lie, suddenly, we are all losers for actually believing that he meant what he said!

MikeO, at this point, you have two practical options:

1) Man up and admit that you invented (excuse me, "misremembered") the whole "bloody mess" angle
2) Simply stop posting to this thread and/or pretend that it never happened

The longer you keep defending your clearly false statement, the worse you look.

tell me to chill? Everyone else is upset over the word "bloody". I don't need to chill becasue I am not upset.  ::)

P.S.....he was kicking her ass. My god, you guys spin every debate you can't win

well ON the jason allen debate I was the lone voice saying he stunk. Everyone said I was nuts. A couple weeks later he as cut.

So yeah when it comes to THIS site and THIS group. Something can easily be wrong with everyone else since the football IQ aroudn here sometimes is very very low and this group can't see the obvious with things. Like this debate is so stupid. Fitzgerald beat his girl to a bloody mess. You people aren't debating the beating, just the word "bloody"......lol. Like I said, for you guys to get so worked up over the word "bloody" is really missing the big picture and not seeing the forest from the trees!!

BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC.... ::)


It will be interesting to see who takes over for Irleand/Sparano this offseason and IF they will want to play the Brandon Marshall drama game. Because Brandon's contract is set up where they can cut him loose after 1 year and not take any cap hit (assuming the cap returns) If its Carl Petterson who takes over I could see Marshall gone ASAP. If its another hard-line guy or a young, first-time head coach he might remove Brandon as to not have that hanging over his head (ie what Josh McDaniel did).

Obviously if you bring in a Gruden or Cowher they have the ability to handle a Marshall and would probably keep him around

No you refuse to see anytime you are wrong. She never pressed charges, and there is no evidence period to back up your claims. 4 months after crying to the court for a restraining order, she is back with him.
You made a ludicrious claim and got caught on it. So now you are question the "football I.Q." of people on this board, well I am questioning your overall intelligence as there is not one shred of proof to back up your claim that Fitzgerald is a shitbag who beat his baby's mother into a bloody mess. Also I am calling into your "football I.Q" for comparing him to another reciever who has been charged, and suspended for two games because of being arrested seven times for domestic violence, i.e. Marshall. I guess as long as Marshall is on your favorite team, his past sins are washed away.

No I'm no big Marshall supporter of his off the field antics. Trust me. He should have spent time in jail for what he did in the past.

But Fitzgerald isn't innocent and the facts are what the facts are. And if you want to defend him go ahead. I ain't gonna lose sleep over it and I'm not trying to change your mind.

He was acquitted in a court of law... or doesn't that count for anything anymore?

then leave

Lol at MikeO's delusional take on reality.

New from MikeO:  if somebody simply accuses you of something, then that means you're guilty!  Nothing else necessary.

Keep on spinning.

You guys have all resorted to namecalling because you can't debate the issue and prove me wrong. Typical

We've proved you wrong, you just won't admit it.

no you didn't. You have yet to provide one fact that Fitzgerald didn't beat his girl. Just because there are no charges doesn't mean he didn't do it. Look at the Phillip Merling case for crying out loud

There are no charges, not even from his girlfriend, the "accuser". She claims hair-pulling and shoving. Even supposing she is being truthful (and I have no way of knowing one way or another), none of that constitutes a "beating", much less a "bloody" one.

You have yet to provide one fact that you didn't beat his girl.

You make the claim, you provide the proof.  It's absurd for you to expect me to prove that Larry Fitzgerald didn't beat his girlfriend into a "bloody mess," didn't hide WMDs in Iraq, didn't sabotage the levies in New Orleans, etc.

Well for someone who didn't want to spend "2 seconds" of his time to "prove" he was right, I find it hilarious that you made four additional posts on this topic trying to uphold your BS story of her being a bloody mess.  Don't bother replying to this post unless you have a link to the news article supporting your statement.

ha ha ha....I can't believe some of you guys can't get over this. Seriously, its like you come to this website looking to pick an "internet fight".  We have a bunch of people supporting a guy who physicaly abuses women but because he didn't "BLOODY" her in the minds of some (which he did bloody her by the way)....its ok!! HA HA HA!!

And don't tell me WHAT to and not to reply to. Thank you very much.

You took this off topic by your misguided and factually incorrect statement that Fitzgerald was a shitbag for beating the mother of his baby into a "bloddy mess". Also this is your post "Fitzgerald beat his wife/girlfriend to a bloody mess a year or so back. If he isn't a scumbag please tell me what a scumbag is?"
Now if Fitzgerald is a scumbag, he is an angel compared to Marshall. Unlike Marshall's multiple arrests and charges being filed, all we have is a he said/she said with nothing else as far as evidence to back her claims. On top of this she admitted to hitting him. So where does the line get drawn. I have yet to see anyone defend Fitzgerald, nor even Marshall for his previous arrests, but you are assuming, wrongly I must say, that we are for domestic violence because we cannot find any evidence or mention of the so called "bloody mess" anywhere to include blogs.
You can beat someone's ass without leaving them a bloody mess.

So since she hit him its ok for Fitz to hit her back and beat her ass. Sounds like your defending domestic violence.

Just sayin

I am for someone being able to defend themselves. She hit him, he threw her away from him. Of all the choices he could have taken, this was fairly minimal as far as overall violence is concerned.

I am still await a post showing the words "bloody mess" in them. Your attempts to deflect your lies are falling badly.

Your still dragging this on? How many weeks will we go in circles over this? Just curious. GET OVER IT!  My god, get over it  ::) and get over yourself

And keep waiting for that post, cause as I said I'm not your slave and I ain't gonna go searching for articles on google that back me up. Not with the way you people have acted. You want to truth, google it yourself. It's there.

We did google it ourselves.  It's not there.

You aren't refusing to cite your evidence because of your high moral fiber that prevents you from indulging in pointless minutia; we've all seen that you clearly possess no such fiber, based on almost every other thread you've posted in.  You are refusing to cite your evidence because there's nothing to cite, but you still won't come clean and admit that you completely invented the whole "bloody mess" angle.  Instead, you want to criticize us for hanging too tightly to the words that you used.

I know one thing...this thread has derailed into a bloody mess.  Thanks again MikeO.

Hey bro, I didn't derail it. I wasn't the person who got caught up on one word "bloody"

Don't pin that on me. Look in the mirror

...and I see one sexy son of a bitch.

Seriously though, how can I look in the mirror when I haven't even been a part of this discussion?  Again, you needs to get your people straight.