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He should be BANNED from the NFL for life. Never to work for any NFL team again.

And the Jets should lose a late round draft pick for this. The team must be responsible for their own sideline and when a coach/staff member interfers with the play on the field during the game, swift action must be taken.

While I would not mind seeing that.  I think it is a bit over the top. 

One or two game suspension plus a hefty fine ($15k -$25k). Which is the absolute maximum that would have occurred if he was a player instead of a coach.   

My guess is that he'll say he was bracing for protection and that no fine will be levied.

they can't fine him that much, he will lose his house.  a 5 figure fine for a guy who probably only makes 5 is rough.  he should b e banned tho

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81cdbb65/article/dolphins-call-for-league-to-investigate-alleged-tripping-incident

also in the NFL. com article

Outspoken Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder had his own take on the play. "I wish they would have tripped me. I would have broken his leg."

there goes ass-clown again, all talk, no action.  I wish his off the field comments would match his on the field play, we'd have all-pro LB playing the Phins.

take a lesson from Dansby there Chowder, let your play do the talking.

He would fit in well with the Jets. 

My conduct was inexcusable and unsportsmanlike and does not reflect what this organization stands for.

From his apology...

Sal, you got that half right.  It was inexcusable and unsportsmanlike.  The second half of that statement is false. 

Not that this will justify his actions, but did you notice that Carroll was way out of bounds on the play ?

They are talking about it on the post game show on NBC right now.  They are saying there should be "serious action" taken, but not elaborating if they think it will mean fined, suspended or terminated.  I guess it will depend on if they find it was intentional.

“I made a mistake that showed a total lapse in judgment. My conduct was inexcusable and unsportsmanlike and does not reflect what this organization stands for.   I spoke to Coach Sparano and Nolan Carroll to apologize before they took off. I have also apologized to Woody [Johnson], Mike [Tannebaum and Rex [Ryan.] I accept responsibility for my actions as well as any punishment that follows.”

1.  Jets, NFL face dilemma regarding Sal Alosi.

On December 29, 1978, Ohio State coach Woody Hayes lost his cool and punched Clemson defender Charlie Bauman after Bauman intercepted a pass during the Gator Bowl.  Hayes promptly lost his job.

On September 22, 1997, Steelers coach Bill Cowher wisely restrained himself from tackling Chris Hudson of the Jaguars after a blocked field goal attempt at the end of the game transformed a potential 24-23 win by Pittsburgh into a 30-21 defeat.  If Cowher hadn’t kept from reprising his playing days, who knows what would have happened to him?

Though Jets strength and conditioning coach Sal Alosi threw no punches on Sunday when Nolan Carroll of the Dolphins ran by him while covering a punt, Alosi likewise showed no restraint, succumbing to the moment of temptation occasioned by the opportunity to subtly slide a knee into Carroll’s leg.  Apparently oblivious to the fact that cameras were on and rolling, Alosi successfully tripped Carroll.

After the game, once it became clear that any explanations premised on the notion that the incident occurred accidentally or inadvertently would be met with scoffs and/or harrumphs, the Jets issued a statement from Alosi in which he accepted responsibility for his actions “as well as any punishment that follows.”

As Rodney Harrison of Football Night in America said in our weekly look at selected NFL topics, we’ll learn a lot about the Jets based on how they handle this.  In September, the franchise was criticized for allowing receiver Braylon Edwards to play only days after a DUI arrest.  In January, however, coach Rex Ryan was fined $50,000 for shooting a middle finger at Dolphins fans who were heckling him at an MMA event in South Florida, even though Ryan was on his on time and his team’s season was over.

The punishment, whatever it may be, needs to be severe.  The statement from Alosi, which surely was written and/or edited by the team, likely was intended to take some of the sting out of the situation, in the hopes of allowing the Jets to give the man who gave Carroll the Charlie Brown treatment something other than the Woody Hayes treatment.  That said, plenty of people (including Dolphins linebacker Karlos Dansby) will call for Alosi to be fired.

At a minimum, a suspension through the end of the 2010 season must be imposed.  Alosi crossed a line on Sunday, and a severe consequence is necessary to ensure that others who have the privilege of being on the sidelines won’t do the same thing.

What if it had been a photographer or a member of the media who had tripped Carroll?  Surely, that person would already have been fired.  At a minimum, that person never would be permitted to appear on an NFL sideline again.

So why should Alosi be?

Regardless of what happens, the players and their union will be watching.  At a time when players face stiff fines and possible suspensions for accidentally inflicting injury by inadvertently using their helmets while trying to tackle defenseless players, anyone who deliberately takes a cheap shot at a player should face at least that much scrutiny, if not a lot more.

take a lesson from Dansby there Chowder, let your play do the talking.

The guy should not get any credit for his apology or the fact Carol did not get hurt. Woody Hayes got booted for life for throwing a punch and this is no different.

I think another good point was made in the PFT article:

What if a reporter or photographer had done this?  They'd clearly be fired and/or banned from the sideline for life.

You cannot have bystanders cheap-shotting players during the game.  It's absolutely intolerable.

I just can't get that worked up over this.  He wasn't injured, the Dolphins won, and the Jets were shown as the classless frauds they are.  Doesn't get much better.

^ If an injury would have occurred, my response would have been completely different.

^ I feel you.  Just because no injury occurred, it does not make the act any less malicious.

He did it on purpose, yes.  But I don't believe that it was premeditated.  I think that matters.

He did it on purpose, yes.  But I don't believe that it was premeditated.  I think that matters.

If that can be proven that these were orders from above (which I highly doubt), then not only should this guy be fired, but those that gave the orders should be given the boot, as well, all the way up the ladder.

But, I don't think that will happen, and I don't think that this was pre-planned.  At this point, from the evidence we have, it seems like conspiracy theory to suggest anything else.  If new evidence comes forward, I'll re-evaluate.

I am not sure if drunk driving is a great analogy cause there you aren't trying to harm someone.  It is more negligent than intentional

This is more like murder vs. attempted murder.  Or kids throwing rocks trying to break a neighbors window and hitting the wall vs actually breaking the window. 

He did it on purpose.   

...they are not required by NFL rules to move out of the way.

I agree, but that's not what I was saying.  They have a line they are instructed to stay behind.  They have the right to stand behind such line and they are not required by NFL rules to move out of the way.

By the same token, if Nolan Carroll wanted to tackle their asses inside that line, he could do so as well.

That's where you're wrong.  They ARE required by NFL rules NOT to intentionally stand in a location so as to cause "unnecessary physical contact".

They can stand anywhere in the box that they like, but they can't pick a location with the purpose of interfering with opposing players.  Do you understand the distinction there?  Intent matters.

Hoodie, what do you have to say about the situation I outlined earlier with Sanchez and Mike Nolan?

The team sideline box is not some sort of lawless DMZ where anything goes.

Good luck proving that they stood there with the intent of harming the player.

They're allowed to stand in the box.  They were standing in the box.  They are not allowed to impede the player.

What if their back was turned toward the play and the player ran right into them??

Putting aside what Alosi actually did do.  I have no problem with "the wall"  Nolan was running where he is was not suppose to be running.  He had the power to avoid the wall.  So the wall being there to discourage him from going further past were he wasn't suppose to be wasn't really the problem.  However if a Jets player had pushed Nolan out of bounds and the wall did not try to avoid him, then that is a problem.  Them just standing there I don't have a problem with.

So if Sanchez voluntarily runs out of bounds, Sparano is 100% justified in bodychecking him the moment he crosses the plane of the sideline box?

No.  But Sparono is allowed to stand on the Dolphin's sideline at the white line at 1st down marker. What Alosi did was wrong.  The others were standing were they were allowed to be.  They did not make contact with the player. 

I think you are going too far with this.  The must stand behind the white line.  Purposefully standing on the whiteline  starting before the kick cause they know the Dolphins player like to run out of bounds is quite a bit different than purposefully getting in the way once the play is underway.   

They're allowed to stand in the box.  They were standing in the box.  They are not allowed to impede the player.

If they don't want people to stand there, then move the box.  Don't tell players "you can stand anywhere inside this line" and then point out instances where its not allowed.

If that's not what you want, move the line.

Brian, do you or do you not agree that the specific rule that I quoted says that non-player personnel are prohibited from making unnecessary physical contact with players?  I'm not interested in discussing what you think the rules should be for people standing out-of-bounds, I'm interested in what they ARE.

You keep arguing about sidelines and boundaries, but that's irrelevant; coaches are not allowed to make unnecessary physical contact with opponents, anywhere, period.  Standing there and directly watching a player barrel at you full speed, while you make no attempt whatsoever to move, is making unnecessary physical contact.  Intentionally placing yourself in a position where such contact is likely to occur, then standing and watching it occur, is blatantly making unnecessary physical contact.  How can you argue otherwise with a straight face?

If they don't want people to stand there, then move the box.  Don't tell players "you can stand anywhere inside this line" and then point out instances where its not allowed.

With this new information, that this was premeditated, I think that an outright firing is fair.

The firestorm continues. 

Right now, Mike Westhoff is simultaneously claiming that:

a) he had no idea that this kind of thing was happening on his sideline EVERY GAME and he is shocked, shocked I say, to hear it

AND

b) New England and some other teams do it all the time, so what's the big deal, guys?

So we are to believe that he knew that other teams were doing this, but he knew absolutely nothing about his own guys doing it?

Burn, baby, burn.

Also his accusation against NE is a bit interesting...he accuses the defense of lining up when the Patriots punt. 

They aren't building a wall.  They are getting ready to take the field.  I bet NE offense does the same thing when the other team punts.

If you build a wall so that a guy runs around you instead of thru you, there is no violation.

Building an Alosi Wall when your own team is punting is pointless, anyway.  There's no one to interfere with.

OMG, too freaking funny.  Do you mind if I pass this on?  Hell, I don't give a damn if you do or don't, I'm passing it on. LOL

If you build a wall and make contact, you're violating the rules.

If you build a wall so that a guy runs around you instead of thru you, there is no violation.  Its not the same as punching a ref.  Its just standing there.  No action.  No aggression.  No intent.  Just standing.

You can not prove intent based on location of standing if no actions are taken.

You cannot blame intent based on location of standing

That is when they did build the wall.  To interfere with the gunner.  Not the returner. 

You can not prove intent based on location of standing if no actions are taken.

Secret Transcript between Rex Ryan and Mike Tannenbaum and Woody Johnson.
  
RR: *You're Goddamn right I did!*

They weren't outside the rules, though.  Make a wall, but stay inside the lines.

If the NFL doesn't like it, they can move the lines.

The league is checking into whether Westhoff violated a league rule by publicly calling out the Patriots. A 2008 league memo from commissioner Roger Goodell, printed in the San Francisco Chronicle and brought to light Thursday by ESPNBoston.com, warned every team that making false claims against other clubs could result in penalties.
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The memo read: "Any club or individual reporting a violation is expected to do so in good faith, to have a reasonable basis for believing a violation occurred, and to produce (or to identify) evidence to substantiate the claim. In the event I determine that a claim is made in bad faith, is frivolous or that the club or person making the complaint is unable to produce evidence to support the charge, I will impose appropriate sanctions."

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So now outside of Alosi's trip (which is already a fait accompli), we have two potential sanctions for the Jets organization:

1) a Jets coach instructing inactive players to stand in a restricted area
2) a Jets coach making an accusation against another NFL team without providing evidence

If both of those stick, I think we could see the Jets lose a draft pick.  Keep hope alive!

You missed one.  Alosi was the "get back coach" for the Jets.  The Ryan and Westoff have no idea why players would be listening to Alosi regarding where to stand.  BULLSHIT.  You told those players  that they need to listen to Alosi regarding where to stand.