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Title: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: bsfins on December 13, 2010, 05:29:42 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101213/ap_on_sc/eu_ukraine_chernobyl_tourism (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101213/ap_on_sc/eu_ukraine_chernobyl_tourism)

Really? I admit, I thought it was cool seeing Josh Gates do a paranormal investigation in Chernobyl..Would I want to visit? hell no...

Would you want to visit Chernobyl if it were available to you?


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: Dave Gray on December 13, 2010, 05:36:44 pm
Sure, I'd go, assuming it was safe to do so.  I'd be interested in it.


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on December 13, 2010, 05:43:50 pm
As long as it was safe, I'd love to go. It'd almost be like something out of a sci-fi movie.


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: Lee on December 13, 2010, 06:02:42 pm
Never in 15 half lifes! ;-)


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: fyo on December 14, 2010, 04:08:17 am
Never in 15 half lifes! ;-)

So in about 425 years you might be willing to give it a shot?


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 14, 2010, 12:00:06 pm
Not now, but I would be willing to go when I was 70 or so.  I figure by the time the effect of radiation might start to cause cancer twenty years later...I would be long dead. 

My thought is to do more risky behavior as I get older not less.  Die skydiving at 20 and you might miss out on 50-60 years.  Did sky diving at 70 you ain't giving up that many years, so its worth the risk so you can cross it off the bucket list.   


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: Lee on December 14, 2010, 12:08:25 pm
So in about 425 years you might be willing to give it a shot?

Yeah, pretty much.  I was hoping 15 half lifes was closer to a million years, but I have long since forgotten those calculations :-)


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: fyo on December 15, 2010, 08:07:41 am
I was hoping 15 half lifes was closer to a million years

Plutonium-244 has a half-life of nearly 81 million years, but that's not a significant isotope in the Chernobyl disaster. Pu-239, however, has a half-life of some 24000 years and is present to a small degree.

The main radiological contaminants from Chernobyl are/were various iodine, cesium and strontium isotopes. The iodine (I-131) has a half-life of 8 days, so it's no longer an issue. Cesium (Cs-137) and strontium (Sr-90), however, have half-lives of about 30 years and pose the greatest risk today. That's where the 425 years I used came from.


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 15, 2010, 08:40:39 am
FYO and Lee -- You guys seem pretty knowledgeable about this stuff and there is nothing in the article about the relative level of radiation....

We are exposed to radiation every day....

If this is one of those deals were a one day visit would expose me to the same amount of radiation as going thru airport security 20 times.  Or in one day I would get the same radiation as 2 weeks of normal living due to TV, microwave ect.  Then heck why not go.  On the other hand if it is the same as going thru airport security 20,000 times or what I would get normally in 10 years.  Well then maybe not.

Do either of you know who much is left? 


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: fyo on December 15, 2010, 09:23:51 am
FYO and Lee -- You guys seem pretty knowledgeable about this stuff and there is nothing in the article about the relative level of radiation....

We are exposed to radiation every day....

If this is one of those deals were a one day visit would expose me to the same amount of radiation as going thru airport security 20 times.  Or in one day I would get the same radiation as 2 weeks of normal living due to TV, microwave ect.  Then heck why not go.  On the other hand if it is the same as going thru airport security 20,000 times or what I would get normally in 10 years.  Well then maybe not.

Do either of you know who much is left? 

I doubt wandering around for a day will pose any significant risk, but I wouldn't start digging around or eating anything from the area...

Looking it up, there's actually a company specializing in tours of the area -- not surprising, I guess -- and they claim the radiation levels are on par with what you would experience in Kiev:

http://tour2chernobyl.com/faq.html

That's a predetermined route, though, and you are strongly advised to stick to it. It's inside the 20-mile exclusion zone and you get to visit the ghost towns. Doesn't look like the Chernobyl Reactor Site itself is part of the itinerary, though :(

Even worse, they warn that "You will NOT see zombies, three head horses and other monsters. ", which is a major letdown IMHO ;)

Anyhow, trying to figure out exactly what kind of exposure you can expect is a bit of a mess. Best I could come up with was:

At the site (which you can't visit, apparently), current radiation levels are up to 0.01 mSi/h, which is about 20-30x the typical exposure you get from just living in the US -- or about half that of a standard X-Ray.

Basically, the danger isn't the radiation levels there (if you only visit), but the contaminants you might pick up.


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 15, 2010, 01:30:02 pm
At the site (which you can't visit, apparently), current radiation levels are up to 0.01 mSi/h, which is about 20-30x the typical exposure you get from just living in the US -- or about half that of a standard X-Ray.

Basically, the danger isn't the radiation levels there (if you only visit), but the contaminants you might pick up.

Then why not go?  Just don't bring home any souvenirs. 

After reading the site I would probably do more than they suggest and either wear some sort of disposable suit or at min. wear old clothes and especially shoes and throw them out afterward.   

webpage says you get within 100 meters of the reactor.  That seems close enough. 

Its now on my bucket list. 


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: fyo on December 15, 2010, 01:41:31 pm
Hoodie, not that I suspect it's critical, but looking around for info, apparently the Ukrainian government considers these tourist operations "rogue", perhaps even illegal (although in typical right-hand meet left-hand fashion, the local government issues day-permits to tourists entering the area). Sometime next year, the government is planning on some official sightseeing tours.

I wouldn't mind seeing it either (although it's not high on my list -- currently dominated by sites in South America, Africa, and Asia), but I'd also err on the side of caution and throw out my clothing afterwards.


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: Dave Gray on December 16, 2010, 11:39:10 am
It'd be cool  if you got to wear a radiation suit (if only to add to the mystique) and tour right up close to the reactor.


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: bsfins on December 16, 2010, 12:13:28 pm
I'll take a clean radiation suit,but Avoid the trip ....Having a suit might be cool thing... :D


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: Landshark on December 20, 2010, 10:52:38 am
You actually wouldn't need a radiation suit.  From what I've read, it's safe to visit there now.  It's not save to live there though because there are dangerous levels of radiation in the ground and in the water supply. 

I watched a documentary on the Sci Fi channel on what the world would be like if people suddenly disappeared.  They went over some pointers on what would happen in six months, one year, two years, five years, ten years, twenty years, etc.....   It was pretty scary.  They used Chernobyl as a model.


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 20, 2010, 11:09:41 am
You actually wouldn't need a radiation suit.  From what I've read, it's safe to visit there now.  It's not save to live there though because there are dangerous levels of radiation in the ground and in the water supply. 

I watched a documentary on the Sci Fi channel on what the world would be like if people suddenly disappeared.  They went over some pointers on what would happen in six months, one year, two years, five years, ten years, twenty years, etc.....   It was pretty scary.  They used Chernobyl as a model.

I think it was called a "world without people" awesome documentary.   


Title: Re: Chernobyl,a tourist hot spot?
Post by: bsmooth on December 20, 2010, 04:20:54 pm
There has been a motorcycle blog that has been out for years documenting people's rides to Chernobyl.
They have rad meters on their bikes and you can visit for short periods of time. The riders go because they have the roads to themselves and can enjoy the freedom.