Title: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Diehard_Dolfan on December 19, 2010, 04:13:36 pm http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-bill-cowher-miami-dolphins-1219,0,2067463.story (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-bill-cowher-miami-dolphins-1219,0,2067463.story) Just read this what do you guys think? just saying... Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Stinger24 on December 19, 2010, 04:25:33 pm This should get done tonight this coaching staff absolutely needs to be fired immediately. This playing not to lose philosophy has cost us all year and we need a change NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: dolfan13 on December 19, 2010, 04:41:27 pm can he bring rapistberger with him? otherwise, it doesn't matter who is coaching this team with henne as the qb
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Tenshot13 on December 19, 2010, 04:44:36 pm As of right now, I'm all for it...give me a few hours to get my common sense back...too livid to think right now.
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: MikeO on December 19, 2010, 06:41:28 pm No doubt. Marino sits right next to him every week. Dan must be the middle man to get this deal done.
Ross should be on the phone with Marino tonight. And should try and get this done by Week 17. Don't let other teams beat us to the punch for Cowher. Miami is eliminated from the playoffs. We can fire Sparano at any time now. No need to wait till the day after the last game. Lets be proactive and get a jump on things Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: dolfan13 on December 19, 2010, 07:08:17 pm he'll have to find a starting caliber nfl qb... otherwise he isn't going to win shit
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: MikeO on December 19, 2010, 07:16:42 pm he'll have to find a starting caliber nfl qb... otherwise he isn't going to win shit Hey rome wasn't built in a day. First step is to get a legit Head coach and GM. Then they can find the QB. Gotta walk before you run. So lets get rid of the garbage known as Sparano/Ireland and lets get the right people in place and trust them to find a QB Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Tenshot13 on December 19, 2010, 07:19:05 pm I only hope that if we hire a new coach, he keeps the defense intact and retains Nolan...I wouldn't be opposed to having Nolan as the head coach.
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: MikeO on December 19, 2010, 07:20:14 pm I only hope that if we hire a new coach, he keeps the defense intact and retains Nolan...I wouldn't be opposed to having Nolan as the head coach. Im not that in love with Nolan. What I saw today as a defense that is healthy get eaten alive by Ryan Fitzpatrick! No coach on this team should be safe. They all have failed this year. EVERY ONE of them! Nolan included! Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Tenshot13 on December 19, 2010, 07:25:01 pm Im not that in love with Nolan. What I saw today as a defense that is healthy get eaten alive by Ryan Fitzpatrick! No coach on this team should be safe. They all have failed this year. EVERY ONE of them! Nolan included! In the last 7 games opposing teams haven't scored more than 17 points on MIA. We rank in the top ten in defense. Nolan and the defense is the only bright spot this year. It's not his fault that the offense can't score more than 17 points. Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Spider-Dan on December 19, 2010, 09:28:07 pm Like Gregg Williams, Dom Capers, Wade Phillips, Norv Turner, or, yes, Cam Cameron, Mike Nolan is overmatched as a head coach and should stick to what he's good at: being a coordinator.
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Tenshot13 on December 19, 2010, 09:42:33 pm Like Gregg Williams, Dom Capers, Wade Phillips, Norv Turner, or, yes, Cam Cameron, Mike Nolan is overmatched as a head coach and should stick to what he's good at: being a coordinator. Maybe you're right, but I wouldn't be opposed to giving Nolan a second chance as a HC. He failed pretty bad in SF, but he already has an established defense in MIA. I guess the reason I'd want him as HC is because I'm confident someone will hire him as their HC next year, and I don't want to lose him running our defense. I think if he can get a decent OC and leave that part alone for the most part, we could have a pretty damn good team. It's not like I'm 100% confident he'd succeed as a HC, but I wouldn't mind giving him a chance. Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: mecadonzilla on December 20, 2010, 04:08:02 pm In the last 7 games opposing teams haven't scored more than 17 points on MIA. We rank in the top ten in defense. Nolan and the defense is the only bright spot this year. It's not his fault that the offense can't score more than 17 points. And yet, the defense is nothing more than average at best. They can't tackle. They can't get turnovers. They can't pressure the QB. These are, IMHO, the most important traits a defense can have and ours has none of these. Nolan has not impressed me at all this year, so I'd prefer Ross hire from outside the organization. Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Pappy13 on December 20, 2010, 04:15:33 pm The problem that I have with judging this defense right now is that the offense has been so anemic. Teams like the Bills didn't really feel the need to attack the defense. They felt comfortable just putting up like 17 points. If they Dolphins had scored 28, would the defense have held the Bills to 17 then? I seriously doubt it.
I'm happy the defense it playing better than it did last year, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. We need to see more of the same from the defense next year with a revamped offense before we start judging. Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: MikeO on December 20, 2010, 06:00:19 pm What we need on defense is to play a 4-3 and NOT a 3-4.
Solai and Starks at DT would be perfect. Wake as a RDE would dominate. Dansby as our sole MLB solves a lot of problems. Misi is a perfect 4-3 OLB. We have 4-3 talent we are forcing to play 3-4. It has worked for the most part, but in a 4-3 I think we would be even better on our front 7 at least. Same problems we would still have in the secondary but thats a different story. Granted Cowher is a 3-4 guy but I would trust him to fix all of our problems on defense as that was his specialtiy in Pitt. So he can run what he wants as far as I'm concerened if he came here Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: tubba marxxx on December 20, 2010, 07:38:54 pm Don't get too jacked up about this...name one HC that won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams.....don't worry I'll wait
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: MikeO on December 21, 2010, 02:21:38 am Don't get too jacked up about this...name one HC that won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams.....don't worry I'll wait nobody has. So what? So that means you keep Sparano around because of that stupid stat? I don't care if we hire Cowher, Harbaugh, Gruden, or some other assistant. Bottom line is FIRE SPARANO because he sucks! It was only a couple years back that a DOME team never won a Super Bowl ever. Guess what that stupid stat went away real fast with the Saints, Indy...etc. I don't care if a coach has never won in 2 different cities. It's a stupid stat that will go away someday. And nobody should base their coaching decisions on it!! Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Diehard_Dolfan on December 21, 2010, 04:27:38 am I don't care if a coach has never won in 2 different cities. It's a stupid stat that will go away someday. And nobody should base their coaching decisions on it!! Like a former NFL great said all stats like that mean is it's overdue to happen. ;D LOL Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: fyo on December 21, 2010, 10:46:42 am Dansby as our sole MLB solves a lot of problems. Misi is a perfect 4-3 OLB. Dansby is playing at an elite level right now, by far the best player on our team (either side of ball) IMHO. Would he make a good MLB? That doesn't seem to be the role he's filling right now (Crowder's role is closer, IMHO). There's a difference between playing (sole) MLB and one of two ILBs... Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Pappy13 on December 21, 2010, 11:42:51 am How about we actually have a bit of real discussion on this whole Bill Cowher subject? I don't really know a whole lot about Bill, so perhaps some of you know a bit more than I do and could fill me in. I'd like to know the following.
1) When Bill was with the Steelers, did they have offensive and defensive coordinators or did Bill fill one of those positions? 2) Did Bill call the offensive plays? If not, who did? And the Defense? 3) Do you think Bill would keep Nolan? 4) Do you think Bill would keep Ireland? 5) Does Bill use a 3-4 or 4-3? If he's a 4-3 kind of guy, would he be willing to keep it a 3-4 or would he change it? Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 21, 2010, 11:59:10 am 1. They had OC and DC. Not only in name but also in function. According to what I have read it was rare for him to ever meet with just one unit. He would address the team as a whole. But the OC and DC would coach their respective units.
2. see above. he did called the defense at KC when he was he dc. His strongest specialty is special teams, not offense or defense. 3. no idea. 4. bigger question is he demanding full control and want to be GM too or is he just gonna coach 5. 3-4. Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: tubba marxxx on December 21, 2010, 02:15:50 pm nobody has. So what? So that means you keep Sparano around because of that stupid stat? I don't care if we hire Cowher, Harbaugh, Gruden, or some other assistant. Bottom line is FIRE SPARANO because he sucks! It was only a couple years back that a DOME team never won a Super Bowl ever. Guess what that stupid stat went away real fast with the Saints, Indy...etc. I don't care if a coach has never won in 2 different cities. It's a stupid stat that will go away someday. And nobody should base their coaching decisions on it!! Because nobody has a legacy anymore because owners listen to fans like you who call for a coaches head every 2 - 3 years.. Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: bsfins on December 21, 2010, 04:36:17 pm 1) When Bill was with the Steelers, did they have offensive and defensive coordinators or did Bill fill one of those positions? 2) Did Bill call the offensive plays? If not, who did? And the Defense? Defensive Coordinators first ,then the offensive Coordinators... Team Record ‘92 Dom Capers Ron Erhardt 11-5 ‘93 Dom Capers Ron Erhardt 9-7 ‘94 Dom Capers Ron Erhardt 12-4 ‘95 Dick Lebeau Ron Erhardt 11-5 ‘96 Dick Lebeau Chan Gailey 10 -6 ‘97 Jim Haslett Chan Gailey 11-5 ‘98 Jim Haslett Ray Sherman 7-9 ‘99 Jim Haslett Kevin Gilbride 6-10 ‘00 Tim Lewis Kevin Gilbride 9-7 ‘01 Tim Lewis Mike Mularkey 13-3 ‘02 Tim Lewis Mike Mularkey 10-5 ‘03 Tim Lewis Mike Mularkey 6-10 ‘04 Dick Lebeau Ken Wisenhunt 15-1 ‘05 Dick Lebeau Ken Wisenhunt 11-5 ‘06 Dick Lebeau Ken Wisenhunt 8-8 Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Pappy13 on December 21, 2010, 05:10:17 pm It's interesting that most of those guys had 3 years or less in the orginization. 3 years seems like an adequate amount of time to make a determination on someone's ability. Just an observation.
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: bsfins on December 21, 2010, 05:18:47 pm ^^ Some of those guy's were on the staff,Like Lebeau was Defensive backs coach Like '93,'94 before being promoted...That's just the Offensive,and Defensive coordinators
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: tubba marxxx on December 21, 2010, 05:22:24 pm It's interesting that most of those guys had 3 years or less in the orginization. 3 years seems like an adequate amount of time to make a determination on someone's ability. Just an observation. if by make a determination of someone's ability you mean promote them..then you're right Dom Capers - left the Steelers to become the HC of the Panthers Dick LeBeau - left the Steelers to become the HC of the Bengals (obviously is back) Jim Haslett - left the Steelers to become the HC of the Saints Mike Mularkey - left the Steelers to become the HC of the Bills Ken Wisenhunt - left the Steelers to become the HC of the Cardinals Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Pappy13 on December 21, 2010, 05:25:40 pm Yes, I do. It works both ways. 3 years is enough time to find out what you have, either good or bad. If it's good then you move on to better things, if it's not....
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: MikeO on December 22, 2010, 06:48:32 am Yes, I do. It works both ways. 3 years is enough time to find out what you have, either good or bad. If it's good then you move on to better things, if it's not.... I totally agree. Nobody is expecting a super bowl ring in 3 years. But at least some signs that he is the guy that will get the job done someday. With Sparano there are no signs of that. None at all. Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Dave Gray on December 23, 2010, 12:42:58 am I don't know that Sparano will ever win a Super Bowl, but I think that we've been a better team this year over last year. He took over a 1 win team and is sitting at about a .600 winning percentage. Though frustrating at times, the guy has his accomplishments.
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: MikeO on December 23, 2010, 01:13:42 am I don't know that Sparano will ever win a Super Bowl, but I think that we've been a better team this year over last year. What gams do you watch on Sunday? We were far worse this year. If Brandon Marshall's name was "Joe Smith" people would be comparing him to Ted Ginn. Marshall dropped a ton of balls this year and made only a handful of plays. And only his "reputation" is saving him from the Ginn comparisons in the eyes of many. But realisticly Marshall had a Ginn type year. Our corner play is far worse than it was last year. Sean Smith regressed and Jason Allen forced to play so much early and play as horrible as he did was a huge step back. Ronnie and Ricky were worse this year than last. Also the o-line was worse this year than last. Our QB situation was worse this year than last. Special teams were worse this year than they were last. This team took huge steps backwards at almost every position over last year. Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Diehard_Dolfan on December 23, 2010, 04:40:27 am This team took huge steps backwards at almost every position over last year. yeah have to agree with that! Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Pappy13 on December 23, 2010, 09:49:47 am I don't know that Sparano will ever win a Super Bowl, but I think that we've been a better team this year over last year. I think it's been about the same and most of the credit goes to Nolan for improving the Defense. The offense has regressed.He took over a 1 win team and is sitting at about a .600 winning percentage. But he's under .500 for the passed 2 years. He's had 1 good season out of 3 and he has had more talent to work with in the last 2 years bringing in high-priced free agents like Dansby and Marshall. Everyone expected more, including him. He'd be the first to tell you that they under achieved this year.Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: MikeO on December 26, 2010, 07:09:35 pm With then Giants losing to GB today, Coughlin will be fired. Which means Cowher will probably get his wish and #1 choice, which is to be the head coach of the Giants.
So, Cowher to Miami is probably not gonna happen. Which leaves us with the Gruden, Fox, Fisher group. Obviously Fisher would be my next choice with Gruden a close 2nd. Fox 3rd. Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Tenshot13 on December 26, 2010, 08:48:02 pm None of the above...Nolan or Harbaugh.
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: MikeO on December 27, 2010, 06:31:11 am None of the above...Nolan or Harbaugh. Harbaugh is going to MICHIGAN according to some reports. And if he has his selection of NFL jobs, Miami will be down on the list. Considering you will have Carolina and SF, both better jobs. Carolina he can stay with Luck his QB. SF he can stay on the west coast. Nolan can't stay he is part of the problem. Plus, he might get the job in Minny. OR, if Sparano gets the job in Minny, he can follow Sparano there and be with his buddies. And Ross is a "big name"/"big ticket" type of guy. Nolan doesn't fit. Both are unrealistic options. We are looking at the Gruden, Fisher, Fox group for our next head coach. Those are REALISTIC options for the Dolphins Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Diehard_Dolfan on December 27, 2010, 09:59:49 am Both are unrealistic options. We are looking at the Gruden, Fisher, Fox group for our next head coach. Those are REALISTIC options for the Dolphins Why is Fox or Fisher a realistic option? Aren't both of those guys teams (Carolina, Tennessee) stinking it up as well? I'm still not big on Gruden like most people I'd like Harbaugh or a Tony Dungy then Cowher not sure after that... Harbaugh is going to MICHIGAN according to some reports. I'm not sure about the Michigan thing for Harbaugh... I don't see him passing up an NFL job even for his alma mater. Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: Tenshot13 on December 27, 2010, 12:38:24 pm I'd love to have Tony Dungy here. Too bad he doesn't want to coach anymore.
Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: bsmooth on December 27, 2010, 03:39:21 pm Harbaugh is going to MICHIGAN according to some reports. And if he has his selection of NFL jobs, Miami will be down on the list. Considering you will have Carolina and SF, both better jobs. Carolina he can stay with Luck his QB. SF he can stay on the west coast. Nolan can't stay he is part of the problem. Plus, he might get the job in Minny. OR, if Sparano gets the job in Minny, he can follow Sparano there and be with his buddies. And Ross is a "big name"/"big ticket" type of guy. Nolan doesn't fit. Both are unrealistic options. We are looking at the Gruden, Fisher, Fox group for our next head coach. Those are REALISTIC options for the Dolphins No hard evidence Fisher is being fired or resigning. I do not see the love with Fox, he does not seem a huge upgrade at coach. Title: Re: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list Post by: MikeO on December 27, 2010, 05:23:45 pm No hard evidence Fisher is being fired or resigning. I do not see the love with Fox, he does not seem a huge upgrade at coach. The speculation is Bud Adams is going to fire Fisher after the season. Has been for weeks. Which is why his name is in the mix for every job. Fox has an owner that spends ZERO money and you can't win in this league with that type of owner |