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What position? Who do you want?  Who do you think the Dolphins will draft?  Trade up? Trade down?

Discuss. 

Well, I say QB. No second rounder, so they kind of have to. But, I'd imagine we'll see several of the first 14 take QBs. So, enter the Ronnie talk. Maybe trade Ronnie and our #15 for a top 5 pick?

^^^^ Ronnie is a free agent so we would have to sign and trade.

I think that may be extremely optimistic in regards to Ronnie's value. I just don't see too many teams out there who would consider Ronnie an upgrade over what they currently have.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing a trade-down to later in round one, if possible, just to try to recoup that second rounder.

^^^ also unless a new CBA is signed before draft day, there can be NO player trades.  Pick for pick trades are okay, but players can not be traded until a new CBA is signed.  Nor RFA tenders made or franchise tags applied.  Not sure if FA signings are possible, but I doubt it.  

Just for conversation and the fact I know you guys are on top of all things football ... who are the college QBs coming out and what kind of sacrifice would it take for us to get a legitimate option?

I wouldn't mind us picking a quarterback in the first round if a good one is available, but I just don't see it as a major issue.

Without a new CBA, we're limited to trading picks for picks, so I don't see any way we trade up. 3rd round picks have pretty much zero value compared to top 10 picks. Maybe we could jump a spot or two, but that's the limit of it.

Some interesting players:

Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama. He's disappointed a bit this season and so might slip. Probably not to #15, though.
Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State. Really like this guy, but might not be well-suited to the 3-4. Probably won't play inside in the NFL. Still, I'd love the pick.
Cameron Jordan, DE, California. Not sure about this guy. Afraid this is who we'll wind up with.

This doesn't seem like a good draft for offensive tackles... Derek Sherrod (Mississippi State) is one of the favorites. Doubt he'll be a left tackle, but he seems like the best option to upgrade our O-line (and we don't need a left tackle).

Mike Pouncey (Florida) is an early favorite as the first OG to go.

If we trade down, there might be some decent "beef" late in the first round / early in the second. Personally, a solid and durable guy like Anthony Costonzo seems like a perfect upgrade for our O-line. Not sure where he'll go, since some teams might think he needs to bulk up.

I wouldn't mind getting a guy like TE Kyle Rudolph, either, although 15 is probably high to grab a TE.

Next years first and/or second is how.  Not saying it is the brightest idea in the world to mortgage the future, but with 2012 picks the Dolphins could move up.  With this years first and next years first you probably could get Carolina's #1 overall. 

Conventional Wisdom discounts a future pick by a round. So this years first and next years first, is worth about a first and a second. That's not going to provide enough leverage to make a run at the top pick.

(And I don't see us giving up a future top pick, regardless)

is there any way with the 15th overall pick, that you can select a new head coach?  or possibly a new GM.

I mean, I know these kind of positions don't come out of college on draft day, but maybe instead of looking at players at the NFL combines, we should be scouting coaches & GMs at the combines.  that will be a different twist!!!!  LOL

wow.  this organization has soooo many glaring needs and has missed sooo many times on players, does it matter where we pick?

the CULTURE needs to change down there in SoFla.  until someone comes in with a completely new take on what has gone on in the past, it will be status quo.

I'm tellin ya, it's the curse of Shula, not that Don would put the hex on MIA because of the way he was ushered out, but the Football Gods themselves for dissing the greatest coach of all-time.

Jimmy Johnson, I hope you rot in hell. :)

from fiedler to henne and everyone in between... the only thing miami has been consistent at the past 12 years has been bad qb play. until you get a real qb in here that you can build a franchise around, they will be replaying this coaching carousel every 3 years.

I'd like to see the entire draft focus on RB's, OL, and TE's.  Just take the best player available on the board in any of these positions when our turn comes up.  Included in RB's are Full Backs.  It's been quite a while since the Fins had a Full Back that could smash it up the middle for those third and short yardage situations, and i'm sure it's not asking too much that he also have a good pair of hands to catch some short passes and turn them into 25 yd gains.

I'd be willing to do that at this point.  What could it hurt?  I'm not convinced that Henne was the lone source of Miami's problems this year, but I don't think he's ever going to be a franchise QB either.  At most he'll cut down on the interceptions and be a decent journeyman QB.  If the Dolphins think a franchise QB will fix all the ills, I say go for it.  Get a high enough draft choice to pick the best QB coming out of college this year and let him compete with Henne and Thigpen next year.  Let Henning retire and bring in a young aggressive offensive coordinator.

Sparano will NEVER do it.  I don't think he really believes that QB is the problem.  He'll want to rebuild the offensive line (again) and get the running game going by bringing in a couple new RB's.  He'll find a new offensive coordinator and tell everyone that the offensive problems are fixed.  Course they won't be because it will still be the same boring conservative offense that the last offensive coordinator ran out there because the offensive coordinator is at the mercy of the head coach and the head coach just told the last offensive coordinator that he was doing an outstanding job.

If you trade up to take a QB, he won't compete for the starting job.  He gets it automatic.  No matter how good or crappy he is training camp and pre-season game.  Thiggy is a FA and it would be unlikely he would be resigned.  Henne becomes the #2.  Although coach will claim it is a competition between the draftee and Henne.

Mark Ingram..there's not NFL ready QB that's going to be available in the draft..running back/o-line/a REAL DT

Which is another reason why Sparano WON'T do it.  He's not about to bring in a QB that he HAS to start and then suffer through a couple INT's a game while he get's his feet wet in the NFL.  That's COMPLETELY contrary to Sparano's philosophy.

So anyone who wants Sparano back, the most you can hope for is a QB picked 15th who won't start next year or a veteran QB in free agency.  Expecting anything more than that is pure fantasy.

What the HECK are you talking about???

That's the ONE thing we have. Polite is VERY good. I recall him having an insane streak going at one time of converting. And all that despite a mediocre interior O-line and EVERYONE knowing the play call on 3rd and short with Polite in the backfield.

Miami was the #1 ranked team in power situations (2 yards or less) this season. And you want to spend a pick improving THAT aspect?

(And #2 last year, for reference)

Blaine Gabbert declared for the draft.  He is not ready to start right away though.

If Solai leaves via Free Agency.....then we need a NT in the worst way

I would hate it if they let him go.

They might not have a choice.

Also don't be shocked if Marshall is traded this offseason. If Miami can get some value for him they might jump on that. Bad attitude. Poor play. Cut their loses early with him would be wise if the right offer came along.

^^ Agreed.  Don't count on Marshall being in a Dolphins jersey next year especially if Henne is back next year.

Henne will be back. Probably as the #2 QB. But Henne is under contract. Has a managable contract and he won't be going anywhere.

Would put money on Ingram, if he's still there at #15. Ricky's gone, Ronnie's fragile and inconsistemt. Having someone like Ingram in the backfield would take a lot of pressure off of Chad (or whoever is under center). -EK

I think the dolphins should get a QB but from free agency, maybe make a deal with the Redskins for McNabb, but def. draft an explosive offensive player in 1st rd. maybe RB even, why not, that could catch the ball too, and with veteraqn QB to build the offense around could be good. Miami needs a QB with good arm to get that ball to Marshall, since he gets double teamed alot add a receiver, TE with 2nd pick....last year they went mostly defensive players, plus the defense is fairly young and good so def. go for offensive weapons. Rookie QB ....i just dont see one that could be good right away, and he would probably have to start, so instead get QB from free agency and put Henne #2, I thought he'd be better but I just dont see him leading this team

One of 4 positions;

Give me the best NT, ILB, WR or RB still on the board at 15. 

If all four are still on the board, I'd go ILB or RB first.

Otherwise I'd trade down/out of the first round and see if we can get some extra picks.

Haven't we learned you don't take a RB in Rd 1?!?  Unless its a can't miss guy like Adrian Petterson type, don't do it!

You can find capable RB's in the later rounds.  Rd 1 is where you find NT, LB, big-time WR's....etc.

I mean where was Michael Turner drafted? Ryan Grant? Matt Forte? Fred Jackson? Not Rd 1. 2 of those guys went undrafted. Turner was Rd 4 and Fortee was Rd 2.

Point is you can find capable RB's anywhere....wasting a 1st round pick on one makes little sense unless you have that once in lifetime player. And I don't think Ingram or any RB in next years draft is that guy

Where was Wes Welker drafted?  Where was Tom Brady drafted?  Where was Camron Wake drafted? Where was Drew Bennett drafted? Where was Tony Romo drafted?  Where was Antonio Gates drafted?

Yes, you can find capable running backs in later rounds. But you can also find any position there as well. 

In this case, I agree with MikeO completely. Unless you have a bonfide "can't miss" monster RB available, I think you look at other positions first, and grab a RB later. Sure, you can dig out a diamond at other positions in later rounds as well, but I think you're better served by grabbing blue chippers at OL, DL, QB, LB and DB in round one. I think you can occasionally slide WR in there, if you see an Andre/Calvin Johnson type freak of nature, but even those don't work out sometimes (see Edwards, Braylon).

You want to make "pumping up the effectiveness of the running game" your #1 priority in this draft? OK, with a couple of hypothetical liberties, I think you:

A) Trade down from #15 to the mid-late 20's and get back the missing 2nd rounder (reasonable for that sort of positional swap)
B) Grab a road-grading right tackle or top OG in round one. Give Jake some much-needed help...
C) Upgrade defense in rds 2-3 with best players available at any D-need positions.
D) Grab 2-3 mid-late round and UFA rookie "lump o' coal" RBs with high potential, and squeeze 'em to see which have diamond potential.

...and either get Henne to start playing like a starting QB or go after one in free agency who can hold down the starting spot until Miami finds their franchise-caliber QB.

That's silly TROLL BOY! Some positions are harder to find capable players at in the late rounds. RB is a dime a dozen position for the most part. You can get guys who perform at a high level later in the draft or not drafted at all and do it at a higher %. While you are at a lower percentage trying to find QB's, DE,s NT's...etc capable players at those positions in the late rounds.

Totally agree. I wouldn't worry too much about defense though in Rd 1 (and 2 if we trade down). Unless its a quality CB or big-time NT....I think we don't need to go after any defense. I would rather have us get a TE, speed WR, or just someone who can make a big play on offense. And a PULLING left guard will make any RB we have in 2011 look good.  Carey and Jerry on the right side is quality heading into next year. Long at LT is nails. Give me a pulling LG who can pull and create running lanes, and our running problems will be solved!

But unless its CB or NT, I would go Offense, Offense, Offense in next year's early rounds.