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Got this from the article below it.

“If we were coming back to be the same ol’, same ol’, it wouldn’t be acceptable to me, nor should it be to the fans,” Ross said. “I think the plan — and I told Tony I wanted to hear what he had to say, his input — it had to be something to me that I thought would create a winning team. Certainly the emphasis is going to be on offense – an exciting offense, more aggressive offense, creative.”

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2011/01/miami-dolphins-owner-steve-ross-vows-to-deliver-a-winner.html

I know it is just words and it is easier said than done., but it was really important to me that there was an understanding between Sparano and the owner that this overly conservative crap has got to stop.  This league is changing quick and you may win close ones with a conservative game plan, but you sure as crap won't make any playoff noise that way (if you make it at all).

Don't get me wrong, I want to win.  But it is double worse when you lose in boring fashion.  At least give me a few moments to cheer.  I can't get thrilled by field goals unless it is a game winner.  And running Polite for a yard and a half on third down may move the chains but what does it matter when you fizzle out on the next three downs.

Now that I think about it, it has been somewhat fitting that the dolphin is a mammal without any balls.  Time to grow a pair already.

there was a report (not confirmed) that our TE coach George DeLone was leaving the building today with a box and a bunch of stuff.

Sounded like he was fired. But like I said that is an unconfirmed report by one of the newspaper guys who was trying to verify it before stating it as fact.

^^^ This kind of unconfirmed crap shouldn't even be mentioned.  It's fodder for the people who have nothing better to do.  Coaches from every team take boxes of stuff home at the end of every season.

Miami Dolphins beat reporters are reporting it. Why would you take boxes of stuff home? They still have to go to work in the offseason. Just because there are no games doesn't mean there isn't work to be done

^^^ I take boxes of stuff home to work on all the time, and not because I was fired.  Also, my point is that these "beat reporters" that you are referring to have nothing substantive to report, so they shouldn't be saying anything.  All they know for a fact is that a guy was carrying boxes.  Is that really news???  These "reporters" who are making these speculative comments are what's wrong with news today.  Are these the same guys who said Harbaugh was hired by the Fins?  Are they the same guys who said Sparano was fired?  Rpeating these made up stories is what makes the Dolphins franchise look foolish.

No the owner and front office do that all by themselves!!

exactly!

Dolphins | Two assistant coaches unlikely to return
Sat, 08 Jan 2011 15:16:02 -0800 Miami Dolphins quarterbacks coach David Lee and tight ends coach George DeLeone are not expected to return to the team next season, according to Mike Berardino, of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

This alone makes me happy.  The word aggressive is the one that really got my blood pumping.  I hope this turns out to be true.

I agree, an agressive offense would be nice. Gotta have the players though. Marshall, Hartline, and Bess don't cut it. If you want to be agressive you gotta have speedsters who can break games open. Hit that home run. Our top 3 Wr's by NFL standards are slow. Moore and Wallace are bigger/slower guys as well.

Both RB's (obviously both or 1 will be gone) are slow. Our TE is slow.  You can call the most aggressive offense in the world, but you gotta have the players to execute it. We don't right now.

We are built like a Parcells team. Big, slow, grind it out, plotting team. You won't change that in 1 offseason. Especially an offseason that might last 2 weeks with a lockout.


P.S.......the ONE thing we can't do is bring in John Garrett as our O.C. He is the Cowboys TE coach and the brother of Jason.  If we bring in another Cowboys coach, seriously it shows nothing has changed. Enoguh with the Cowboys castoffs when it comes to players and enough with taking anymore Cowboys coaches

I agree with you in the sense that the Parcells style of football is out dated and clearly hasn't worked in some time now..but you want to revamp the entire WR corps?..how exactly would you propose that happens..and "slow" based on what?..did you go on Madden and sort by everyone speed ratings?

Marshall is slow and Bess is slow, but those 2 guys aren't going anywhere they will be back in Miami.

Hartline, Moore, Wallace. Those 3 guys are nice players, but if we could replace at least 2 of them with some speed guys it would help a lot.

You can't talk about changing to an agressive offense but not talk about turning over the talent. To do one you MUST do the other. Otherwise you are spinning your wheels in the mud going noplace. And all of these 5 guys are slow by NFL standards, nonoe of them have gamebreaking speed. Don't pretend they do

Anyone else in favor of replacing Donald Lee with Chad Pennington?

I think you mean David Lee.

And I would do it, but I think Pennington has his eyes on bigger things than being a football coach. He might want to go into business or politics

That isn't the first time I've called David Donald. lol Not sure why I keep mixing them up.

Pennington is a smart guy, and I'm sure he'd succeed in whatever he gets into.

Good players are great and all, but that's not even what I'm talking about.  I'd like to see us go for it more on 4th and short, for example, regardless of personnel.  I'd rather try to win and not, instead of try to keep the game close and lose anyway.  When I read aggressive, I'm not even talking about offensive play calling, in terms of plays...it's more a team philosophy of going for the jugular.

Yes. Like going for it on 4th and inches instead of kicking a fg with the lead. Baltimore just scored that way!!! Very nice!!!

Marshall is not a speedster but he does use his body to get open... Bess is strictly a slot guy he's quick not fast.  Hartline has the speed to stretch the field but is not consistent but that's partly his QB's fault.  Moore hasn't had any problem getting open Henne just hasn't been able to get the ball to any of his receivers consistently!


I think part of our problem is that Ronnie Brown has definitely regressed as a RB!  Ronnie is a big back by NFL standards and looks to try and be a finesse back instead of lowering his shoulder and running over people.  Ronnie Brown is a bit too patient with setting up his blocks... he needs to just hit it and go sometimes instead of stuttering.   

The Browns game was the worst. We had a 3rd and 8 at like the 35 yard line and we ran Ricky up the middle for like 2 yards to try a FG. I mean if you don't try and pick up a 3rd down vs the stinkin Browns at home and are playing for a FG, something is seriously wrong

Agressiveness is not about speed.  It's about taking chances when you have the chance.  It's about not taking what the defense is giving you, but rather dictating to the defense what you are gonna do.  It's about throwing the ball downfield even after you cross mid field and not becoming conservative in your offensive play calling.  Granted that speed helps, but it's not the be all and end all.  Marshall, Hartline and Bess are plenty good enough.  What's not good enough is all the other parts of the offense.

Now you are talking.  This is where the team really failed this year.  The running game was terrible.  The offensive line didn't open any holes and the few times they did, the RB's failed to really exploit them.  The TE wasn't a reliable option.  The QB played scared to make mistakes most of the time and then tried to force the ball at all the wrong times.  All of those positions need to have better play.  I still haven't given up on Henne, but he's clearly got to get better at being a more dynamic player.  He's got to quit worrying about making mistakes and just play.  Whether that's coaching or on him, I can't say, but either way it's got to happen for him to take the next step.

Agreed.  That's why you have to make due with the few players that you have that are decent which are Marshall, Hartline, Bess, Carey and Long.  Others will have to step up like maybe Henne, Cobb and Hilliard.  Then a few more will have to be added in the offseason.  It's not impossible, other teams do it all the time, I'm just not convinced that Sparano and company can do it.  The offensive line problems are the most puzzling for me.  Sparano's background is offensive line.  It's quite shocking how many have been brought in and failed to produce.  In my opinion they need to pick 3 guys in the middle of the line and stick with them all through preaseason and the season.  Time for the revolving door to shut down and let 5 guys get all the snaps and gel.

Gotta have speed to be aggressive.

If you are gonna throw the ball downfield more, you need someone with the speed to get there and make the play

No, you don't.  All you need is good route running, good hands, good timing, an accurate pass and enough time.  Speed only helps with the enough time part, a decent line can do the same thing.  And all the speed in the world doesn't matter if one of the other keys is missing.  That's why Tedd Ginn will never make a good WR and Gronkowski is already a better reciever.  Speed works well in college, in the pro's everyone is fast, what you need is ability and smarts.

Wayne Chrebet the old jets's WR was never known for speed caught many deep balls... Troy Brown was not a blazer caught many a deep ball... go back to Jerry Rice deemed too slow for the NFL need I say more?

Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, neither is known for speed... a lot more guys in NFL with top notch speed but speed doesn't always translate to great receiver...

Ginn cant catch the ball. That's what hurts him. Nothing else

I seem to recall him having trouble beating press or bump coverage as well...

Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all and let people think that you don't know anything then open your mouth and prove them right.

I rest my case.

And now who de-railed this thread? Some of you people are such hypocrites.

Bottom line is everyone you mentioned in your post above played on a team with at least 1  speed WR. A burner. Rice had Taylor as just one example. Im not saying every WR needs to be a speed guy, but you need to have 1 on your roster to expand the field. So everyone just can't crowd up. Make opponents respect your deep passing game. We don't have one of those guys. We don't need 3 or 4. Just 1!

But why let a good football discussion get in the way of your petty, childish, namecalling!  Go back to acting like a 4 year old. Seems to be what you do best

^^ Sorry, that was the only response I could come up with to "Ginn cant catch the ball. That's what hurts him. Nothing else".   My mouth was around my knees.  I'm done.

Some folks are well past that point. 

 ::)whatever. Way to derail a thread beacuse you can't debate the topic at hand.

The Ravens have Anquan Boldin and TJ Houshmandzadeh neither known for speed their other receiver is 36 yr old Derrick Mason again not a blazer!

Please say something this is open to debate.  This isn't Monty Python.  You just saying "Yes it is." and me just saying "No it isn't" is not really a debate, so I stopped.

And have they won anything yet?

Until they do its proving my point. You don't get rings for earning a wild card spot and being in the 2nd round of the playoffs!

P.S...They do have Stallworth is does have speed!!

 ::) Please. You derailed the thread with namecalling and off-topic nonsense. I made a point  my stance on the football discussion and on Ginn, you can disagree or agree,....whatever!! But you just went to the gutter and started namecalling for no reason playing your childish games.

Grow up and talk football like what this thread is here for. Or just pipe down son!

I'm naming receivers that are slow and still catching deep passes even when the speed guys aren't on the field!

I've seen Marshall, Hartline, Moore open deep many a time so speed hasn't been the problem for being able to go deep... It's the lack of a QB (Henne) to get the ball to them!  It's no coincidence the dolphins running game is non existent... If you don't fear a team going deep you can jump on everything short including runs!