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Title: I was wrong...
Post by: Dave Gray on January 09, 2011, 11:29:59 am
Since everyone on here is so full of themselves lately, I say it's time we humble ourselves and all take time out to eat crow on a prediction.  So, choose something that you were wrong about and admit it.  If you haven't been wrong about anything, you are a liar (and likely a douche.)

I will start.

I was wrong about Michael Vick.  When he came back to the NFL, I never thought that he'd be a viable QB again.  Given that he never seemed that have the right work ethic and spent a lot of time away from a football field, I thought there was no way that he'd get better.  However, I think he is now playing the best football of his career.  I also think that he's a psychopath, but that's for another thread.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: tepop84 on January 09, 2011, 11:32:06 am
Edited by Hoodie:

This is a thread for admitting mistakes you made.  Not bragging about things you got right.  If you want to brag about things you got right take it to another thread.

Thank you,

The management. 


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: Sunstroke on January 09, 2011, 11:51:05 am

I'll eat a little crow soufflé over Bill Parcells. While I was skeptical on how long he'd stick around, I was fairly confident that the Tuna would be able to put a system in place to develop the team into a contender. Now it seems like all he did was play golf, cash large paychecks, give mediocre advice on players and delay the actual turn-around of this organization by (at least) 3 years.

I'm not quite ready to eat crow on Henne or Sparano yet...though Henne's feathers are getting darker every time I see him fly.



Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: tepop84 on January 09, 2011, 11:55:36 am
I was wrong about the chiefs this year.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 09, 2011, 12:14:52 pm
I agree with Sunstroke, I was worried that Parcells was going to radically turn around the Dolphins are begin challenging the NEP for the AFCE.

I also thought Moss would behave and put up another outstanding year to convince the Patriots or someone else to give him a fat contract.   


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: Thundergod on January 09, 2011, 12:23:35 pm
+1 on the Mike Vick thing.   I was wrong on the Vikings, that implosion caught me by surprise. I seriously thought that Minny was gonna be serious contenders after last season. Amazing what a difference a year makes... Hell, I had New England and Minnesota in the SB at the beginning of the year. Man I was waaay off. Ha.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: StL FinFan on January 09, 2011, 12:42:57 pm
I was wrong yesterday.  I thought the Saints and Colts would win.  I'll probably be wrong again today.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 09, 2011, 02:24:13 pm
I was wrong about the Patriots.  I predicted they'd be cellar dwellers by now with an aging qb and a bunch of young no names.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: Dave Gray on January 09, 2011, 02:32:24 pm
I think I was also wrong about Brady.  For years (not as long as some others, though), I thought he was a product of the system, and any comparisons between him and Peyton Manning was crazy.  However, I think I've seen enough of him to say that he's arguably the most effective QB ever.  I don't know if his physical skills can match up with the all-time greats, but he makes decisions better than anyone.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: dolphins4life on January 09, 2011, 02:44:00 pm
I was wrong about the Dolphins.

I was wrong about how good my fantasy team would be.   


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 09, 2011, 06:37:51 pm
I think I was also wrong about Brady.  For years (not as long as some others, though), I thought he was a product of the system, and any comparisons between him and Peyton Manning was crazy.  However, I think I've seen enough of him to say that he's arguably the most effective QB ever.
Co-signed (mostly).

Do I think that Brady would have been as good without Belichick?  No.  But Montana had Walsh and Marino had Shula, and I don't hold that against them.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: MikeO on January 09, 2011, 08:15:48 pm
If Brady wins a ring this year he might go down as the Greatest QB to ever play. Have 4 rings. Was a few seconds away from a 5th ring and a perfect season. Holds a few single season passing records.

He would have it all, the rings, the team accomplishments, a few records. And he would have won his rings with not a lot of big name offensive talent around him. I mean Moss is a hall of famer but he would have won 4 rings without Moss. And name 1 big time offensive talent he had with him on offense when he won those 3 (possibly 4 rings). Kevin Faulk? Please!

Brady is an all time great. He is one more championship away from being an immortal though.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: Dave Gray on January 09, 2011, 08:43:27 pm
Do I think that Brady would have been as good without Belichick?

I don't, no.  However, I think that it is no longer Belichek, and Brady could play elsewhere effectively.  Brady has given back as much to Belichek (if not more) as he's gotten.  It's easy to be seen as a genius when your QB does all the right things.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: tepop84 on January 09, 2011, 09:31:18 pm
brady is a cheat.  in his development years, he knew the defenses plays.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 10, 2011, 12:35:05 am
So what?  They obviously didn't know the defenses' plays in 2007, nor this year.

The Spygate argument is tired.  Let it die.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 10, 2011, 02:21:31 am
So what?  They obviously didn't know the defenses' plays in 2007, nor this year.

The Spygate argument is tired.  Let it die.

We can never let cheaters off the hook, however, I agree that he has proven his talent since then.  In me mind, the Pats will always be stinkin' cheaters though.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: MaineDolFan on January 10, 2011, 09:23:38 am
Tom Brady is, perhaps, the greatest QB that any of us will get to see play.  Hate all you want, but facts are facts. The guy is nails.

I was oh so wrong about Chad Henne.  Man, was I excited about this guy.  Big time QB in college.  Tough as nails.  Always made good decisions with the ball.  Cannon of an arm.  I thought that maybe, finally, Miami had a quarterback.  I clung to that hope for a long time.  However, like the last sip at the bottom of my beer from Friday night that I forgot to throw away...he / it is useless.

BTW - a lot of you are not seeing Dave's point of this post.  This isn't a "I was wrong about a random game" thread.  This is about something larger that you took a stance on.  Something you defended.  Something you were wrong about.  So unless you were fighting with people tooth and nail about the Saints beating the Seahawks...that doesn't quite cut it.  No, I'm not picking on anyone in particular.  That example is merely the one that comes to mind this second.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: Phishfan on January 10, 2011, 10:20:41 am
So many people have posted, I have to copy a few. I was wrong about Vick. I was wrong about Henne.

My feeling on Vick predate his legal issues (VT can suck it). He really seems to have been working to make himself a better player. I actually think he may have done some reflection personally as well. I thought he would just end up being sorry he was caught, but I think he has looked at himself deeply.

I wasn't expecting Manning like play from Henne this year, but I expected to see a level of improvement. I think I actually saw regression instead.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: Pappy13 on January 10, 2011, 12:50:28 pm
I was wrong about New England.  I thought it would be a rebuilding year for them and they would go about 9-7 and the Jets would win the AFCE.  Instead they finish 14-2 and have to be the odds-on choice for Super Bowl winner now.  No question that Belichick did one fine job of coaching this year, perhaps his best year ever.

I was wrong about the Dolphin's second half of the season.  I thought the weak schedule down the stretch would help propel them into the playoffs or at least a shot at the playoffs.  When they started out 4-4, I was sure that we'd finish no worse than 10-6 based on how the Dolphins were playing.  No question that Sparano did about as poor of job of coaching a team during that stretch that I have ever seen.  His decision to bench Henne in favor of Pennington to give his offense a spark was the first sign that he didn't have a clue and it only went downhill from there. 

I've already made 2 predictions for next year.  Miami won't draft a QB in the 1st round and that Sparano will be fired or quit before the end of next year.  Mind you, I don't necessarily think that Miami SHOULD draft a QB in the 1st round, I just don't think that Sparano/Ireland will.  Too many other needs at this point. If he drafted a QB this year, it's highly doubtful that player would be able to help the Dolphins next year and Tony knows he's got about 1 year left to prove he can do it.  I see a free agent QB coming in to compete with Henne next year.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: StL FinFan on January 10, 2011, 01:01:13 pm
Maine, I was half joking when I put down I was wrong about my picks. 

The examples I would use would be the same as others : Vick and Henne.  I think those views are pretty well known.  I thought Marshall would do great things here, but part of that goes back to Henne, also.  I can't think of anything else at the moment.

I thought of another one:  I thought Incognito would be the same distraction on the Dolphins as he was on the Rams, but he behaved himself and had a good season.


Title: Re: I was wrong...
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on January 10, 2011, 05:45:19 pm
I too will have to admit to being wrong about Tom Brady. I, like Dave, always thought he was a product of a great system, but as many of the pieces around him continue to change he has proven to me that he is not only a good QB but one of the best this league has ever seen. Now mind you I still dislike him and the Pats but I have a ton of respect for the guy and I am jealous that he is not on my team.

I also have to admit that I argued with everyone that would listen to me that I thought Atlanta was over rated and would barely make the playoffs if at all. I just did not see them as a threat. Clearly I was wrong on this as they have the #1 seed in a tough NFC. They were better than I gave them credit for.