Title: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Adam First on January 17, 2011, 02:15:07 pm http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6030633
He was the Cleveland Browns' offensive coordinator for the past two seasons. Well then. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Phishfan on January 17, 2011, 02:59:38 pm My first reaction, "Who is that?"
Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Pappy13 on January 17, 2011, 03:00:45 pm Well at least he's young, 35. That's what half the age of our last OC?
Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Jim Gray on January 17, 2011, 03:03:03 pm Interesting. This is a young guy (35), who seemed to do okay with a messy QB situation in Cleveland. I don't think it will be any worse. I wonder if he was fired or about to be fired in Cleveland, now that Mangini is gone?
Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: dolfan13 on January 17, 2011, 03:09:51 pm didn't the browns score fewer points than the dolphins did this year? their offense was basically hand off peyton hillis, hand off peyton hillis, hand off peyton hillis. with a little wildcat sprinkled in with the cribbs guy they have.
Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: dolphaholic on January 17, 2011, 03:10:20 pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgU42Yzbf84
I think this fist pump of a FG is what sold Sparano.......a man after his heart. ;D Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on January 17, 2011, 03:23:58 pm My first reaction, "Who is that?" I had this same reaction.....I am sure we are not alone. Maybe it is a good thing not bringing in a big name guy!!!!! Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Pappy13 on January 17, 2011, 03:37:43 pm Don't forget that Cleveland was only 1 of 2 teams to beat New England this year. Daboll comes from the Belicheck tree and also coached for the Jets recently. Perhaps he knows a little something about not just coaching those offenses, but how to stop them as well. Practicing against a real life NFL offense might just give the Dolphins D a better shot at stopping the Jets and Patriots next year. Wishful thinking I know, but it's all I got for now.
Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Jim Gray on January 17, 2011, 04:12:40 pm Initially, I said that Daboll did okay in Cleveland, but I went back to look over the numbers. Not so good, in fact, pretty much at or near the bottom in most offensive categories.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=0011&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2010&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go I know it can be difficult to go by numbers alone, but I wonder what they see in this guy that would mitigate the stats. We basically just hired the guy who was in charge of the worst offense in the AFC, can someone explain this please? Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Pappy13 on January 17, 2011, 04:14:55 pm Initially, I said that Daboll did okay in Cleveland, but I went back to look over the numbers. Not so good, in fact, pretty much at or near the bottom in most offensive categories. He didn't have much to work with there in Cleveland either though. I'll take checkdown Chad over anyone that's played QB for the Browns in the last 2 years except for maybe McCoy who looks like he might actually have a bit of something.Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: MikeO on January 17, 2011, 04:30:23 pm It's a safe hire for Tony. A guy Sparano won't have to look over his shoulder and worry he will be sabotaging or pulling backroom deals with Ross him trying to get his job.
Not a fan of this move. Hope I'm wrong Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: MikeO on January 17, 2011, 04:49:52 pm I believe Daboll is a big Brady Quinn guy. He worked with him in Cleveland and was high on Quinn.
Not saying I want Quinn, but nothing would surprise me. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Spider-Dan on January 17, 2011, 05:01:24 pm We replace our OC with one of the few (the very few) coordinators in the league with a worse offense than our own.
This is like if Minnesota fired Brad Childress and then hired Mike Singletary to replace him. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: MikeO on January 17, 2011, 05:02:41 pm We replace our OC with one of the few (the very few) coordinators in the league with a worse offense than our own. This is like if Minnesota fired Brad Childress and then hired Mike Singletary to replace him. Maybe we are trying to TANK the season to draft Andrew Luck!! Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: badger6 on January 17, 2011, 05:05:44 pm We replace our OC with one of the few (the very few) coordinators in the league with a worse offense than our own. This is like if Minnesota fired Brad Childress and then hired Mike Singletary to replace him. And then a week later replaced Mike Singletary with Wade Phillips !!!!! Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Pappy13 on January 17, 2011, 05:41:33 pm What did you expect when they decided to retain Tony Sparano? Did anyone really expect us to bring in someone who was gonna turn the offense into a scoring machine? Tony doesn't want that. He wants the offense to be safe and mistake free.
Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Stinger24 on January 17, 2011, 05:44:31 pm What did you expect when they decided to retain Tony Sparano? Did anyone really expect us to bring in someone who was gonna turn the offense into a scoring machine? Tony doesn't want that. He wants the offense to be safe and mistake free. Exactly he found someone he can micromanage next year Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Diehard_Dolfan on January 17, 2011, 06:19:35 pm In all my yrs as a Dolphin fan I've always been able to find a ray of hope in every move they've ever made....
I can't for the life of me find one here! ??? WOW! I hope I'm wrong and hope there is something to this guy but, you bring in someone who's done worse than your own pathetic offense the last two yrs???? I was more at ease with any of the re-treads coming in as OC... Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: DolFan619 on January 17, 2011, 06:22:55 pm Absolutely terrible hire. Then again, when you have a lame duck coaching staff what else do you expect?
Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 17, 2011, 06:46:49 pm Don't forget that Cleveland was only 1 of 2 teams to beat New England this year. Cleveland was also only 1 of 2 teams to have 3 TO on defense. If the Dolphins want the coordinator responsible for that game it is Rob Ryan not Brian Daboll. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: badger6 on January 17, 2011, 07:08:30 pm What did you expect when they decided to retain Tony Sparano? Did anyone really expect us to bring in someone who was gonna turn the offense into a scoring machine? Tony doesn't want that. He wants the offense to be safe and mistake free. I was under the impression that Ross retained Sparano with the understanding that they would try to incorporate a more consumer friendly offense, i.e. - scoring machine...................... .... Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Pappy13 on January 17, 2011, 08:40:39 pm Cleveland was also only 1 of 2 teams to have 3 TO on defense. If the Dolphins want the coordinator responsible for that game it is Rob Ryan not Brian Daboll. That doesn't explain how Hillis had 184 rushing yards or that Colt McCoy threw for 174 yards. That's over 350 yards of offense between those 2 players. They only punted 3 times the whole day and scored 34 points. 3 TO's doesn't completely explain it.Now I'm not expecting that he's gonna come to Miami and do that nor do I think that if Cleveland played New England again next week that would happen again, but you can't deny they did put up some big numbers on the Patriots that day. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Pappy13 on January 17, 2011, 08:43:51 pm I was under the impression that Ross retained Sparano with the understanding that they would try to incorporate a more consumer friendly offense, i.e. - scoring machine...................... .... Within reason. We can't have our offensive coordinator getting all crazy and stuff and trying to throw down field. That would be risky! LOLTitle: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Thundergod on January 17, 2011, 11:23:30 pm Yay! ::)
Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: badger6 on January 18, 2011, 06:11:31 am Within reason. We can't have our offensive coordinator getting all crazy and stuff and trying to throw down field. That would be risky! LOL What about at least a shovel pass !!! Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Dolphster on January 18, 2011, 08:00:47 am Hiring Daboll will turn out to be almost as great of a move as drafting Cecil "The Diesel" Collins. ;D
Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Jim Gray on January 18, 2011, 10:26:23 am I can't label this a bad move, since I just don't know anything about Daboll. He may turn out to be an offensive genius, but on the surface, the hiring seems to defy conventional wisdom.
As a fan, you want to believe that the front office knows something you don't; but it's becoming harder and harder to convince myself that this is true. But until it is proven otherwise, I will remain hopeful that Miami has uncovered a diamond in the rough who can help turn our offensive woes around. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Phishfan on January 18, 2011, 10:35:13 am I'm with Jim. There have been several moves I pictured would fail (see BB going to NE) and several I thought would be a hit that missed (See JJ coming to Miami). I'm going to have to wait this one out.
Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Pappy13 on January 18, 2011, 11:42:06 am Maybe this helps?
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/18/2020841/new-hire-cant-help-but-be-a-lift.html I certainly think personel has a lot to do with what an offensive coordinator can do. I still think that some of the pieces are in place here in Miami. I'm not as down on Henne as most are and I'm also not as down on our receivers as most seem to be. I think our biggest issue this year on offense might have been the offensive line and lack of a solid running game. I'm not sure how much of that falls on Ricky and Ronnie's shoulders and how much of it was on the offensive line. My instincts tell me that it was the offensive line. If we can improve that and improve the rushing attack, I think the passing attack has a better chance of suceeding, but they'll also have to put more faith in Henne and the receivers and open up the attack a bit. There was way too much checking down to underneath and letting the defense dictate to the offense what they would do. Anytime you let the defense dictate to you, you've already lost in my opinion. You must make the defense be afraid of going down the field even if the coverage dictates that you don't. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Doc-phin on January 18, 2011, 11:53:32 am Cleveland had three options at QB... Rookie, turnover prone vet without mobility, turnover prone vet with mobility. They had run of the mill receivers, but an X factor in Cribbs.
They decided to do everything they could with their only two solid options in Cribbs as a slasher and Hillis as a mauler. I can't blame them for this. You may also recall that they tried to get the passing game going early in the season with Delome (sp?), but he proved early to not be smart with the ball and had to scale back. Again, a decision that you can see why it was made. So we can see evidence that he works to the strengths of his team. But is that enough? Perhaps in his interview process he demonstrate that he is capable of developing a more complex scheme and that he had no choice but to work with what he has had. Perhaps the meeting with Mangini was to confirm this notion. All of which are assumptions for us to ponder. Ultimately, this guy is primarily an unknown. I don't particularly like it that we don't have a guy with more obvious potential at this point. Our players need someone they can more easily buy into and without a history to look at the players may question what he will be selling them. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: MaineDolFan on January 21, 2011, 10:00:16 am I love how people don't know who someone is and automatically assume it's a terrible hire. The "names" become "names" over time. At least see what the guy brings to the table before deciding this is a bad hire. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Jim Gray on January 21, 2011, 10:31:34 am I thought this was an interesting story on phins.com - http://www.thephinsider.com/2011/1/19/1943467/a-cleveland-perspective-on-new-dolphins-offensive-coordinator-brian?ref=yahoo
This is just one person's opinion of Daboll, but it's interesting to know what a Cleveland fan thought of his coaching ability. Quote A Cleveland perspective on new Dolphins offensive coordinator Brian Daboll The hot topic in Miami right now concerning the Dolphins is obviously the hiring of former Browns offensive coordinator Brian Daboll for the same position with the Dolphins. I do think that yesterday's post sparked some good debate amongst us Dolphins fans regarding the team's new offensive coordinator. But I felt it was important to also get some thoughts from a different perspective - from the point of view of a Cleveland Browns fan. Daboll spent two seasons in Cleveland as their offensive coordinator. So I figured I'd be crazy not to get some thoughts on the move from Chris Pokorny, the main man at Dawgs By Nature - SBN's Browns blog. Below is what Chris had to say about his team's former offensive coordinator: Brian Daboll was the Browns' offensive coordinator for two seasons, each of which were slightly different. In the first year, Daboll seemed lost, although who wouldn't when you have Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn under center. Neither quarterback could complete a pass, so then for the final four games of the season, Daboll deployed a new strategy: basically forget the passing game, and do nothing but run the football and use Joshua Cribbs in the Wildcat. Cleveland won their final four games of 2009 after a 1-11 start. In 2010, even though the thought of Jake Delhomme doesn't exactly spell"upgrade at quarterback," that is what Daboll treated him as. It was clear the Browns did not have the receivers to support an aerial attack though, and to begin the season, Cleveland failed to run the football very much, costing the team several games. Mid-way through the season, the commitment to the run under Peyton Hillis became a little bit better and fans were warming up to Daboll a little bit. What happened next cost Daboll dearly: teams began loading the box and run blitzing Hillis right off the line. No adjustments were made. The playcalls would run Hillis right up the gut even if the entire defense was there. If we weren't going to run it, we would line our quarterback up in Shotgun, making it too predictable that we weren't going to run. On top of that, there was a stretch where the routes on a 3rd-and-5 were always designed to go between 1-3 yards. The Browns would not take many shots down the field until they were behind by two possessions late in the game. Daboll's strength is that he seemed very good at scripting the first offensive series or two of the game. His weakness is that he didn't utilize the team's personnel very well, and after the first two possessions, particularly in the second half of games, there seemed to be 'no method to his madness' in terms of playcalling. I was surprised to see him get another offensive coordinator job right away. He might have been at a disadvantage in Cleveland though, where he had to work with five different quarterbacks over two seasons and some of the worst starting receivers in the league. Best of luck to the Dolphins - hopefully you don't end up as frustrated as we did with Daboll. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 21, 2011, 01:03:39 pm That doesn't explain how Hillis had 184 rushing yards or that Colt McCoy threw for 174 yards. That's over 350 yards of offense between those 2 players. They only punted 3 times the whole day and scored 34 points. 3 TO's doesn't completely explain it. Now I'm not expecting that he's gonna come to Miami and do that nor do I think that if Cleveland played New England again next week that would happen again, but you can't deny they did put up some big numbers on the Patriots that day. Browns had a 404 yards of total offense and while in a vacuum that may sound impressive. That was in fact not close to the worst for NE on the season. Five teams had more yards of offense against NE and all of those 5 teams lost, including such powerhouses as the Lions (406 yards) Bengals (428 yards) and the Vikings (410 yards). In NE blowout against Miami of 41-14, the Dolphins put up almost as much offense at 400 yards. Putting up yards against NE was not a key to victory over NE. The only way to beat NE this year was to win the turnover battle. Browns did that. Jets did that twice. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Pappy13 on January 21, 2011, 02:32:02 pm Browns had a 404 yards of total offense and while in a vacuum that may sound impressive. That was in fact not close to the worst for NE on the season. Five teams had more yards of offense against NE and all of those 5 teams lost, including such powerhouses as the Lions (406 yards) Bengals (428 yards) and the Vikings (410 yards). In NE blowout against Miami of 41-14, the Dolphins put up almost as much offense at 400 yards. Putting up yards against NE was not a key to victory over NE. The only way to beat NE this year was to win the turnover battle. Browns did that. Jets did that twice. Miami punted 6 times, turned it over 4 times (once on downs, once on a missed FG) and had time run out once on 12 posessions. They had 1 drive in 12 that ended up in points, a 8.3% success rate.Cleveland punted 3 times, turned it over once and had time run out once on 11 posessions. They had 6 drives in 11 that ended in points. A 54.5% success rate against that same defense. New England's 3rd turnover came with 2 minutes left in the game when the outcome had already been decided. It wasn't just the turnovers that decided the game, it was the Cleveland offense' ability to avoid turning the ball over combined with New England's turnovers that did it. Clevelands offense was FAR better than Miami's in putting points on the board which was obviously helped by them not turning the ball over. A big part of Miami's problems last year were turnovers which tend to be drive killers. If Daboll can fix just that part of Miami's offense, it will make a HUGE impact. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on January 21, 2011, 02:55:10 pm The Browns would not take many shots down the field until they were behind by two possessions late in the game. This alone I hope changes. I want to see the Phins take more chances downfield and not when they are getting beat like a screened door in a hurricane. I want to see them try and catch teams off guard by doing it early or in situations that would not necessarily call for it. We really need to open up the offense, I mean really what have you got lose!!!! Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: MikeO on January 21, 2011, 05:27:46 pm This alone I hope changes. I want to see the Phins take more chances downfield and not when they are getting beat like a screened door in a hurricane. I want to see them try and catch teams off guard by doing it early or in situations that would not necessarily call for it. We really need to open up the offense, I mean really what have you got lose!!!! Miami doesn't have the players to attack down the field. Our WR's aren't speed guys. We need a speed guy to open up down the field. Which will allow Marshall to work the middle of the field and do his most damage. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: Landshark on January 22, 2011, 08:51:52 am We replace our OC with one of the few (the very few) coordinators in the league with a worse offense than our own. I'm a little late to the party but this is why I didn't like the fact that Sparano was retained. He doesn't get it. He had several qualified candidates to choose from and he hired the guy whose offense scored fewer points than the Dolphins. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: MikeO on January 22, 2011, 10:30:51 am I'm a little late to the party but this is why I didn't like the fact that Sparano was retained. He doesn't get it. He had several qualified candidates to choose from and he hired the guy whose offense scored fewer points than the Dolphins. The story of the Dolphins offseason comes down to this.... 1) Ross screwed up in keeping Sparano and failing to land Harbaugh. You either keep the Harbaugh talks so quiet that nobody finds out about it OR you fire Tony and just go on a coaching search. Ross screwed the pooch on that one. And the mis-steps and mistakes that has been all over the Sparano era are continiung. This hire makes no friggin sense at all. It's a safe hire because Sparano doesn't want a qualifed big name OC breathing down his neck ready to take his job. Tony put his status and his piece of mind before the team. PERIOD! 2) When we fail in 2011 (which is safe to say we will, not being a downer just realistic looking at the division we play in) Cowher and Gruden will still be on the market NEXT offseason, and what Ross learned from this offseasons mistake he can fire Sparano and start his search the right way. Hopefully whatever spell Ireland has over him wears off and we can have a legit football coach who has been around the block once or twice and knows what he is doing and let them bring in "HIS PEOPLE". With the money Ross was throwing at Harbaugh its safe to say money won't be an issue with Ross when it comes to paying these type of guys. Title: Re: Brian Daboll to be named Dolphins offensive coordinator Post by: masterfins on January 22, 2011, 06:46:41 pm Just wondering, who's decision was it to hire Daboll? Sparano, Ross, or Ireland?? I'm hoping Daboll does well.
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