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Title: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: jtex316 on February 01, 2011, 11:54:41 am
Vote, Discuss, Rebutte.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: jtex316 on February 01, 2011, 11:56:51 am
I voted for Garo's botched play.

In the perfect season of 1972, there are only three vivid images of that entire season (from historical archives and film). They are:

1. Don Shula being lifted off the field after the Super Bowl
2. The final score on the Rose Bowl's scoreboard at 0:00
3. Garo's botched play.

He definitely made his mark on the 1972 season.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: Frimp on February 01, 2011, 11:59:40 am
I voted for Garo's botched play.

In the perfect season of 1972, there are only three vivid images of that entire season (from historical archives and film). They are:

1. Don Shula being lifted off the field after the Super Bowl
2. The final score on the Rose Bowl's scoreboard at 0:00
3. Garo's botched play.

He definitely made his mark on the 1972 season.

Agreed...and if he hit that field goal, the score would have been 17-0 instead of 14-7.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: JVides on February 01, 2011, 12:03:35 pm
Has to be the Yepremian play, though Griese being out was probably, in reality, the worst thing about the season.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: masterfins on February 01, 2011, 01:51:12 pm
^^^ I think Griese being out actually helped the team pull together as a unit.  The whole team knew they had to step up their game.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: Dave Gray on February 01, 2011, 02:56:47 pm
That FG play got my vote, but it almost didn't because it was so hilarious and it didn't cost them.  I think that you could also make a point for the Phins being underdogs, but I think a lot of that is set by betting trends, so I can't be too bent about it.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: jtex316 on February 01, 2011, 02:57:52 pm
Someone voted for "Post-1972 Media Scrutiny"... (hint, hint)


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: Brian Fein on February 01, 2011, 03:42:18 pm
^^^ I voted for that, but maybe I don't understand what you meant.

I picked that one as a basic middle finger to the haters who claim that "they had a soft schedule" (etc) and trying to down-play the accomplishment.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: Pappy13 on February 01, 2011, 04:28:54 pm
None of the above.  There isn't one.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: norad34 on February 07, 2011, 05:15:52 pm
I really have an issue with the scheduling flap.

As far as I know, no NFL team goes to league headquarters and pick their schedules.

In 1972, the AFC East was weak. That was not Miami's problem. The Colts Johnny Unitas had went to San Diego, New England was floundering around and the Bills, up until 1980, had always found imaginative ways to lose to Miami.

The same can be said about the Patriots run to perfection. The AFC East was atrocious during their 16-1 run. That was 8 wins right there for the Pats. If the Pats would have won the SB, I wonder if people would be talking about their strength of schedule.

In the playoffs, Cleveland had a solid team, Miami came from behind and beat them. Then Miami had to go into a rowdy Three Rivers Stadium and play the AFC Championship game against the Steelers.

You play and try to win the games which are on your schedule. The Dolphins did that in 1972.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: Landshark on February 08, 2011, 07:21:23 am
In the playoffs, Cleveland had a solid team, Miami came from behind and beat them. Then Miami had to go into a rowdy Three Rivers Stadium and play the AFC Championship game against the Steelers.

That's why I voted for some other moment.  Why on earth were the Dolphins in Pittsburgh when they had a better record??  They almost lost that game.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 08, 2011, 08:19:28 am
I really have an issue with the scheduling flap.

As far as I know, no NFL team goes to league headquarters and pick their schedules.


True.  But in 1972 there was no set formula as there is today.  Someone in league office decided to give the AFC Champions the weakest schedule.  While not a Dolphin employee, he may have been a Dolphin fan or it could have just been luck.  But it was by human design not a set formula that got the Dolphin's the weak schedule.

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The same can be said about the Patriots run to perfection. The AFC East was atrocious during their 16-1 run. That was 8 wins right there for the Pats. If the Pats would have won the SB, I wonder if people would be talking about their strength of schedule.


Seriously?  The 72 Dolphins did not play a single playoff team during the regular season.  And only two teams with winning records, both 8-6.

In the regular season of 2007, NE played and beat six playoff bound teams (Colts, Steelers, Chargers, Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins).  IIRC That was a record.  I don't recall if it tied or set a record, but beating 6 playoff bound teams in the regular season is the most anyone has ever done. Another team once played 7, but nobody has beaten more than 6 playoff bound teams in the regular season.

And the weak AFCE only accounted for 6 not 8 of NE's wins. 

If NE had won.  Nobody with the least bit of football knowledge would be knocking them on  SoS.   


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: shamrock on February 08, 2011, 12:14:02 pm
It was an entirely different NFL back then,and a different game.I remember watching that super bowl on tv and Garo's botched play was ridiculous to me even as a kid.And they kept showing it over and over and over.I think I was like 12 and I was truly embarassed for the guy.pathetic.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: norad34 on February 10, 2011, 03:07:05 pm
True.  But in 1972 there was no set formula as there is today.  Someone in league office decided to give the AFC Champions the weakest schedule.  While not a Dolphin employee, he may have been a Dolphin fan or it could have just been luck.  But it was by human design not a set formula that got the Dolphin's the weak schedule.

Seriously?  The 72 Dolphins did not play a single playoff team during the regular season.  And only two teams with winning records, both 8-6.

In the regular season of 2007, NE played and beat six playoff bound teams (Colts, Steelers, Chargers, Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins).  IIRC That was a record.  I don't recall if it tied or set a record, but beating 6 playoff bound teams in the regular season is the most anyone has ever done. Another team once played 7, but nobody has beaten more than 6 playoff bound teams in the regular season.

And the weak AFCE only accounted for 6 not 8 of NE's wins. 

If NE had won.  Nobody with the least bit of football knowledge would be knocking them on  SoS.   

Hoodie, I somewhat agree with a lot that you posted, but someone in the NFL office perhaps being a Dolphins fan and giving them an easy schedule? lol!

True, there was no set formula today like it was in 72. The NFL was just coming out of the merger two years earlier and the scheduling system wasn't really set. I don't think the scheduling system got straightened out until the mid 1990's.

For example, John Elway and Dan Marino only met twice in the regular season (1985 and 1998).

NFL Films has a documentary on the old scheduling system somewhere on You Tube. I think it was taken down.

But I don't think that the 72 Dolphins were the greatest team. I would have to say the 73 Dolphins were better. Overall, my pick is the 1984 49ers who beat Miami in the Super Bowl.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: Denver_Bronco on April 11, 2011, 03:59:26 am
I think the worst thing is hearing the Dolphin fan who wasn't even alive ,or out of diapers yet discussing an undefeated season like they actually witnessed it.


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: CF DolFan on April 11, 2011, 08:52:38 am
Yaaaayyy!!!  Denver is back!!! Where the heck have you been?


Title: Re: Worst Moment or Thing about the 1972 "Undefeated" Season?
Post by: BigDaddyFin on April 28, 2011, 02:28:54 am
Garo's botched FG, just because it's the only highlight they show of the game unless you are lucky and catch NFL films' superbowl VII broadcast.  There were so many other bright points in that game (Jake Scott's int's Bob Griese picking apart the Wash defense, Larry Csonka running over everyone several times, Manny Fernandez repeatedly in the Redskin backfield)

BUT NOOOOOOOOOO let's watch Garo bounce one off his own hand and then stand there while Mike Bass runs in for a touchdown.