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Chris "Drops" Chambers gets my vote for being the most un-reliable WR in Dolphins history. The Dolphins have had a totally shitty history of WRs - so don't let the fact that Chambers is in the top 5 in yardage fool you. He sucks.

Chambers.  Only because he had as much talent as any of the others and didn't do as much with it.  If you would have put McDuffie's heart in Chris Chambers chest, he would have had 10,000 receiving yards.

mcduffie.

^^ Why did you vote for Chambers and write McDuffie?  :-\

I am writing in Ted Ginn, Jr. and his entire family. 

Chambers for me as well.....all that talent and some of the poorest work ethic you can find!!!!!

I didn't go with other, because I like the idea of keeping it to the team leaders. Put me in the Chambers crowd. He would make an amazing catch only to drop two easy ones.

I would have to say Chambers.

He was never the same after he took that vicious hit in Denver.

so you guys would rather have oj mcduffie on your team than chris chambers, even though chambers put up those numbers getting thrown to by jay fiedler as the dolphins number 1 receiver and oj mcduffie put up worse numbers getting thrown to by dan marino, as the dolphins number 2 or 3 receiver?

^^^ I would

Yes, definately.  OJ was a class act.  Gave 110%.  Played hurt.  Never took a play off.  Always made the big catch in games.  Chambers regularly gave 90%.  Wouldn't lay out for a ball and often stepped out of bounds rather than tap his toes.  Disappeared in big games.

I was glad to see Chambers go and never missed him.  I was sad to see OJ go and still miss him.

^^This!!!!!

I liked Chambers but his inconsistancy killed us. Unfortunately he was the obvious choice on this list for me.

Keep in mind that you're voting for career Dolphins leaders in receiving yards here. I'm sure Ted Ginn Jr. isn't cracking the top 25 all-time.

I have to disagree here. Chambers always seemed to be going up in the air or laying out on a sideline. He made those types of catches. He would drop the routine ones though.

Wrong.  #22. 

Wow. Ted fucking Ginn is the 22nd all-time leader in Dolphins history in yards.

That's fucking sad.

Someone Google for me: Where is a guy like Orande Gadsden on this list?

^^^^ I don't think he was a team leader in yardage. He just made the tough big catches when you needed him to.

Ted did spend a few seasons in Miami so he has longevity that some others didn't. FYI Brandon Marshall is only 650 yards behind him after one season and is #43 so Ginn will be dropping a long way once we have some other receivers play as many games.

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He would go up for a ball and make a circus catch, but I never once saw him try to lay out on a sideline route and tap his toes.  He would always catch the ball in full stride and one foot would be out of bounds.  He must have done that at least a dozen times in his career.  Drove me nuts.

There is no chance that mcduffie is better than chambers. 

yards, chambers leads 5688 to 5074 (chambers also has 355 rushing yards compared to 49 for mcduffie)
tds, chambers leads 43 to 29
fumbles chambers leads 11 to 19
ypc - chambers

I guess mcduffie had 10 more receptions, so i guess that is a plus for him

I think your memory is tainted a little.

Maybe he didn't do it a lot, but I clearly remember Chris Chambers was the player that had me learn about the rule of keeping the ball tucked all the way through your motion, even if you are out of bounds. I screamed at the TV about that non-catch for a full quarter I bet. Maybe that has my mind tainted a bit.

I didn't say that McDuffie was better than Chambers, I said I'd rather have McDuffie than Chambers.

Chambers was a physical specimin.  His jumping ability made him play larger and faster than his size.  However he used about 90% of his ability.  He could have and should have been even better than he was.

McDuffie didn't have as much physical ability as Chambers, but he utilized it much better.  He gave 110% on every play.  He played hurt his last year and effectively cut short his career because he continued to play on a toe that he shouldn't have.  The doctors told him that he couldn't hurt the toe anymore by playing on it so he did and it cost him the rest of his career.  He recently won a lawsuit against the Dolphins because of it.  There's no question in my mind that McDuffie would have played several more years for the Dolphins and been extremely productive if the doctors would have treated his toe properly.  So while his numbers with the Dolphins aren't better than Chambers, they could have and should have been better if he was treated properly.

I've played enough sports myself to have seen guys with tremendous ability that didn't give a damn about the team and only cared about their own stats and I've also seen guys with less ability run through a brick wall for a coach.  Personally I'll take the 2nd guy every time and twice on Sunday's.

lol

Mcduffie was on the dolphins for more years than chambers, yet his numbers weren't better.  so basically mcduffie gave 110% (which is one of the dumbest fucking cliches there is) and chambers only gave 90%, but chambers was still a lot better than mcduffie. lol. would you rather have 110% of $1 or 90% of $2?

McDuffie started 12 fewer games than Chambers, so he actually caught more passes per start, and had more yardarge per start.  Chambers caught more TD's per start.  Production wise they were fairly close.

And like I said McDuffie's career was cut short by injury.  I would have loved to have seen McDuffie and Chambers on the field together.  McDuffie could have taught him a thing or 2.

mcduffie wasn't good enough to start, and that is a knock on chambers?  also, he probably didn't have more yardage per start, unless you want to add all the yardage that he accumulated in non starts and include it.  also, let's also gloss over the fact of dan marino vs. jay fiedler throwing the ball, and of course chambers 355 yards rushing.

Until Tepop posts the any/a stats for those two receivers, how could we possibly expect to know which one is better?

Chambers is a poor man's Randy Moss.  One one play he could make a one handed acrobat catch in which you go "how the fuck did he do that?" and then miss a catch an easy one any kid in pee wee could make cause he was being lazy piece of shit that makes you go, "why fuck did he do that?"  

Personally I have a lot more respect for guys like Welker, McDuffie and Carmelo than Moss and Chambers.  

I'm not knocking Chambers.  The fact is that McDuffie was hurt at the end of his career and he was playing behind Irving Fryer and Mark Ingram at the beginning of his career.  That's not a knock on McDuffie either.

Go for it.  It's gonna be darn close.  Not worth the effort in my humble opinion.

So lets gloss over the fact that Marino also had Irving Fryer, Keith Jackson, Mark Ingram, Oronde Gadsden and Tony Martin to throw the ball to besides OJ.  Chambers played with Gadsden 1 year and then with Marty Booker and Randy McMichael.  Chambers was the primary target for most of his career because there wasn't much else to choose from.  McDuffie had a lot of good competition for most of his career.  That evened things out.

Now lets look at playoff stats.  McDuffie has the following.

GMS  REC  Yards  AVG  TD's
10     50    603    12.1  1

That's an average of 5 catches a game for 60 yards in playoff games. Chambers has zip in a Dolphins uniform.  Perhaps you are right.  Perhaps I'm being too tough on Chambers especially when it comes to his performance in big games, he never played in one with the Dolphins.

You're not gonna convince me Tepop and based on the voting you're not gonna convince many here either.

Chambers never played in a playoff game in miami. lol at saying he is terrible because he has 0 playoff receptions. (in 5 games with sd in postseason, chambers had 24 rec, 407 yards (16.6 y/r)and  1 td.

Chambers being the only receiving threat, meant he got the best defensive players on him.  mcduffie was good enough to only start 16 games in 4 of his 8 seasons. 

mcduffie was the 25th pick of the draft, chambers was 52.  chambers is the better player, and mcduffie seems to be a fan favorite even he wasn't really very good.

Well that's great for San Diego, but it doesn't do much for Miami and since I'm only comparing McDuffie to Chambers as a Dolphin, it doesn't help him.  I'll grant you that Dolphins fans probably have a different opinion of both players which probably explains why you like Chambers more than McDuffie.

Chambers was only good enough to start 16 games in 3 of his 7 seasons with the Dolphins and 3 of 12 overall.

Which is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Now you got it.  Dolphins fans like McDuffie better.  You like Chambers better.  What's that say about you?

You're not fooling anyone Tepop.  You're not a Dolphins fan.

chambers started 16 in only 3 out of 6 full seasons he was here, and 15 in 2 others.

if you want to blame chambers for not having any postseason success and labeling him a choker who didn't show up in any big games, when he didn't play any postseason games for the dolphins is silly.

chambers was a much better receiver than mcduffie. that is the answer to the question posed in the op.  its great that you seen to have a thing for mcduffie, and if the question was which of these 5 receivers do you like least, then your answer of chambers would actually be correct.

I already admitted I was being too hard on him in that respect.  He never played in a big game for the Dolphins, so I'll never know how good or bad he could have been in big games for Miami.  McDuffie on the other hand played in 10 playoff games for the Dolphins and had a 118 yard game and a 154 yard game for them.
 
Actually it wasn't.  The question was who was the worst.  That can be interpreted in a lot of ways.

It's nice that you have a thing for Chambers and if the question was which of these 5 receivers played the best for San Diego, then my answer of Chambers would be correct as well.  It wouldn't be relative to the discussion though.

I liked Chris Chambers plenty at times.  He also drove me crazy at times.  That seems to be a pretty common theme among the voters and it influenced the choice.  Sorry.  Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.

Like Sunstroke said, If only we had ANY/A for WR's, that would end the discussion right now. :)

As with most of these "worst" polls what you choose to use as criteria skews how you vote.  When I picked the worst I thought about the players that surrounded them when they played, and which player I would rather have playing for the Fins tomorrow if they were starting out.  Therefore, I opt for OJ as the "worst" of the best.  I'm a bit surprised at all the hate for Chambers, IMO he was one of the few bright spots on the Fins the years he played for them.

Tepop,

What are the statistics on number of dropped balls by those two receivers, and what are the statistics on number of first downs gained?

I think the answers to those two questions will explain the preference for McDuffie over Chambers.

I couldn't find any statistic with regard to first down or drops. I did see that Mcduffie had 19 fumbles compared to Chambers 11 while starting almost a season less worth of games.

That's true.  It's also true that McDuffie had 415 receptions to Chambers' 405 in the same time frame, and that McDuffie had a higher yds/start average (65.05) than Chambers (63.20).

Oh, and McDuffie handled KR/PR duties for the vast majority of the games he played as a Dolphin, while Chambers returned kickoffs only, and even that was limited to his first season.  During the seasons where McDuffie returned 20 or more kicks or punts, he averaged 0.27 fumbles per game; during the seasons where he did not, he averaged 0.038 fumbles per game.  So that might have something to do with it.

the stat has no bearing on anything.  you are including non starts stats for both players and dividing them by the number of starts.

You mean like you just did for fumbles?

You chose to use the "starts" statistic (instead of "games") when it served your purposes.  If you want to use starts, fine.  But don't complain when I use it too.

For the record: the reason why I didn't use "starts" when comparing fumble averages is because McDuffie had 4 fumbles in a year where he had 0 starts (but 60 returns), which would give him a fumble/start average of infinity for that season.  That indicates a flaw to me.

It doesn't change things that much.

Here are the stats for starts ONLY while with the Dolphins.

Player     Starts REC YARDS TDS REC/St YDS/St TDS/St
---------  ------ --- ----- --- ------ ------ ------
McDuffie       78 347 4,302  26   4.45  55.15   0.33
Chambers       90 371 5,147  39   4.12  57.19   0.43


McDuffie fumbled 6 times while receiving the ball and Chambers fumbled 5 times.  13 of McDuffie's fumbles came on Kick or Punt returns and 5 of Chambers fumbles came on runs or kick returns.

Another reciever.  It has to be Ted Ginn and or Yatil Green.   Of the guys on that list, even Chambers still had a pro-bowl year.   

"Pick the worst one out of this sorry bunch." Soooooo subjective. If you wanted an answer that was based on- and soley on-  number of yards and yards per catch, then you can take OJ. For many of us, picking the "worst" is about more than getting yours when you're the only option on the team. It's also about more than making one great catch negated by several misses, or what you did when you went to another team. If Chambers was so good, why did Miami trade him away? Why did the Chargers cut him? As an analogy, I will take Reggie Miller at guard ahead of Allen Iverson any day of the week. Stats aren't everything. Same applies here. Any player who "takes time off," or only gives 90% is IMO "WORSE" by definition than someone with similar stats who gives his all. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard! -EK