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Either retire or serve a 100 game suspension.  http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?w=1airi&storyId=6310125&i=TOP&topslot=1 (http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?w=1airi&storyId=6310125&i=TOP&topslot=1)

What a sad ending to a pretty good career. One would have thought he would have learned after the first suspension.

Best right handed hitter in MLB the past 30+ years. But he was a cheater and it is all for nothing.

Pujols and A-Rod may disagree, but he was amazing. If history is any indication, he can kiss the Hall goodbye. How hard is it to not get caught taking steroids? Moron.

As a pure right handed hitter Manny is in a class above AROD and Puljos. Those 2 are power hitters which isn't a knock on them. But Manny was in a different class when it came to swinging the stick. Couldn't go righty-righty match up with Manny and gain an edge. With the other 2 you can.

You don't watch the National League much do you?  Pujols is not a pure power hitter.

I watch the national league just pleanty. Nobody is knocking Puljos, but as a pure right handed hitter Manny in his prime was better. Sorry, its the truth!

In your opinion, but a lot of people differ with you.

In their first ten years of play, Pujols had over 30 hr's and 100 rbi's every year and Manny didn't. Also in the same timeframe Puljos never had below a .300BA and hit for over .350 twice compared to Manny doing it once.
But yeah Manny is a much better hitter all around

AROD with one less season has more hr's and rbi's and his BA, SLG and OB are just behind Manny's. Not enough of a difference to justify being "on another level hitting"

We have not even touched that ManRam has now been popped twice for illegal substances and if ARoD along with many others were taking them it is hard to imagine Manny wasnt too.

It's NOT about the numbers and the drugs, those are 2 different debates. Your missing the entire point of this debate. But whatever. Believe what ya want

And they are allowed. It's a free country.

But all of the baseball insiders (ie Onley, Gammons, Verducci) agree with me. So I am in good company!

Yeah, how dare you let facts get in the way. ::)

bringing up facts about a totally different debate and a totally off topic point. 

Whatever, believe what ya want. Your knowledge of baseball is about the same as football. Like when ya all claimed Jason Allen was a "good" or "average" CB! lol lol

Yeah, whatever.  You are the one bringing up Jason Allen in a baseball thread, rather than find facts and links to support your opinion.  In the words of the immortal Maine, who has forgotten more about baseball than you will ever know:  Thanks for playing.

That doesn't even make any sense.

I gave you facts, read a column by Buster, Gammons, Verducci. They all agree with my statement. You just choose to ignore the facts I present and live in your fantasy land. Plus you are debating a totally different issue than the one I presented.  The deabte YOU presented you are right, but that isn't the debate I presented and was talking about.

You can disagree if you want. You are wrong, but are you entitled to disagree and believe the wrong opinion.

Really? What proof or facts do you proffer up to back your claims? Was Manny that much more feared than Pujols? The game of baseball is based the most on stats than any other sport in this country. Stats are the primary means that members make it into the HOF.
So without the numbers, how does Manny hold a level above Pujols as a hitter?

I have no dog in the fight, but I have to comment more on your debating tactics. All baseball insiders agree with you? I'm sorry but I guarantee that they don't. They may all agree Manny is one of the best, but you are speaking as if him being the best is fact and it just isn't so.

^^^ Thanks... I've heard Gammons and Olney both refer to Manny as "one of the best RH hitters...," but not "the best RH hitter..." as well.

Not that I would ever contest ANYTHING that MikeO says, because everyone knows that the moment something comes out of his mouth/keyboard, it becomes empirical truth...stats be damned.

I would like to add 2 things:

1) He may be the best RHH of the past 30 years, but damn if he didn't make it look the easiest.

2) Only MLB player to ever test positive twice, and he wasn't named on the Mitchell Report.

Because Mitchell collects a paycheck from the Red Sox. His report while true, also showed lots of bias

So let me recap, MikeO listens to a few sports reporters overhype the story of the day for ratings and MikeO repeats it as gospel.  The knowledgable who aren't sucked in to the hype correct him with facts and he gets bent out of shape that anyone could possible have an opinion other than his.  Just another day on the TDMMC board.

MikeO just so you don't think I am totally attacking you, you do occasionally make a good point, I read one earlier.

hate to break it to ya, I had this opinion a lot longer than a week ago!! Just sayin

And the facts presented were arguing a debate I didn't bring up!!! Nobody is knocking Arod or Puljos and their numbers or their run producing stats. But that wasn't the debate I brought up!!!  ::)

So you didn't say this...

I think that's what they were debating.

This isnt' a stats debate as I stated from the forefront. That's the fact you keep overlooking. Being the best right handed hitter the past 30 years isn't as simple as who has the best numbers. It goes beyond that. I have tried to explain it over and over but you fail keep getting upset over something I never said nor am I debating.

So have fun in your "fantasy world"....but your NOT talking about the topic I brought up.  Barry Bonds has the best numbers of any left handed hitter the past 30 years, that doesn't make him the best left handed hitter though!  It goes beyond numbers.

Whatever, Im done trying to put this square peg in the round hole with some of you. Believe what you want. Live in whatever reality you create in your own head

No just saying something with out a shred of evidence to back up your claims means nothing. I have heard him called one of the best RH hitters, but no one has made the claim you have that he is the best for the last three decades.
Baseball is all about numbers. How many players are on the bubble of getting into Cooperstown because that do not have "automatic" HOF numbers? Once players achieve certain statistical milestones they are considered truly great and are pretty much a lock. ARod and Pujols are going into the HoF and have been MVP's and you are saying Manny is a level above both of them with out nothing but your words to back your claims.
So step up and explain how not counting statistics that Manny is the greatest RH hitter in the last 30 years. Is that so much to ask?

Thanks for setting me straight, now I understand.

A) It is your opinion, which is perfectly fine.

B) Facts and Statistics have nothing to do with your opinion on this matter, which is also perfectly fine.

Hell, earlier you said it was a fact now it is opinion. Which is it?

I believe it's been well established that MikeO's opinions are, by that very virtue, facts.

^^^ Nah, MikeO thinks I'm the only one who feels that way, and anyone else who expresses similar sentiment is obviously just a tool of the Sunstroke propaganda machine.

Hello Kettle......this is Pot......yeah ummm by the way......You're Black!!!!!!  ;)

All Hail Stroke..... :D

Typical message board behavior, can't argue the facts presented, so you resort to namecalling.

Typical 12 year old mentality around here by a few.

^^^umm you haven't yet provided any facts to support your claim, we're waiting....

I did numerous times. Im done repeating myself. Go back sort through all the BS namecalling and nonsense posts others have put up and read  what I said on the actual topic at hand.

What facts? You stated an opinion not even shared by the majority of sportswriters or analysts. You are putting him a level above future hall of famers who have great careers and stats.
You said it is beyond stats, so exactly what puts him above any right handed batter in the last 30 years?

His ability to push a traveling secretary to the ground?

I don't think Pujols could do that...