The Dolphins Make Me Cry.com - Forums

Will the football strike affect this years inductees to the TDMMC Ring of Dishonor??

We have had the next inductee ready for a while.   We just slack ass here and don't do what we're supposed to.  I'll talk to my brother again.  In short, no, it shouldn't.  The driving factor for ROD nominations is lazyness.

^^^ And knowing is half the battle.

Who would you nominate?....Saban..for being the scumbag we all know and love to hate....or how about ANYONE involved in the 2007 season?

Saban
Parcells
Tight end Eric Green

Saban

Saban over Wannstedt?

Really?

Brian,

Who is the 2nd most successful coach in Miami Dolphins history?  Consider your answer carefully.

I would also the fact that of all the Miami coaches, only one was a straight-up liar.  That earns Saban bonus points.

Did you deduct a couple of points for facial hair run amok?

Spider,
While I respect your stance on win/loss record, I dispute the effect on the Stache's reign of terror.  Wanny inherited an amazing defense, built by his mentor and friend, and left in his lap.  He was never able to take that team to the next level, and did nothing in the mean time to set up the franchise for prolonged success.  His drafting was laughable (Wade Smith, Eddie Moore, Jamar Fletcher, et al), which contributed to putting the franchise into the tailspin we are currently "enjoying."

So, while I appreciate your overall distaste for a lying asshole bitch who should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell for eternity, I feel that Wanny's negative effects cast upon the franchise are far more long-lasting and poisonous to the team (in the long term) than that of Satan...err....Saban.

- I disagree that Wanny took the team to the next level.  He took MIA exactly one step further than Jimmy: from perpetual wild-card to back-to-back division champs.
- Wanny's drafting (Carey, Bell, Chambers) was better than Saban's (Brown, Crowder, J.Allen)... with worse picks, mind you.  In fact, next year we are likely to have more Wanny draftees on the team than Saban draftees!
- Wanny traded for a RB that led the league in rushing yards.  Saban traded for Daunte Culpepper.
- And ultimately, when it comes to personnel decisions: Saban turned away Drew Brees and passed on Aaron Rodgers (not that I necessarily disagreed with those decisions at the time they were made, but Facts Is Facts, as they say).

Wanny did more damage to the franchise?  Sorry, I don't see it.

I would be happy with a Wanny or a $aban induction. Although I do find myself with a lot more resentment towards $aban these days.

Spider Dan makes convincing arguments.

However, Wanny was maligned by fans.  People wanted him gone when he was here.

Saban left, after a diatribe of lies and deceit, and people were mad that he was gone.

That's gotta say SOMETHING.

Does the same apply?

^^ I disagree with that statement.

Fans were clamoring for JJ during the Shula era.  They were saying bad things about Shula because they had delusions of grandeur that Jimmy could bring the Fins to the promised land, maybe multiple times.  With a guy like that available and interested, who wouldn't poo-poo their hall of fame octogenarian in hopes of new blood and Lombardi trophies?

Besides, I think you'd agree that if anyone used the word "hall of fame" to describe Dave Wannstedt, you'd likely laugh in their face.  The winningest coach in NFL history, with multiple super bowls under his belt (as a head coach), gets a free pass from me for a few sub-standard seasons at the end of his illustrious career.

^^ I think that was his point.  Just because you're maligned by the fans and they are glad you're gone when you are gone, it doesn't necessarily mean you did a poor job while you were there.

Shula coached 33 years, with a 0.678 win percentage, 6 conference championships and 3 league titles
Wannstedt coached 11 years, to a 0.485 percentage, and no trophies.

You're going to compare these two guys?

I'm not gonna compare them, no.  Check with Spider Dan :)

Brian, you say that Wanny was pushed out the door, while Saban ran out the door, and conclude that Wanny is somehow worse than Saban as a result.
The greatest coach in our history (if not NFL history) was also pushed out the door.
Your point does not stand up to historical scrutiny.

P.S. What do Shula's Colts years and Wanny's Bears years have to do with the Dolphins?

Coaches are not defined by one incident, Spider.  And Brian didn't say that it was the sole reason.

Wanny's exit was one of many indications that he was not a good coach. 
Shula's exit was one unfortunate blemish on an otherwise legendary career...a great coach who just wasn't the right guy to bring a team back for rebuilding.

Thank you, Dave.

Furthermore, I didn't say anything about being pushed out the door.  My comment was directed toward the general fan sentiment upon departure.

Wannstedt was probably retained about 1.5 seasons longer than he should have been.  When he left, the general population response was "THANK GOODNESS HE'S GONE"

For Saban, the response was the opposite.  It was similar to when Ricky "retired": rage, fury, betrayal, aggravation, and general distaste for the way it went down.  Fans, for the most part, were happy with him and didn't want him to leave.

Surely you can see the difference here.

I disagree with your assessment that fans were happy with Saban.  It was more of being upset about his blatant lying, after all his rhetoric about integrity and accountability and so on.

I was ready to show him the door after the Christmas game vs the Jets when Harrington had rallied the Dolphins back in the first half, and to start the second half, he benches Harrington for Lemon. He didn't even tell the team at halftime of the QB change. You could tell on TV because Joey headed for the field and Saban called him back. You could see Joey's body language. He was saying WTF??? Lemon comes in, and the Jets are able to expand their lead and win. To tell you the truth, I hated him from that point on, and was kind of glad when he left.

I say in honor of the upcoming season that only replacement players from the 1987 season should be eligible....I nominate Kyle Mackey. 

^^ Hush your mouth!  Kyle Mackey was awesome!

All talk about Wanny and Saban. 

What about the Douche that orchestrated what seems to be the drowning moment in Dolphins History.

aye  Cam CAMORON

1-15  ::)
John Beck  ::)
Ted Ginn ::)
Trent Green ::)
Randy Mueller ::)

Dude, Ted Ginn would have opened Marshall up and we would have seen the weapon he is. I'm STILL pissed about getting rid of Ginn.

I vote for Mike-O  ;D

Unless we go 4 wide Ginn isn't getting on the field. I'll take Hartline over Ginn any day of the week and TWICE on Sundays.

I agree with you Frimp.  Problem is Ginn can't catch in coverage.  I wish we still had his speed on the return game and I wish we still had a guy who could attract safety attention.  Could you imagine how open Marshall would be if the safeties had to watch Ginn streaking deep down the center of the field?  That's what makes Marshall dangerous - catching the ball in the open field.

Ginn streaking down the center of the field doesn't do anything to open up the offense unless the defense actually believes that the pass will be thrown his way accurately and that he would catch it. It happened exactly once I believe in his 3 years in Miami. That doesn't exactly scare defenses in the least.

I don't think Ginn was a "bad" player, he just wasn't worth a first round pick, and wasn't worth the money to keep him.  I like him as a kick returner and third down receiver.

If you're going to pick a coach, You have to pick Jimmy and here's why.

Not only did he jilt the dolphins and turn a contender into shit in '99, he gave us Wannstedt who blew 2002 out his ass and then we hired that walking talking pile of pigshit Saban on Jimmy's recommendation.  If you're going to put a coach on there, yeah Saban was bad, but without Jimmy, Saban never comes to Miami. 

Big Daddy Fin just beat me to the punch. I was wondering when anyone here was goint to mention JJ.

-Jimmy Johnson came into Miami strutting around like he was the secong coming. He bashed Shula every which way he could in a very disprespectful way which I am sure ruffled some feathers with in the team......

-He brought in 4 gems in four whole years, so did a lot of teams. Most of his other picks were busts.

-He built up the defense but destroyed the offence. We had a God awful receiving group when Jimmy was here. He did nothing to give Marino weapons.The running game was worse off then when with Shula which is amazing since Jimmy was all about running the ball... When running didnt work for three quarters he would  then call on Marino after bashing him all week long to the media to pull them out.

-Kippy Brown said Jimmy was unbearable to be around when with the Dolphins. If they lost you couldnt speak to him and when they won it was never good enough. Kippy, said that Jimmy once said" We beat the bills, big deal. I won two super bowls".... Not exactly team building material if you ask me.

-Marino was the face of the Dolphins and jimmy couldnt handle that since he is such an egomaniac. He bashed Marino any way he could to the media. If Marino broke a record or pulled a game out of his ass  Jimmy would just shrug his shoulders. If Marino had an average game then he would blast him with thinnly veiled attacks.

-He NEVER EVER accepted that he messed up. He would either blame Shula, Marino, his mothers passing, injuries, or his bad hair, or blah blah blah........ After their first year going 8-8 Jimmy had the balls to stand up there and say "THIS ISNT MY TEAM". He basically said this team sucks and I didnt put it together. Not exactly team building materal if you ask me. After the second season when they went 9-7 Jimmy blamed injuries. The third season it was burn out and his mom died. The fourth season he just ran out of town since he couldnt fool the fans anymore.

I admit that I was a jimmy fan when he came into town. I wanted him here but he was a huge mistake in hind sight.... He brought us a great defense but he also tore down the offense to nothing. He brought a lot of negativity to the team by openly bashing the dolphins past, a former coach, current players, and their leader in Marino. He basically castrated his star player who was the Dolphins leader.

All in all Shula's team in his final fours years was better that Johnsons Dolphins in his four years.

we were all Jimmy fans when he came here.  And for awhile it looked like he was going to do it.  He drafted well defensively and then we actually got decent production from our running back the first year. 

However, he failed to draft anything in terms of a reciever or a long term solution at running back.  He then handcuffed Marino by taking away the ability to audible at the line of scrimmage. 

He also failed to get anything even resembling an offensive coordinator.  Why they had Kippy Brown calling plays is still totally beyond me. 

He then retired and unretired in the 98 offseason.  I literally watched the entire team quit on him at the end of the 99 season which means he pissed off the whole locker room and that's tough to do in the NFL.  We lose in the playoffs to Jacksonville after Dan's Last Stand in Seattle and the only thing he has to say for himself is "I guess I worked the players too hard." 

He brings in Wannstedt who not only wrecked two seasons as mentioned above but also ran Dan Marino out of town.  Not let him retire, not Dan has your arm/back/neck healed at all, ran him right the hell out of town.  He brings in the inexcusably crappy Ray Lucas and spends the next 4 years trying to replace Tim Ruddy.  Wannstedt then passes on Drew Brees in 2001.  Wannstedt also gives us Cris "he can't kick it that far/Little Crissy Fumble Face" Carter who cost us at least two games in 2002. 

After the Wannstedt era plays itself out, we dump Jim Bates for Nick Saban on the recommendation of Jimmy Johnson.  Saban then passes on Drew Brees for Daunte "wasn't that good to begin with" Culpepper.  He also takes over the play calling at the most random times during games, resulting in a number of inexplicable losses in 2006.  He jilts the team, we get Cam Cameron, about 30 guys end up on IR that year.  We go 1-15.  If anybody hamstrung this franchise for years at a time, it was Jimmy Johnson.

I remember thinking the fins were improving every year with JJ but it was all hype and hope on our part. To the die hard Miami fan JJ was a genius who couldnt fail. He had a master four year plan that couldnt miss. Boy were we wrong. His first season the fins ended up 8-8 and after his fourth year they finished 9-7 so in essance no real improvement record wise. In the playoffs the fins looked like pretenders as we they were HUMILIATED three years in a row. The fins looked like a big joke on national TV while all of us down here were drinking the JJ kool aid.

Bottom line is the Dolphins were worse off after JJ left and then had the nerve to insert Wanny as the new head coach. This guy more than anybody deserves to be in the Hall of Shame.