The Dolphins Make Me Cry.com - Forums

TDMMC Forums => Around the NFL => Topic started by: Frimp on April 22, 2011, 12:22:21 am



Title: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: Frimp on April 22, 2011, 12:22:21 am
Maybe someone can make this a poll, but I want to know the general thoughts of this board.

How will the 2011 season take place?

A/ Canceled
B/ As usual
C/ Several games canceled
D/ Scabs
E/ Scabs for part of the season
F/ As usual, minus the preseason games
G/ Anything I missed, but I think I covered it pretty well. If you pick G, please explain why. Thank you.


Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: Frimp on April 22, 2011, 12:22:59 am
B.

I think the season will happen as usual.


Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: MikeO on April 22, 2011, 06:28:32 am
season will be played in full under last years 2010 deal, and they will work on a new deal in the meantime.

I wouldn't be shocked if that is announced shortly to be honest. So some mini-camps can take place. Owners aren't going to sell any tickets and don't want to look like the bad guys when push comes to shove of being the group fo 32 elderly men that is denying the American Public of their sport.


Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: Pappy13 on April 22, 2011, 09:25:16 am
C.  Several games cancelled.


Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: Pappy13 on April 22, 2011, 09:30:02 am
season will be played in full under last years 2010 deal, and they will work on a new deal in the meantime.
I think this line of thinking is the reason that several games will be cancelled. Both sides aren't really working hard at a solution because they both believe the other side will cave once push comes to shove, but then push will come to shove and neither side will budge and they'll realize how serious this is when games start being cancelled and then they'll reach an agreement.


Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: Phishfan on April 22, 2011, 09:33:51 am
My prediction all along has been C. I'm not changing it now.


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: Brian Fein on April 22, 2011, 10:03:10 am
Added a poll and made the subject more descriptive.

Good topic, Frimp.


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: bsfins on April 22, 2011, 11:41:32 am
I think it will be shorten,in some manner, sort of because as Pappy mentioned....I feel even if they suddenly say we're under 2010's rules,we've still got to have a free agency period,and coaches will need/want/request 2-4 weeks for like a training camp.I feel if it doesn't kick in before mid July,the season will atleast get trimmed by 1-2 games...I voted C,but I think it will be between no preseason,and a couple of games...


Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: MikeO on April 22, 2011, 05:56:56 pm
I think this line of thinking is the reason that several games will be cancelled. Both sides aren't really working hard at a solution because they both believe the other side will cave once push comes to shove, but then push will come to shove and neither side will budge and they'll realize how serious this is when games start being cancelled and then they'll reach an agreement.

Players have little to lose though, owners will come off with a huge black eye and lose the PR battle (which they already have but it will get  100X worse as the season nears).

Plus the TV networks will be all over the owners to end this, they don't want to have to give back add money to major sponsors.  All the pressure is on the owners, not the players. Players can run out the clock here. Thats why I think both sides will agree to play under 2010 structure and work something out in the meantime


Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: Pappy13 on April 25, 2011, 10:31:58 am
Players have little to lose though, owners will come off with a huge black eye and lose the PR battle (which they already have but it will get  100X worse as the season nears).
Which is exactly why there is no reason for them to cave prior to the season. They have already taken a PR hit and they've already probably started to lose revenue by taking a hit on ticket sales. They won't give in until there's a ruling in the courts that really hurts them badly.

The players haven't started to feel the heat yet and they won't until they can't pay for something, but that time seems to be coming soon as some are already thinking about taking out high interest loans. Soon as that happens there's gonna be a lot of bickering between the elite players and the ones who are just cashing a paycheck. The owners are all in the same boat. The players have several different boats. Some are large yachts, some are little schooners and some are little dinghies. The question is whether or not the ones in the yachts are gonna just stand by while the ones in the dinghies sink.


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: CF DolFan on April 25, 2011, 12:58:33 pm
Unlike the players, these owners didn't get rich off of football they were rich prior to obtainng the clubs. The players are going to drop as they certainly don't want to have to deleiver pizza to pay the power bill ... if you know what I mean.


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: Dave Gray on April 25, 2011, 04:52:54 pm
I picked OTHER - I think we will miss part of the preseason.


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: Phishfan on April 25, 2011, 04:58:51 pm
I learned something since I voted for a shortened season. When the NFL put their schedule together they accounted for a way to miss the first three weeks and still not shorten the season. Based on that, my prediction might be wrong now.


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: fyo on April 25, 2011, 05:19:55 pm
When the NFL put their schedule together they accounted for a way to miss the first three weeks and still not shorten the season.

?


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: Phishfan on April 25, 2011, 05:55:30 pm
^^^ I missed it other than seeing it run across the screen. Apparently they factored in things such as having those early season opponents having bye weeks in common, taking out the week before the SB, etc. Apparently they took the time to plan it out so it would work.


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: Frimp on April 25, 2011, 06:17:22 pm
The lockout has been ordered to be lifted...but the owners can still appeal.


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: fyo on April 25, 2011, 06:28:37 pm
^^^ I missed it other than seeing it run across the screen. Apparently they factored in things such as having those early season opponents having bye weeks in common, taking out the week before the SB, etc. Apparently they took the time to plan it out so it would work.

Before the ruling on the lockout injunction came down, I was going to say that "time" (in and of itself) isn't what's needed to solve this. The two sides could have another couple of YEARS of forced mediation or any other type of negotiation and it wouldn't make a difference... if it weren't for the fact that the season starts and both sides would start losing serious money. Adding 3 weeks of padding just means 3 more weeks of thumb-twiddling.

Without details of the ruling, I have no idea how hard the judge came down on the league. If it basically boils down to an "irreparable  harm" argument with the judge taking the "safe" path, nothing has changed and we'll have to wait for the appeal.


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: fyo on April 25, 2011, 06:32:59 pm
The lockout has been ordered lifted and the judge declined to stay the decision pending appeal. That last part is a biggie. How quickly can the league even be heard before the appellate court? Until such a time (and a favorable decision from the court), the league is *forced* to open for business. Now.


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: MikeO on April 25, 2011, 06:37:14 pm
^^^ I missed it other than seeing it run across the screen. Apparently they factored in things such as having those early season opponents having bye weeks in common, taking out the week before the SB, etc. Apparently they took the time to plan it out so it would work.

Week 3, every matchup on the schedule, both teams playing have the same bye weeks. (Example, Miami plays Cleveland Week 3, they both have the same bye week thsi eyar) And the NFL can remove the week before the Super Bowl and push the SB back 1 week since they have the hotle rooms stuff in place to do so, and you make up Weeks 1 and 2 at the END of the season after Week 17. And only push the Super Bowl back 1 week and still have a season.

So, the NFL in a month could announce the first 3 weeks are postponed, and still play a full 16 game season and playoffs, move the Super Bowl back a week and have a full season.

It woudl actually HELP the Dolphins. That means our final 3 games of the year would be at home, and 2 of which vs the Jets and Pats.  So we could make up ground big-time late. Final 3 games would be Jets, Pats, Houston all at home to end the season


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: masterfins on April 25, 2011, 07:54:43 pm
^^^ Why would the Dolphins have to make up ground when they stay in first place the entire season???


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: Phishfan on April 26, 2011, 09:50:39 am
It woudl actually HELP the Dolphins. That means our final 3 games of the year would be at home, and 2 of which vs the Jets and Pats.  So we could make up ground big-time late. Final 3 games would be Jets, Pats, Houston all at home to end the season

I hate to point this out, but you are the one that is so emphatic about playing those games in the heat. Now you say playing them at home in December would help. Which way do you want it?


Title: Re: What do you think will happen for the 2011 season?
Post by: MikeO on April 26, 2011, 04:45:25 pm
I hate to point this out, but you are the one that is so emphatic about playing those games in the heat. Now you say playing them at home in December would help. Which way do you want it?

We aren't playing them in the heat. One is at night the other at 4pm!   ::)