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Going to suck this year.. because of all the lockout bs.

Oh man, the chants of "WE WANT FOOTBALL" as Goodell takes the stage is choking me up inside...just love it!

Congratulations, Carolina Panthers... You now have two first round QBs who won't ever become quality NFL starters.

No surprise so far.

So glad the Dolphins don't even get to sniff Cam. 

Who is going to be the first trade down?

Wow I thought they were going with a CB

Please, God...let Patrick Peterson slide to #7. I'm beggin' ya here!

Thank you Buffalo.  I don't know how I could cope if another Mizzou QB went to a division rival.

Would be shocked if ARI doesn't take Gabbert here.

^^^ Agree...and Cleveland got their ace CB last year with Haden. Surely they wouldn't break my heart by taking Peterson at #6,

Ya Stroke...I think your set up for that pick you want.

Ouch...sorry Stroke.

Doesn't surprise me a bit.

&^%* me sideways...

Browns got a nice haul in their trade with Atlanta...

Jeez man...the Browns raped them.

Falcons just got significantly better.

lmao.. historic

+1

Hey Stroke Prince to SF?

I missed the details, how much did it cost them?

Wow

falcons 1,2 and 4 this year and 1 and 4 next year.

OUCHIE!!!!

You happy Stroke??

I think it's a good pick.

Wow!  That's a shocker.  Glad MIA doesn't get to sniff Locker too.

Wow is right. I thought they were going with Farley

I'm OK with Aldon Smith, though I'd have gone with Quinn or Amukamara if I were making the pick. We do need an outside pass rusher, and he seems to fit that role.

Still completely unamused about Arizona taking my corner though.

Stunned that Locker got taken so early.

I would be happy will Prince, but Patrick is better

Could Gabbert slide all the way to #15?

Anyone but Mallet.  Well, I really don't want Gabbert to be the sacrificial lamb.

I don't know how I feel about that.  I'm not impressed with him and think he's overrated...I could be wrong though.  

^ and you have watched how many games he played in?

funny because Mallett is the pick I want.

I wanted "my corner" last year, but Cleveland took Joe Haden before SF could get to him.

Now Peterson goes elsewhere...crap. Who's &%^$ do I have to @%#$ to get a damned shutdown corner here?

Not going to lie...not many. That's why I say I could be wrong. I've watched some film on him and wasn't impressed.  

no surprise here

Hate to see Dallas make a sensible pick...but they did with Tyron Smith.

Blaine's going to Washington.

Probably but who knows

If they don't take him, the Vikings will.

I really hope we can trade down. Im not super high on Pouncey. No way we take a RB. I don't see any instant upgrades for our offense. Trade down, take Mallett. Then in Rd 2 find a RB or Guard or something

No problem with a trade down, if we can get good value. I'm not even talking about Cleveland Browns-raping-Atlanta type of value, just more quality bricks to build with...

ya I hope so...predicted it in another thread.

Im not a huge Gabbert guy, but good move by Jax moving up and addressing the QB position.

I predicted a trade down as well, but had Locker being the QB we ended up with. Tennessee shot that thin branch call down in a hurry.

Gabbert just went to Jacksonville...

So what did that cost Jax?

I still think Mallett is the best QB of the bunch, if he's there at 15, damn I hope we pull the trigger if we dont' trade down

What was the trade?

I think so too...he has gotten a bad rap from the media.

swapped 1st rounders and got a 2nd rounder I believe.

Prince to Houston to shore up the secondary?

Mallet has a bad rap but you believe everything they say about Gabbert?

Gabbert comes from more of a spread offense and that scares me

This

Sam Bradford says hello

JJ Watts the NFL Network is sayin

Mallet to Minni?

^^^Schefter is reporting McNabb to Minny is a done deal once FA starts. So, I don't see Minny taking a QB. But who knows

Holy crap!

WOW...Minnesota jumps on Christian Ponder.

They went QB, but not Mallett!!! WOW!!!!

Run on QB's. Gotta have one in this league. No dobut it!!

WOWSERS

Maaaan.  That's crazy.

Didn't see that coming.  If Minni and Detroit are/were willing to trade down and couldn't.......Miami better to ready to pick.

Can Andrew Luck declare like right now? Seriously, he screwed up by not coming out. Rookie Wage scale next year probably. Luck would have gone #1 this year....

DO we go with Farley if he is left or Prince??

Ponder is a Rick Spielman draft pick......nuff said. NOW I understand!!

Whichever one the Rams don't take, or the Lions.

If the Rams don't take Prince, the Dolphins better.

WOW Suh and Farley together

we can't do defense under any circumstance

Vanden Bosh as well

Detroit's line will be stellar for a long time.

I would agree

OK, everyone else who's needed a QB has picked one. If we don't take Mallet, it's just plain outright stupid.

Come on Prince ;)

I agree with the "offense is primary need" sentiment, but I just had a droolworthy daydream moment of thinking about Prince and Vontae locking down the outside that made me question my offensive conviction.

I tend to agree. Im not looking for a boy scout or an alter boy, I want a QB. And his off the field stuff isn't Brandon Marshall red flag level stuff. Or Mike Vick. or Big Ben type of stuff.

We have to...who the hell are we going to get, Stanzi?  No thank you.

Preach on brotha

We can't score any friggin points. We have no 2nd round pick. If we don't upgrade one piece of offense in the next 20 min, we are doomed!

looks like Quinn to St.Louis

That is if we can get no one in the future free agents and trades

Free agency and trades will be dead with this lockout this year. Unless we are totally punting next year and entering the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.  Ross can't sell this fanbase on another 2 or 3 win season. Going with Henne/Thigpen in the AFC East that is very real possibilty

DRAFT OFFENSE! Let's try to build it up now

It's Mike Pouncy.

I can live with that

No problem with Pouncey...we need more beef on the O-line for sure.

Carey, Jerry, CENTER, Pouncy, Long

O-line looks promising. Not sure who are center will be, maybe Incognito

Boooooorrrrrriiiiiiinnnnnnngg gggg!!!!

That figures. Miami builds a great line and have no one to put behind it.

WINNING!!!!

blah

meh

And I'm the negative one.  ::)

Im the only one who likes the pick! ha

Figures...oh well its not a bad pick.  

Big man's got some energy...I like that.

Jake Long-Mike Pouncey. Yeah, Miami can run behind that.

Which scares me even more.

At least we'll have great protection for our 3 and outs.

We gotta go TE or RB in Rd 3

Maybe they plan to put them all on the punt team so that we won't have any more punts blocked.  Makes sense.   ::)

Not exactly what I thought the Skins were going for

There are picks I would have liked better and there are picks I would have liked less.

Pats take an OT in Nate Solder... A little surprised, but I stopped questioning the Patsies' draft picks years ago. No one drafts like the Patriots, as sad as that makes me to say it.

I agree.  But the thought of having a sick secondary once again gave me butterflies.  :-\

The guy is a mountain and he can catch the ball

They have actually missed a lot on recent picks. They stockpile picks well, but they haven't hit too many home runs

Hope Mark Ingram packed a suitcase. He will be back tomorrow for Rd 2 maybe.

Don't see teams taking many RB's in Rd 1 anymore. No value there unless its a very special player. Ingram isn't. He only carried about 14 times a game in Alabama I believe.

Better hope New Orleans or Pats take him tonight or else Rd 2 he will be there

Sorry I'm a little late to the party.  I like the Pouncey pick as well.  Our interior line just got ten times better.  As for Cleveland robbing Atlanta blind, all I can say is this:  If Atlanta doesn't get it done in the next 3-4 years, it aint getting done.

^^ Ryan, Turner, White, Jones, Gonzalez.......they got a big play offense!! If their defense can keep teams under 20 they will be tough to beat.

THey are building it with offense, they way it needs to be done in the NFL in this day of age.

But they pretty much mortgaged their future to get Julio Jones.   It's only a matter of time before the Piper comes to collect.

I would not say mortgaged the future, but he dod not come cheap for sure

GOOD!! They are going for it!!! Mortgage their future, such a silly statment. If they win a Super Bowl (which they might now) who cares!! They were the #1 seed in the NFC last year and just got more explosive on offense. They have a young QB entering his prime. They have a lethal 1-2 punch at WR and a workhorse RB.

GO FOR IT!! Try to win now!! Try to win a F'n ring!!  At some point ya gotta go for it. You can't sit on your hands forever trying to build it one stinkin pick at a time. Superstars win in this league. You need superstars!

Atlanta gave up the following:  their first, second and fourth rounders in 2011 as well as their first and fourth rounders in 2012.  To me, that's mortgaging the future.  There were some good receivers to be had in the second and third rounds.  I would not have made that trade if I was Atlanta's GM.

Seattle goes with a reach for OL when Carimi is available

It made sense for Atlanta, because they are legitimately close to being a primary SB contender, and the window on two of their offensive weapons (Gonzalez and, because of short shelf life, Turner) is closing soon. They make a move for another explosive offensive threat and said, in no uncertain terms, that they want to win it all in 2011.

It made sense for Cleveland because they really are nowhere near contending for a SB, and adding quality draft picks this year and next to refresh their roster with young talent was the smart way to go.

Draft Q for anyone...

With a number of teams here late in round one looking to trade out of the round, would you deal your 3rd rounder this year, plus future picks (no first rounders) to jump back into round one to take Ryan Mallett?

This Raven gaffe is weird

Haha Pats trade again. Ingram to NO looks like

NE could really clean up tommorrow with 3 2nd rounders

No, but I would to get him in the 2nd round.

Touche!  I would dangle a second rounder next year for one this year to grab Mallett.

QFT

Atlanta's GM did the right thing. He isn't looking for a WR to develop. He wants a day 1 Star WR. Someone who can step in and play at a high level now. Someone to pair with Roddy White and have a killer offense with. Because the team wants to win now!

You are so used to "reubilding mode" being a Fins Fan for so long, you forgot what it means to try and WIN A SUPER BOWL!! Atlanta is trying to win a Super Bowl. 4th round picks...who cares!!! Seriously, this is the #1 seed in the NFC last year that just added a Top 6 pick in the NFL Draft!

They will trade at least 1 away. Maybe 2.

The stockpiling of picks every year is nice, but at some point use him. They just trade for the sake of trading sometimes I think.

I saw Mort on Twitter saying Mallett might slip to Rd 4. I don't buy that for one second, but its out there.

Ya I don't either, but if he's there for us in round 3 we better draft him.

If he is there in Rd 3 and we pass on him, I take back the nice things I said about Ireland last night  ;D

yea, I think the Falcons showed too much Cojones and gave up a alot to select Julio.  I'm a Bama fan and I think he's a solid player, great blocker, and works hard.  like Gruden said, he did have a lot of drops, easy ones mind you.  I watched these games and couldnt believe some of the drops he had, with no one around him.  I guess just a lack of focus.

all in all, a great player, but to give up that much with the picks might come back to burn Atlanta in the long run.  it will be interesting to see what the Brownies do with these picks.  you get that many picks dropped in your lap, you better produce something with them

some organizations make bold moves to build a contenders. others pick "safe", and fist pump field goals, punts and 2 yard runs.

I remember seeing the Fins in "win now" mode.  1993 and 1995 in particular are the years that stand out for me.  Look where that got them.  I agree with Atlanta's mentality, but when you butcher your next two drafts to move so far up to take one player, you better be spot on.  Like I said earlier on, Atlanta probably has a three or four year window to win it all.  After that, the effects of losing all those picks will show.

If Mallett makes it past my 49ers in round two, I will be extremely unamused...

I probably wouldn't...I'd have to absolutely love him,to sacrifice a guy that would more than likely have an impact this year a RB,or TE (as opposed to a QB that might ride the pine for most,if not all the year). Any other year maybe...

I am ready to see QBs being drafted...so I'm lighting candles for Mallett to go to SF and Miami to find a way to get either Kaepernick or Dalton. Not sure either QB will last to Miami's 3rd round pick though, so it will possibly take a trade to make that happen.

the dolphins passed on the qb position when they had the chance. they need to live with that decision, and play out their plan. no sense in trading picks now.

wait out the draft, and then plug holes whenever free agency starts.

The trouble is, no player trades are allowed in this draft due to there being no CBA.  I'm sure the Dolphins would have tried to unload a couple players for picks.

What? Because they passed on him at 15, they shouldn't take him later? How does that make sense?

Now, I'm not saying they should give up next year's #1 or something stupid like that, but if you can find someone that is willing to trade next year's #2 and maybe this year's #3 or something like that, then I'd do it. I would. Sparano and Ireland probably won't.

Unless their "plan" involved passing on a QB early and then trading to get one later...in which case, that would be according to their plan.

it is what this fo does right? constantly chasing bad decisions, instead of making the right decision in the first place.

for 4 years they have been investing in this ol, and they still have to spend a 1st round draft pick to fix it.

they made the decision that the offensive guard was better than all the remaining skill position players available. have some conviction in that decision given you knew you had no second round pick. their decision was that they could pick up skill position players later in the draft or via free agency.

chasing bad decisions is what got this organization in trouble in the first place.

omar kelly is saying it might cost a 2012 first rounder to get dallas' 42. that's a great plan ireland has there. this is like ground hog day, ever throwing away high draft picks to try and chase bad decisions.

3 - 2nds and 2 3rds.  And already stockpiling an extra 1st for next year. 

^^^ Yeah, but that 1st rounder ought to have an asterisk attached, as New Orleans will be at the very back end of the first round next draft. Still was a good trade for New England though, as they basically pushed back to the same spot next year instead of this year, and got a late second round pick out of the deal.

^^^ I will be a Packers fan for the season opener. 

Glad to see my 49ers leveraging a pair of fourth rounders plus their second to move up in round two to select Colin Kaepernick. Definitely a "developmental" QB, and not one I expect to see under center this season at all...but he has the size-speed-athleticism to give him really nice upside, and a QB upgrade was definitely what we needed.

Ryan Mallet is still there...can he slide to Miami?

Well... no surprises so far on day 2. Dalton and Kaepernick go quickly and the fixation with pass-rushers continues.

Mallet to Skins?

With our luck NE will stockpile enough picks next year they will trade up and draft Andrew Luck to sit behind Brady. So once Brady retires we will have another 15 years of hell.

I can see it now

Hey this league is about THROWING the football down the field.....and STOPPING the pass at all costs. Qb's, OLB's, and CB's are the most important positions these days and its not even close. RB's are a dime a dozen minus your Adrian Peterson type who comes along once every 15 years.  Hell GB won a Super Bowl with an undrafted rookie out of Buffalo...the college of Buffalo. New England has won with RB's by committee and by playing WR's at RB for christ sakes.

Some positions these days mean a lot, some mean very little. Pass Rushers, QB's, CBs....thats where its at. The rules are set up for them, the game has changed so much

Trading for the #1 overall pick is close to impossible. Even if the Saints wind up in the middle of the pack, it would probably require both NE's first rounders + their #1 in 2013 + a few second round picks.

And how do you nullify that threat?

Cowboys picking an injured OLB... picking injured players always scares me. Especially that high. He's probably not going to play at all this year.

for a guy who many consider to be the NEXT Peyton Manning....it's worth it!

Sack the QB so he can't throw the friggin ball

Jesus Christ, would you read what I quoted from you. How do you nullify THE PASS RUSHERS?

Wow, Barry Sanders was popular. Almost couldn't hear the pick over the crowd.

I can't read your mind, be more clear!!

How do you nullfy pass rushers...Have a QB who can make quick reads to explosive WR's who can break big plays. Have RB's who can pick up blitzes and chip to help OT's.

Really not that difficult. But if you don't have a quality QB, it all means nothing. You gotta be able to throw the ball in this league. Having a franchise LT is fine, but the QB is more important

If it really were "not that difficult", teams wouldn't be picking pass rushers left and right. You said yourself that the rules today are in their favor. That makes it so much more important to protect the most important player on your team.

Roughly 30 picks until Miami is on the clock in round three. One guy that intrigues me a little is the teammate of the QB that my Niners just drafted, TE Virgil Green, Nevada. Not a monster blocking TE...more a WR in a TE body. Good WR skills though, and I think this team needs a pass catching TE to help Henne or whoever ends up under center. DJ Williams is another TE I like, but think Green is the better receiver.

Thoughts on guys you might like to see for Miami in round three?

But if you want to STOP the passing game you must have multiple guys who can get to the QB at any costs. Ya gotta try to stop it!  ::)

 Thats why speed rushers are a premium. Thats why Miami is lucky to maybe have the BEST in the game today in Wake!!

RB, WR, TE. Not in that order, just a skill position player who can make a play. A pass catching TE, I'm fine with.

If Mallett is there we are NUTS if we don't take him. If he isn't there, then a playmaker type. Someone who can make a play

I'm surprised the Raiders didn't grab him (Mallett) right there...

Colts trade up...


More protection for Peyton.

Pats with all of this trading and almost never making a pick is getting annoying. Belichick now trying to just prove he is so much smarter than everyone else. At some point ya gotta make a pick otherwise he is just doing this to get his jollys off somehow. I don't get it

TRADE!!!!!! DOLPHINS ARE ON THE CLOCK!!

Go Get Mallett!!

Nice eulogy to Mad Dog

There is our rb

Did Mallet die on Wednesday?

Like the pick. Good RB

He might have been dog-fighting in a bar with Ben Rothlesberger! lol

OMG they picked a stinkin' wildcat RB. LOL Figures.

Ireland/Sparano are gonna take heat for this draft. I don't mind taking a RB, but trading away a 3rd, 5th and 7th to trade up 18 spots? They probably could have had him without trading up.

Not saying I'm against the pick, but they picked Ronnie Brown, right?

The 3rd means nothing. Because you get a 2nd instead. So cross that off, thats a wash. We gave up a 5th and a 7th to get into Rd 2. That's not a bad deal. 7th round, who cares.

And if you gotta part with a 5th rounder to get teh guy you want IN ROUND 2, Im all for it.

Saban did

Mallet was partying with Charlie Sheen.

The difference between the 62nd overall and the 79th overall is 89 points according to "the chart". Our 5th rounder is (was) 33 points and our 7th rounder a measly 4.6 points. So from that point of view, it seems like a good deal.

Okay... let me spell it out: The basically just picked Ronnie Brown again, right?

Ok, something is going on with Mallet. You don't drop to the 3rd round like this without a reason. Something has been going on that no one is talking about.

I'm happy with the trade...thought they moved up enough to warrant losing the later picks.

Just my opinion, and I could be completely off...but I see these first two picks as Ireland/Sparano saying that they're NOT ready to give up on Henne and are giving him one last shot, with improved offensive support, to show that he can win games as Miami's starting QB.

I was thinking the same thing.  There are a lot of similarities.  He seems to hit the hole a lot harder than Ronnie though (that'swhatshesaid).  

OR that they think they can get a Carson Palmer or Kevin Kolb via trade once the lockout ends. It's one of the two. If you listen to Omar and the other beat reporters, they all say the coaches and front office has given up on Henne. So who knows.

MY BELIEF....is that Sparano/Ireland know their jobs are on the line with our screwball owner, so they don't want no rookie QB. They want a vet who can win now. Not some kid who they gotta wait to learn

They panicked when they saw Vereen and Leshoure come off the board and moved up to get him. That's ok, but it wasn't necessarily a good move, they basically didn't have any choice.

Nah, it means they think they can get one of the other teams cast offs like Vince Young. Everyone else that needed a QB picked one.

But in Rd 2. Not with the #2 overall pick of the draft. Give me Ronnie Brown at the end of Round 2 and its a friggin steal of a pick

You're probably right.  Fill all the other positions of need and get a vet QB to lead them.  So chances are pretty good we go with speed WR, pass catching TE or OLB then right?

Never said it was a bad thing.  I personally like this pick.  If we can get D. Williams to match up with him as a FA then look out.

I don't see OLB.  I could see TE for sure. Someone who can make a play in that position and open up the field.

Mallett to the Pats

ha ha. WOW!

I really hate the Pats. 

I thought you liked him and wanted the Dolphins to draft him.  What's so funny about the Patriots taking him?

I find it funny, a team with a franchise QB and a hall of fame QB takes the kid and is stockpiling QB's and we can't get one QB for damn near a decade!! If you don't laugh you would cry!

I loved the kid. Best QB in this draft. Off the field stuff, I don't know the details but they must have been a doozy for him to fall this far.

Now I'm hoping I was wrong about Mallett.  Please be right about him StL

When Rich Eisan asked Maycok what the off the field red flags were for mallett to cause him to fall this far, Mayock's face dropped and said he didn't want to say them on TV.

Man this kid must have been into some deep doo-doo at Arkansas. All Mayock would say was multiple run ins with the law and often for the same thing. He never learned his lesson

Don't worry Tony, you knew it wasn't going to last forever. Take the money and go fishing or something like Bill did. Who knows, maybe the lockout will last the whole year and you'll get to coach them in 2012.

I heard drugs, specifically marijuana, but it's just speculation at this point.

Has to be drugs. Has to be.

It was pot. Plus the story that he missed his meeting with the Bears because he was out partying the night before. His agent denied it saying he was sick( dont care how sick you are, showing up goes a long way when you are looking to get drafted/hired) but that is what the Bears believed happened and it spread around the league.
This kid cost himself a lot of money with his stupidity.

Quick brag post.  In one of the prediction  threads I had said, "I'd like to see them go offensive line with the first pick and then RB with their next pick."   I'm very satisfied with their 1st two picks.  The team was 29th in rushing last year.  They have a mediocre QB.  No outstanding QBs coming out in this draft.  Given that scenario, I think that Miami sees that their best chance at success this year is going to be focusing on the rushing game and hoping that the run game takes some pressure off of Henne and allows him to be more successful by getting defenses to focus on the Fins running game.  Although they are similarly built, the new RB is going to do some thing better than Ronnie.  He is more of a smash-mouth, north and south runner and he is a better pass catcher coming out of the backfield and a better blocker.  People always want to see "flash" from draft picks, but if you don't win the battle in the trenches, your flash players aren't going to get the opportunity to show their stuff anyway.  A good offensive line makes every RB better and also gives a QB the time to be more effective. 

NE drafted 5 players in the first three rounds of the draft this year.  Jets and Dolphins drafted 4 combined.  And they have an extra 1st and 2nd for next year.  NE drafts players typically more than the normal 7.  Last year 11, including 4 in the first 2 rounds.  The year before 10 including 6 in the first 3 rounds. 

The reason why NE can draft more players than most other teams is because they trade down for value and stockplile. 

Nah....Luck, Mallet and Brady is bit crowded at QB. 

I like the pick.  I am not completely sold on Mallet actually.  But if he is as good as is supporter say he is Brady's replacement and this is better pick than Greenbay getting Rodgers when they had Favre, it he is as bad as his detractors say, NE burned a 3rd round pick they got by trading a malcontent WR.  I like the upside/downside risk equation. 

I don't think Miami has the locker room for Mallett....

I wanted to give Stroke some Grief about this post (especially since Mallett in neither a Dolphin or a 49ers thankfully IMHO)

Mallet doesn't scream Jim Drukenmiller to you? Big guy,Canon Arm,party guy....

Sorry to bring up those bad memories Stroke....It just surprised me to hear you want Mallet...

I think that is why he fell and why his a better pick for NE than for a team that needs a QB.  Dolphins (or anybody else) picks him with a first round pick and he is the anointed one.  Dolphins would have to start him over Henne to justify the pick. 

In NE he is the #2 guy.  There isn't gonna be a QB controversy at camp.  He needs to clean himself up or face leaving the NFL having only been a backup. He is low risk for NE, he would have been huge risk for any team who actually needed a QB.   

Stanzi maybe? Or D.J. Williams?  Salas?  I say its one of the three

^^ that's my hope...

The Local Kid just went to Dallas..David Arkin..Congrats on getting drafted

A wr to the Dolphins Edmund Gates...WR with Speed...

No grief taken, nor bad memories stirred, B... Until you said his name, I never once thought of Drunkenmiller when considering Mallett.

I really think New England got a steal in Mallett, and that being part of the Patriots orgnaization will help him mature as a person. Let's be real here...character maturity is the ONLY reason that Mallett wasn't pounced on by every QB-hungry team in round one. I think in 2-3 years, Mallett will grow into an outstanding youg QB, ready to take over a starting QB role, either for the Patsies or someone else. I think that if Brady gets hurt (this is football, and that happens sometimes), Mallett will shine sooner, rather than later.

I really like SF getting Kaepernick...but think he'll need some Harbaugh grooming before he's ready to actually help the 49ers win football games. I expect SF to be active in going after a FA vet QB as soon as the court bullshit is resolved.

Your Pats are probably the one team with the best chance of beating Mallett into being a good citizen.  And with the track record that the Pats have with drafts, I'm certainly not going to argue their picks.

I'm just fine with this pick at WR.  Fins are sorely lacking speed at the position and this guy can fly.  Granted, he is from a small school, but that doesn't mean he can't play.  I would be thrilled if this guy sticks and becomes a speed compliment on the other side of Marshall.

I really like the Gates pick...we needed speed, and Gates definitely brings a lot of that. It's a shame that Miami doesn't have another pick until round 6 though, because the TE I like, Virgil Green, is still there, and I think he'd be a perfect fit for one of Miami's still-unfilled offensive needs.

On another smiling note... I really like SF grabbing RB Kendall Hunter this round to back up Frank Gore (and be the change of pace guy).

Let's just hope that Gates doesn't turn into another Ginn Family.  He has blazing speed, has been known to drop easy passes (although he has made some great circus catches), and needs to refine his route running.  Will probably also be a kick returner for the Dolphins.

If we get "Ginn production" from Gates, I'd be very pleased. The problem with Ginn was that he was drafted about 32 picks too high. A mid-fourth round pick on Gates... yeah, I'd be very happy if he turned out to be Ginn.

Good point.  I can't argue with that.