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Really?


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-bandon-marshall-dolphins-boston-0720110715,0,231953.story

I gotta believe now he's protecting her.  Explain how, then, you ended up in the hospital now...?

Come on, we're not dumb.  ::)

I can only hope she gets some jail time so that he can divorce her.  I was more interested in the rest of the article, It's good to see he is working hard in the off season to get his speed back.  He was complementary of Bess, and seemed to realize he wasn't as professional as he could have been last year due to his frustration.  Looks like he'll be starting the season with the right attitude.

One isn't necessarily incluse or exclusionary of the other.

^^^ You are correct, but in reading the article it sounds like he is still hung up on her a bit, the forced seperation may put an end to it.

The man is nuts.

Hope we cut him and save some cap money. We can finish in 3rd place with or without him. Not like he was all that special on the field last year anyway. He was an ordinary player in about 14 of the 16 games

MikeO, give the guy a chance to make a comeback.  He's working hard.  If he puts in the work and still sucks, then maybe.  But we've seen what he can do in Denver, I don't know why you'd just wanna jettison that guy and that potential to "save some cap money."

Problem is if we don't cut him within the first 30 days of the new league season he kills our salary cap for years to come because of the way his contract was worded. It's not "some" cap money, its a real LOT of cap money we save!!! We cut him within a month and our hands are clean and our cap is in a better place.

The guy is a walking disaster off the field, his fault or not.....its always something. And on the field his production slipped.  There isn't one good reason to keep him. But since our head coach and GM have their butts on the hot seat we probably will and in the end they will still get canned and we will have the anchor of Marshall's bad contract holding us back and holding back the new GM and head coach a year from now. Which means more years of mediore Dolphins football on the horizon. And then in 5 years everyone will look back and say how stupid we were for keeping this clown around like we did.

I think he's worth the risk. Just my opinion, of course...

He is the best receiver we have right now, and the best one we have had in several years.

I would say that is one good reason to keep him.

Two years ago he was the in the top 3 in the league.  He had one bad season.

Now he is battling Randy Moss in a "I can run faster than you" battle.  They're both maxing out at 24 MPH.  They would be speeding if they ran thru a school zone.

I'm willing to take a risk on that.

He is also one personal conduct policy violation away from a 1 year suspension. He can't tell the truth about his wife stabbing him. And is NOT worth the investment this franchise is putting in with him.

We went through this once with Ricky and some people still don't learn. Keep touching the hot stove, expect a different result!

When we have another decade of total failure then maybe some of this stuff will start to sink in.

^^^ Even though I'm not a true 'Phins fan, I pray that they miraculously become a monster elite team, just to see if "happiness" and "cheerful" lie within MikeO's emotional range. Seriously, dude...you are non-stop road rage, minus the road.

On topic...I think Marshall has some serious issues upstairs he's dealing with that lead to the behavioral problems, but the talent is there - if he can keep those issues under control - that would allow him to be a true #1 WR for this team.

no rage, just an opinion. There are numerous players on the Fins I can say nothing but nice things about! Marshall ain't one of them, sorry.

his behavorial problems aren't just 1 or 2 things. They started in college, got worse in Denver, and have continued in Miami. It's so far beyond one or two isolated incidents. This guy is bat-sh#t crazy! And you don't invest big money in those guys. Especially when it ties up your salary cap and handcuffs your team from being succesful in the long run.

But keep making the same mistakes over and over and expect different results!

Can you please enlighten us about what it is about his contract that will handcuff the team for the next 10 years?

well not ten years but a bunch.

If the Fins cut him within 30 days of the new league season esentially they paid him $12.5 mill for one year and there is no cap hit if they cut him because of the out-clause the Fins gave themselves in writing his deal of that 30-day window.

IF they keep him, the Fins are on the hook for $25 mill guaranteed over 3 years. And base salaries of $9.1 mill in 2013 and 2014. Meaning after that 30 day window if they cut him after next year at anytime that will be a large amount of "dead money" on the cap if things don't work out. Or if he violates the league personal conduct policy and is suspended for the year, or if he just under-performes like he did last year you are paying a guy premium money for lackluster results.

It's a big risk to take with ANYONE. But even bigger with this nut-case!

Agreed it is a big risk, but maybe if you're ever going to gamble on a guy, this is the guy.  Hell they gambled on Ricky who couldn't stay away from the weed, and announced in on TV.  At least Marshall seems like a safer wager with bigger up-side.

Its a big risk to keep a huge guaranteed salary, but you're assuming he gets cut next year.  Given the fact that his salary is guaranteed, the chances of him getting cut for salary-dumping reasons next year, or any year before 2014, is pretty slim.

I truly feel that Marshall has been working hard in the offseason, showing that he's better than his mediocre numbers last season.  I wanna give him a second chance to prove that last year was a fluke...

this is NOT the guy I would gamble on. He has too many skeletons in his closet and too much "DRAMA" around him at all times.

I believe there was a comment on another thread about passing judgement on people.

^^^^
Agreed way to early to think about parting with the best player on our team. Prior to last season this guy was considered one of the best WR in the game and you know what.....I think he still is. So he had a down year with a new team BFD. I bet he comes out with a chip on his shoulder and something to prove this year and returns to that same status.

She stabbed him in the stomach, so it's probably a rib that has the chip. ;)

Why do some people put such a big emphasis on "character" for BALL PLAYERS.  This guy isn't performing brain surgery on me or going to court for me.  He catches a f***ing ball for a living!  I don't give a shit if he picks terrible girlfriends; why would we get rid of him if he's the best BALL CATCHER we have? 

Locker-room cancer yadayada... I get it.  This dude hasn't given me any indication he's a grade A douche like T.O.  As long as he produces whatver happens off field I couldn't care any less. 

He is actually MUCH worse than T.O. And its not even close!

Teams filled with multiple bad character guys in the NFL these days dont' win. With social media, TMZ, 24/7 coverage of everything....if a team has a  bunch of bad character guys they will implode.

You don't need a bunch of alter boys, but you can't have a bunch of guys who are getting stabbed, getting poped for DUI's, beating their wife/girlfriend, rape charges...etc. Teams with a bunch of bad character guys don't win in this league. And to have one be the highest paid or 2nd highest paid guy on your team....GOOD LUCK! That is just insane! And some guys (like Marshall) are involved with something all the time. It never ends! Either he is getting stabbed, getting shot at, quitting on the Broncos, acting like a 4 year old during practice, throwing the ball around on the field after plays getting 15 yard penalties for no good reason, multiple arrests for domestic violence.  To invest big bucks and major portion of the salary cap in a guy like that is crazy. Marshall was given a 2nd chance after Denver, in one year.....HE HAS FAILED! Time to move on. We won't, but we should. And it will cost Sparano his job and maybe Irleand's when all is said and done

So when you talk about "bad character guys," and specifically reference DUIs, does Hines Ward count?  (If not, I'm extremely interested in hearing why Ward's DUI is excusable but Ronnie's single DUI automatically qualifies him as one of the worst character players in the league, according to you.)  Does being voted the dirtiest player in the NFL (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/11/04/dirty/index.html) count as a "bad character" guy?  How about being arrested on sexual assault charges and subsequently being suspended by the league?  Or getting in a motorcycle accident (without a helmet!) when you don't even have a valid motorcycle license?  What about a player that is continually being fined for illegal hits, threatened to retire over rule changes, and gave a print interview where he throws their own team members under the bus?  Do those count as "bad character guys"?

Because it seems to me that PIT was in the Super Bowl last year and won it three years ago, with some of their most important players on BOTH sides of the ball having several character issues.  That seems to make your "bad character" criteria a complete fabrication.

Pittsburgh is the exception not the rule.

Go root for them if you want to root for a  bunch of criminals.

Can I root for them if I want to root for a team that prioritizes winning over being model citizens?

Anyway, you say that PIT is the exception, not the rule, right?  So please explain the following (apologies for the ugliness of this, but a pretty chart breaks the page):

Date      Name            Team         Position   Incident   Resolution
6/16/2011   Brandon Underwood    Green Bay      CB      Police called to his house in domestic incident. He was charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct after allegedly ripping necklace off of his wife's neck.   
3/25/2011   Johnny Jolly       Green Bay      DE      Arrested in Houston after traffic stop, charged with possession of codeine with intent to distribute.   He pleaded guilty to one codeine possession charge from 2008. Sentenced to a drug treatment program and five years of deferred adjudication.
6/10/2010   Brandon Underwood    Green Bay      CB      Two women claimed they were sexually assaulted in Lake Dalton, Wis., leading to charge.   Pleaded no contest to prostitution-nonmarital sexual intercourse, $379 fine.
3/13/2010   Spencer Havner       Green Bay      TE      Arrested in California on suspicion of DUI after motorcycle accident around 2:45 a.m.

11/27/2010   Will Smith       New Orleans   DE      Arrested, charged with domestic abuse battery after allegedly grabbing his wife by hair and pulling her down the street.   
5/23/2010   Harry Coleman       New Orleans   S      Arrested around 3 a.m. on simple battery charge stemming from scuffle.   
12/29/2009   Bobby McCray       New Orleans   DE      Arrested on DUI charge, speeding, no registration, at 4:30 a.m.   
8/31/2009   Usama Young       New Orleans   S      Arrested after traffic stop, charged with failure to appear in court for parking in a handicap spot.   
5/3/2009   Biren Ealy       New Orleans   WR      Arrested on obscenity and disturbing the peace charges. He allegedly urinated in public and exposed himself to women.   Cut by team two days later.
5/3/2009   Kolomona Kapanui    New Orleans   TE      Arrested on obscenity and disturbing the peace charges. He allegedly urinated in public and exposed himself to women.   Cut by team two days later.
1/16/2009   Jonathan Vilma       New Orleans   LB      Arrested, charged with resisting arrest and reckless driving in Miami.   Charges dropped in exchange for $1,000 donation to charity and agreement to clear up outstanding tickets.
5/20/2008   Charles Grant       New Orleans   DE      Indicted on a charge of involuntary manslaughter stemming from a Feb. 3 nightclub altercation. A pregnant woman was killed by a stray bullet in the fracas.   Pleaded no contest to misdemeanor public fighting in plea deal. Involuntary manslaughter charge dropped. $1,000 fine, one year probation, $20,000 restitution for investigation.

12/1/2008   Plaxico Burress    N.Y. Giants   WR      Turned himself on charge of criminal possession of a handgun after accidentally shooting himself in thigh at New York nightclub. He did not have permit for the Glock pistol. Indicted on two counts of criminal possession of a weapon and one count of reckless endangerment.   Team suspended him four games, released after the season. Pleaded guilty to criminal possession of weapon, agreed to two-year prison sentence and two years of supervised release.
11/13/2008   Kareem McKenzie    N.Y. Giants   OT      Charged with drunken driving, reckless driving, driving on private property to avoid a traffic signal and driving with an expired registration.   
9/28/2008   Danny Ware       N.Y. Giants   RB      Arrested on alcohol charge, pedestrian under the influence, in Georgia.   
6/21/2008   Geoffrey Pope       N.Y. Giants   CB      Arrested in Detroit after allegedly hitting a man over the head with a champagne bottle.   Dropped, cleared of wrongdoing.
6/15/2008   Ahmad Bradshaw       N.Y. Giants   RB      Surrendered to authorities to serve first of two 30-day jail terms for undisclosed probation violation. The probation stemmed from an undisclosed offense while he was a juvenile.   
2/13/2008   Antonio Pierce       N.Y. Giants   LB      Summons issued for charge of neglecting one of his pit pulls.   Pleaded guilty, $1,300 fine
2/1/2008   Adrian Awasom       N.Y. Giants   DE      Arrested on extreme DUI charge in Phoenix at 3 a.m., two days before team played in Super Bowl.   Sent home by team before Super Bowl.

I'll be happy to go back further if you need me to really pound this point home.  (Indy, in particular, is a gem.)

And the case against Marshall's wife was dropped due to "conflicting evidence".

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/charges-dropped-against-wife-of-miami-dolphins-receiver-1671551.html

Marshall has been diagnosed with BPD and is getting help.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=sportsxchange-000373668_dolphins-brandon-marshall-diagnosed-with-mental-illness

So now its official he is crazy. And he HAS the papers to prove it!! lol lol. Just catch touchdowns and all will be fine.

Mental illness is not a laughing matter.  I respect him for going public with this information.

sounds like he is promoting his movie

No, that's just JIDD. Juvenile Internet Discussion Disorder.

i only read the 1st page of this thread but i'm starting to think if it was up to Mike we wouldn't have a football team because he wants to get rid of everyone on the squad

so it is brandon marshalls fault we didn't do anything or chad henne's ??? LMFAO

The Dolphins are a better team with him, but without a good QB its like a waste. Plus no matter what the Dolphins do, they're gonna finish in 3rd place anyway. I dont see the dolphins having a better record than Jets or Pats. Plus the Dolphins dont seem to care anyway, they're not doing crap in this free agency. R.Bush and thats it?!? He's not gonna be an every down back, plus wo a good QB (Orton) we wont see the best of him. It makes me mad cuz the Jets and Pats show they care, and want to win, by signing all these free agents, and Dolphins arent doing crap. They're not being aggressive with the free agency. Why not get Orton, we need a better QB, why not add another good WR, a RB, or sign Ricky back for one more year. Cuz Bush and the new rookie, with Henne at the helm is not enough to compete against the Pats or Jets defense, r u kiddin me?!