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Title: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on August 28, 2011, 07:52:06 pm
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if u a canes fan spread the word


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: StL FinFan on August 28, 2011, 07:55:29 pm
I think it's crap and I'm not a fan of either college team.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MikeO on August 28, 2011, 08:08:54 pm
I'm not a Canes or Gator fan, but I can see why a Canes fan would be upset with this. It's like if the Canes honored the Patriots 2001 Championship team at halftime of one of their games on some Saturday. That would piss off Fins Fans.

Just a ploy by Stephen Ross to make some money on a game that isn't selling a lot of tickets. So I get why he is doing it.  Just ain't right. But Canes fans got bigger issues now and this is the least of them!


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: CF DolFan on August 28, 2011, 08:15:57 pm
I'm not a Canes or Gator fan, but I can see why a Canes fan would be upset with this. It's like if the Canes honored the Patriots 2001 Championship team at halftime of one of their games on some Saturday. That would piss off Fins Fans.

Just a ploy by Stephen Ross to make some money on a game that isn't selling a lot of tickets. So I get why he is doing it.  Just ain't right. But Canes fans got bigger issues now and this is the least of them!

That's a really bad analogy.

It would be like the Canes honoring Seminole High School (including Ray Ray Armstrong, Dyron Dye and Andre Dubose) for winning the 2008 State Championship in a game versus the Gators. I'm sure Miami Northwestern might not like it but it really isn't a big deal.

The Patriots have nothing to do with Florida and they are a "higher" division than the Canes.



Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Tenshot13 on August 28, 2011, 08:25:25 pm
I can't stand either school.  Having said that, I think it's stupid to be celebrating UF in Miami.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MikeO on August 28, 2011, 08:28:04 pm
That's a really bad analogy.

It would be like the Canes honoring Seminole High School (including Ray Ray Armstrong, Dyron Dye and Andre Dubose) for winning the 2008 State Championship in a game versus the Gators. I'm sure Miami Northwestern might not like it but it really isn't a big deal.

The Patriots have nothing to do with Florida and they are a "higher" division than the Canes.



point is we share a stadium with the canes and we are "honoring" one of their rivals. If the Canes honored one of our rivals its the same thing. Nothing to do with location as much as it being a "rival" on some level.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: mecadonzilla on August 28, 2011, 08:34:31 pm
I think it's hilarious.

Maybe if the Canes weren't busy cheating, they could be celebrating instead.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: CF DolFan on August 28, 2011, 08:37:34 pm
point is we share a stadium with the canes and we are "honoring" one of their rivals. If the Canes honored one of our rivals its the same thing. Nothing to do with location as much as it being a "rival" on some level.

We don't share anything. Our owner rents the field to them just as he does the Marlins and any promoter that can afford it for their event. There isn't any connection between the Canes and Dolphins.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: dolfan13 on August 28, 2011, 09:25:56 pm
i don't get the dolphins business decisions sometimes. why the denver home game in particular? obviously because of the tim tebow factor. so if that is the case, won't fans of tebow drawn to this event be natural supporters of the broncos???

first get rid of day games in september heat advantage, now host events to draw in more fans of the opposing team. maybe the goal is to turn home games into truly away games so that they can win a few more of them.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on August 28, 2011, 10:01:03 pm
its kinda like this

say JT won the super bowl last year with the Jets, then he becomes a coach at UM, the Saturday before the Phins play the jets UM decides to honor the jets superbowl team

or lets say they wanna honor Wilfork and the pats on the saturday before the phins play them on Monday night

and theres no connection, whats the connection that the dolphins have with the gators ???

canes represent the same city, play in the same stadium and share a shit load of the same fans


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: CF DolFan on August 28, 2011, 10:30:35 pm
its kinda like this

say JT won the super bowl last year with the Jets, then he becomes a coach at UM, the Saturday before the Phins play the jets UM decides to honor the jets superbowl team

or lets say they wanna honor Wilfork and the pats on the saturday before the phins play them on Monday night

and theres no connection, whats the connection that the dolphins have with the gators ???

canes represent the same city, play in the same stadium and share a shit load of the same fans

I still think this is a bad analogy.  Look, I think it's a stupid idea but I don't think the Dolphins owe the Canes anything.  It's a way for him to try and capitalize off of Tebow's popularity here in the Sunshine State. Nothing more. If Cane's fans show up to boo them then that just helps his cause.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Dave Gray on August 29, 2011, 01:02:00 am
There are probably more Gator fans down here than Canes fans anyways.

It's a ploy to get more fans, sure.  Tebow is a big seller.  But who cares?  The Canes have no affiliation with the Dolphins.  They don't cross-market or anything.  They just rent the same field.

Also, in my opinion, the Gators and Canes aren't even rivals.  They want to be, but they hardly ever play.  The "rivalry" with the Gators and Canes pales in comparison to what either team has with FSU.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Brian on August 29, 2011, 01:37:43 am
There are probably more Gator fans down here than Canes fans anyways.

It's a ploy to get more fans, sure.  Tebow is a big seller.  But who cares?  The Canes have no affiliation with the Dolphins.  They don't cross-market or anything.  They just rent the same field.

Also, in my opinion, the Gators and Canes aren't even rivals.  They want to be, but they hardly ever play.  The "rivalry" with the Gators and Canes pales in comparison to what either team has with FSU.


There are not more gator fans than canes fans down here. Not even close.

The canes might not have any affiliation with the dolphins but neither do the gators...so why do this at all? Like you said, it's a ploy. How about instead of creating the many "ploys" that this management has tried to create they actually go out and win more than 5-7 games a year? That's to much to ask. Instead they'll just put together a tribute to a team that has not only no affiliation with the dolphins but also not affiliation with south florida to fill seats.

By the way, I'm an FSU fan and hate the canes as much, maybe more, than the gators.

Also the Gator/Canes rivalry is just as big as the rivalry with the Noles. The reason why they hardly ever play anymore is cause the Gators stopped the yearly games after the canes became dominant in the late 80s.







Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MikeO on August 29, 2011, 05:47:14 am
i don't get the dolphins business decisions sometimes. why the denver home game in particular? obviously because of the tim tebow factor. so if that is the case, won't fans of tebow drawn to this event be natural supporters of the broncos???



they picked the Denver game because that home game has sold the fewest tickets thus far. And they wanted a gimmick to sell more tickets. So they created one


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MikeO on August 29, 2011, 07:49:41 am
Armando of the Miami Herald on his radio show today reported the Fins offered the same deal to the honor the Canes 2000 team and they said no to a day.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: dolfan13 on August 29, 2011, 08:08:15 am
they picked the Denver game because that home game has sold the fewest tickets thus far. And they wanted a gimmick to sell more tickets. So they created one

that's fine, but do something that is affiliated to the dolphins. honor maddog again, invite some old former player back, do freaking something that is freaking dolphins related. i think zach krantz on the radio was saying maybe a themed "throwback" day. i dunno, one million other gimmick ideas you can think of besides inviting more fans of the opposing team to come celebrate.

nah, this owner could care less... day games in september with a heat advantage for the dolphins, nope need to sell later in the day tickets instead. need to generate more business for a game lacking interest, jump on the tebow bandwagon even if it means bringing in more opposing team fans.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Phishfan on August 29, 2011, 09:35:34 am
obviously because of the tim tebow factor. so if that is the case, won't fans of tebow drawn to this event be natural supporters of the broncos???


Yes, because there are not any fans who like the Gators & the Dolphins.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: dolfan13 on August 29, 2011, 10:05:53 am
compared to what? jags or bucs fans? i would say gators-dolphins fans would be in the significant minority.

and so what... if you are in the small minority gators-dolphins fans (relative to other pro affiliations), how would a gators reunion make you more likely to go to a game where you are already a fan of the pro team?

this has nothing to do with marketing to dolphins fans. that's the market that isn't buying tickets to this game. this has everything to do with targeting a broader market, pulling from a large base of tim tebow followers who in turn will be rooting for the donkeys.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Dave Gray on August 29, 2011, 10:16:57 am
I am able to divorce my thoughts about marketing with my thoughts about personnel and team management.

The orange carpet, celebrity owners, Club Liv, Gators reunion, etc. -- all that crap helps sell tickets.

Winning games sells tickets, too.  You can try both, with sacrificing one over the other.  I think all this outrage is misplaced.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Brian on August 29, 2011, 11:07:06 am
 You can try both, with sacrificing one over the other.

Exactly...


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Phishfan on August 29, 2011, 12:01:30 pm
compared to what? jags or bucs fans?

Jags fans are in a minority in this state regardless of any college team you care to pair them with (the only exception may be within the Jacksonville area itself). Bucs, Dolphins may be a wash. In the area that is going to drive to a Dolphin's game though, hands down more Dolphin fans.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 29, 2011, 12:14:56 pm
The better analogy would be if UM held a ceremony for Warren Sapp and the 2002 Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers (during a UM game).  Which I guess would also be a total outrage?

Like the Dolphins and the Bucs, the Gators and the Hurricanes are not even in the same conference.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Brian Fein on August 29, 2011, 12:16:42 pm
This is all a ploy to leverage Tebow mania to sell tickets.  I suspect the majority of Dolphins fans support the Hurricanes and would boo the crap out of the Gators, on the Canes' home field.

There are plenty of Gators on other teams, the Patriots come to mind.  But they chose the Broncos game because of Tebow.  Plain and simple.

Its poorly thought out, and in poor taste, if you ask me.  I have a feeling there will be more booing than honoring.  You'll see.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: bsfins on August 29, 2011, 12:40:07 pm
I guess I'm the only person that couldn't give 2 shits about this what so ever... :-\


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on August 29, 2011, 12:54:03 pm
That's a really bad analogy.

It would be like the Canes honoring Seminole High School (including Ray Ray Armstrong, Dyron Dye and Andre Dubose) for winning the 2008 State Championship in a game versus the Gators. I'm sure Miami Northwestern might not like it but it really isn't a big deal.

The Patriots have nothing to do with Florida and they are a "higher" division than the Canes.



I agree.  If you somehow want to get the Patriots into an analogy.  It would be like the Patriots honoring the UConn women's basketball team for winning the NCAA Championship and some BC or BU fans getting their panties in a bunch. 


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Dave Gray on August 29, 2011, 02:34:42 pm
Its poorly thought out, and in poor taste, if you ask me.  I have a feeling there will be more booing than honoring.  You'll see.

The Dolphins don't care.  They want to fill their stadium. 

We should be happy that we can fill the stadium at all.  I don't want our team to get shipped out, so whatever puts asses in the seats, I'm fine with it.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on August 29, 2011, 03:44:56 pm
I guess I'm the only person that couldn't give 2 shits about this what so ever... :-\

+1 I am trying to figure out why anybody cares this has no effect on the Dolphins and Broncos game either way!!!!!!!


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MikeO on August 29, 2011, 05:30:28 pm
since a similar day was offered to the Canes and they declined, its no a non-issue.



Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on August 29, 2011, 05:57:15 pm
canes and gators is a huge rivalry, unlike the dolphins and bucs


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Phishfan on August 29, 2011, 06:25:11 pm
Shouldn't teams play each other regularly to consider it a rivalry?


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 29, 2011, 06:47:35 pm
Tell me some more about the storied UF-UM rivalry, please.

Tell me about all the important games that they have played against each other.  Tell me about the big head-to-head upsets that cost one team a shot at the nat'l title.  Tell me about the conference championship-clinching wins.

The UF-UM "rivalry" is like 49ers-Raiders, Dodgers-Angels, or even Patriots-Colts.  The only time you care about the other team at all is when both are good.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on August 29, 2011, 07:33:49 pm
lmfao r u serious ???

i see a few people dunno shit about Canes vs Gators

just a little article explaining it

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?id=1609982


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 29, 2011, 08:56:15 pm
So according to that article, Florida-Miami is almost as big of a rivalry as... Florida-Auburn?

I guess it's as big as the famous Dolphins-Raiders rivalry?  Or maybe Dolphins-Chargers?


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on August 29, 2011, 09:00:49 pm
lmfao, ask any canes fan what they think of the gators

gators are more hated the the noles

"For the Gators, the game never hit the heights of other Southeastern Conference rivalries like Auburn, Georgia and Tennessee -- or reached the crescendo of the annual meeting with Florida State."

thats cause they stopped playin us and took us off their schedule, they already tryin to bitch out again"

alot of people on this message board suffer from selective reading


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 29, 2011, 09:28:15 pm
lmfao, ask any canes fan what they think of the gators

gators are more hated the the noles
So, ask any UM fan which team they hate more:

- the team from the same state that has 0 BCS appearances in the last 5 years, or
- the team from the same state that has 3 BCS appearances and 2 national championships in the same time frame

If you asked that same question in, say, 2005, I think you might have gotten a different answer.

Quote
"For the Gators, the game never hit the heights of other Southeastern Conference rivalries like Auburn, Georgia and Tennessee -- or reached the crescendo of the annual meeting with Florida State."

thats cause they stopped playin us and took us off their schedule, they already tryin to bitch out again
You have cause and effect switched up.  The very next sentence from your article:

"So Florida dropped the Hurricanes in 1988 because it wanted to play a 'more national schedule,' then promptly replaced them with Montana State. Miami fans accused the Gators of pulling out because the Hurricanes were dominating them -- on field and on the national scene."

In other words, Florida didn't really care about UM, and has never seen that team as a big deal; not as big as Auburn or Tennessee, and not as big as the Seminoles.  The last line from UM fans about Florida running scared is pretty silly, since (at the time of that article) Florida was 25-26 against Miami.

Selective reading, indeed.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Landshark on August 29, 2011, 10:57:30 pm
Tell me some more about the storied UF-UM rivalry, please.

This right here is why the Hurricanes and Gators hate each other. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Uzu-wPFmc


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 30, 2011, 12:48:51 am
I understand that play was a big deal and all, but it was 40 years ago.

You don't see today's Raider fans still raging at the Steelers over the Immaculate Reception.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Phishfan on August 30, 2011, 10:01:50 am
lmfao r u serious ???

i see a few people dunno shit about Canes vs Gators

just a little article explaining it

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?id=1609982

I know enough to realize the two are right in the middle of a four year stretch where they don't play each other and then only have that one game planned in 2013 with no other games planned at this time. That sounds like one helluva a current rivalry.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on August 30, 2011, 10:09:18 am
This right here is why the Hurricanes and Gators hate each other. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Uzu-wPFmc

Most of the current students at both colleges weren't born yet.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on August 30, 2011, 05:16:12 pm
but u guys do understand that these 2 schools play each other in other sports right


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on August 30, 2011, 05:18:13 pm
ya florida only puts em on the schedule when um is down, once UM became a power house and was ontop of college football florida took em off the schedule hahahaha

everyone knows florida was duckin UM and they still are, we are scheduled to play 3 games, with 1 already played, florida already trying to duck out of the next 2


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Phishfan on August 30, 2011, 05:25:46 pm
^^^That mathwork doesn't add up since I already mentioned they have a game planned in 2013 and no more after that.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on August 30, 2011, 05:34:36 pm
they suppose to have a home and home and 1 on a neutral site


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on August 30, 2011, 05:42:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYH0NtB1DTg&NR=1

fast forwad to around 2:40


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Landshark on August 30, 2011, 10:18:13 pm
I understand that play was a big deal and all, but it was 40 years ago.

You don't see today's Raider fans still raging at the Steelers over the Immaculate Reception.

Most of the current students at both colleges weren't born yet.

The alumni also make up a big part of the fan bases at these schools.  And they have memories like elephants.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 30, 2011, 10:55:03 pm
but u guys do understand that these 2 schools play each other in other sports right
How many of UM's sports play at Dolphin Stadium?

And how many Gator teams won a national championship in 2009?  How many won that championship on the field at Dolphin Stadium?


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on August 30, 2011, 11:42:21 pm
yo where r u from ??? because u aint from Miami i know that

y does it matter what other sports play on the field ??? the schools r rivals, this is Miami's home football field

last time i was at the Stadium there was a UM logo at the entrance


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on August 31, 2011, 09:23:10 am
The alumni also make up a big part of the fan bases at these schools.  And they have memories like elephants.

The majority of alum that was fans back then have since passed away.  It was 40 years ago. 

The rivalry that exist between the Dolphins and Patriots is NOT based on the snow plow game, it is based on the teams being in the same division and playing each other at least twice a year. 

This is anchent history.  Plus the Dolphins are honoring a Florida football team who also has many fans who are Dolphin fans.  This would not be the same as the Lions honoring Ohio. 

Having the Dolphins proshop selling Jets, Bills and Patriots jerseys is a reason to be upset.  Honoring a local football team is not. 


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Dave Gray on August 31, 2011, 09:58:31 am
Dolphins stadium isn't the Hurricanes' field.  It's the Dolphins field.  The hurricanes go there because they don't have their own.  They are tenants.  It would be different if it were on UM campus or something. 

I go to Dolphin games all the time and there's barely a trace that the Hurricanes even play there.  There's Marlin stuff and Dolphins stuff very visible, but I can't recall any UM stuff. (It's probably there somewhere.)

Also, (summarizing what Wilbon and Kornheiser said about this yesterday) UF is a state school, with a big portion of the alumni down here.  It's totally appropriate for Pro Teams to reach out to multiple schools in the same state.

Hey Hurricanes, get your own field and then you can let whoever you want on it.  Don't rent on and then bitch about it.  (Oh yeah, also stop getting bribed with sex from boat prostitutes.)


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: jtex316 on August 31, 2011, 11:34:48 am
The Dolphins can do whatever they want, but stuff like this, stuff like selling Jets jerseys in your pro shop and stuff like flying to interview Jim Harbaugh when Sparano is still your coach just shows that the Dolphins executives simply "don't get it" and are not "football people".

They're centering this whole celebration during the Denver game for a shitty-ass QB who might not even be on the roster by week 8, because he's a shitty hack.

It's a joke, but it's the Dolphins' right to make themselves look like a joke.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: mecadonzilla on August 31, 2011, 08:38:57 pm
When did U. o'Miami come to the current Joe Robbie-era stadium?

When did they leave the Orange Bowl?  I was under the impression that they'd been in the Orange Bowl until fairly recently, but I reserve the right to be wrong.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: shamrock on September 01, 2011, 02:25:06 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=HfHbdGJlzeA
Nothing whatsoever to do with the thread,but check out the young Spurrier and Bob Griese,too funny.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on September 02, 2011, 03:38:41 pm
canes should never of left the OB, JRS is the worst damn stadium on the face of the planet anyways

the dolphins should never of left the OB for the matter


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: Phishfan on September 02, 2011, 03:59:13 pm
^^^ There is some keen business acumen right there.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: shamrock on September 02, 2011, 05:13:30 pm
I remember watching them play each other in '03 (?)Anyway it was the game where Florida was way ahead at the half and then Miami came back and won( the game where Brock Berlin got in trouble for making the slashing motion acros his throat)It was played in Miami and It seemed to me that the crowd was about 50-50.I think there are alot of Gator alums down there.


Title: Re: F the gators
Post by: MixLovesThemPhins on September 02, 2011, 07:01:52 pm
50-50 at the ob ???? i doubt that