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For all the people who are killing the front office for not pulling the trigger on Orton, I figured I'd make a thread comparing Orton to Henne so far.  I'll try and keep it updated throughout the season, good or bad, to see how it pans out.

I don't take much stock in this.  Preseason doesn't matter all that much, it's when the season actually starts.  BUT....I thought it was interesting looking at Henne vs. Orton in the stat department.  Henne has one more INT than Orton, but has more passing yards and more rushing yards.  Looking at the stats side by side, they are virtually identical.  Like I said, I found it interesting, but take it for what it's worth.

Henne stats:
http://www.nfl.com/player/chadhenne/252/gamelogs (http://www.nfl.com/player/chadhenne/252/gamelogs)

Orton stats:
http://www.nfl.com/player/kyleorton/2506444/gamelogs (http://www.nfl.com/player/kyleorton/2506444/gamelogs)

Good one there Tenshot. 

Why don't we use this thread to keep track of them during the season as well?

Week 1:

Orton:  24/46, 304 yds passing, 1TD, 13 rush yds

Henne:  30/49, 416 yds passing, 2 TD, 1 INT, 59 rush yds, 1 ruTD

I felt bad that Henne threw the INT as time ran out. 

Do we give Orton the "w" for a wet lap? :D  :-[

The garbage time INT is offset by the garbage time yards.

182 of hennes yards were when the team was down by 14 or more with under 8 minutes left in the game.

^^^ I wouldn't call yards accumulated when there are eight minutes left in the game, down only two scores, garbage yards.  NE was still playing all out defense up until Welkers 99 yard score.  Maybe 50 yrds or so could be considered "garbage yards".  Heck, 99 of Brady's yards are "garbage" yards.

When MIA is at the NE 1, down by 14, with 8 minutes in the game... that is not "garbage time."

Garbage time didn't really occur until the Welker TD.

well 111 yards passing and 30 of his rushing yards were after welker scored.

And yet Brady and all the starters still came out to continue to play hard and score more. So there was no true garbage time in the game as NE was playing hard until the 2 min mark at least.

And yet the Pats were playing a soft prevent to keep the dolphins from getting it all back on one play, which is why henne was able to scramble for 19 yards. 

Ok so he got a few more rushing yards. The point is still the same that the Pats were not going to let the Phins rack up points and make the game closer. That is not how Bill coaches.

They were going to not let any receivers behind them, so they rushed 3 or 4 and dropped the rest into deep coverage which is why Henne completed all those underneath passes.

I saw a lot of drop by Ortons receivers last night....they did not help him much.

Week 1 still goes to Henne!!!!!

So then, prior to garbage time he had 305 yards, 1 pass TD, 1 rush TD, 0 INT.

Sounds like a pretty good game to me.

Isn't this by definition what a good QB does? They take whatever the defense is giving you instead of trying to force it.

Henne: 12/30, 170 yards, 1 td, 1 int, 26 rush yds
Orton:  15/25, 195 yards, 2 td, -2 rush yds

SEASON TOTAL

Henne:  50.6 Comp %, 586 pass yards, 3 TD, 2 INT, 85 ruYDS, 1 ruTD
Orton:  56.1 Comp %, 499 pass yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 11 ruYDS, 0 ruTD

Who cares ???

LOL at including Orton's -2 rush yards.  Way to make sure you include his -2 yards rushing from the victory formation to end the game. Henne still fucking sucks.

Stay out of my thread if you aren't going to bring an intelligent discussion to it.
It's called being consistant with the stats I used in week one. 

This has to be one of the most pointless threads ever.

Look out man...stay out of his thread :o

This has to be the most pointless post ever.

Everyone was up in arms that we didn't pull the trigger on the Orton trade.  Comparing stats between the two gives an idea if it was worth passing up or not.  There are a few people on here that are interested in the comparison.

It does not matter what you do man. The chicken little's want Henne cut and everyone fired. Not that this will solve anything or win us any games, but it makes them feel better.

I am interested in the comparison, for what it's worth.

I'm very interested to see what the results are.  Right now, I'd say the results are mixed at best.  50% vs. 50%

I'm not sold on Orton by any means, but I would have liked to see him get a chance to be teamed with Marshall again.

The Broncos played the Raiders and Bengals.  The Dolphins played the Patriots and Texans.

There should be a strength-of-opponent correction factor in there?

in what direction?

^^ My bet is that both New England and Houston will be division winners this season.  Oakland and Cinci won't even be wild card teams.

Yes, NEP and Houston as teams are better than Oakland and Cinci.  Not sure if you can say NEP and Houston have better passing defense than Oakland and Cinci. 

Too early in the season to use this years stats.  But last year, Houston had the worst passing defense in the league.  NE was third worse.  Chargers did a pretty good job ripping thru NE defense yesterday, just like Henne did.

And beyond that, if you are not interested just ignore it. Really how hard is that?

Orton won the game for his team yesterday with his play.

Henne lost it for us by not executing in the red zone. Anyone who thinks Henne wasn't the problem yesterday isn't paying attention. Once we got in the redzone he was beyond horrible. We don't expect Henne to be Rodgers or Brady, but to punch it in the endzone more than once a game isn't asking a lot. Especially when you have 4 trips and too many opportunities to mention. Lead a TD drive for pete sakes!

Yesterday was the same ole Chad Henne, anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves or has their head in the sand

This is just one of the reasons that this website is even funnier than The Onion.

Tepop on Henne 9/12/11
"While a good amount of his passing yards were in garbage time, he did show some speed out there.  Maybe he wil turn out to be ok."

Tepop on Henne 9/18/11
"Henne still fucking blows"

Of course he isn't the only one who does it here, but he is the most entertaining about it.   

Houston went out and got a big upgrade at CB (from Cincinnati, no less), so HOU's DBs got better while CIN's got worse.
OAK lost the best CB in the league.

HOU vs. CIN or OAK last year (in passing defense) is not remotely the same as this year.

Henne put the ball PERFECTLY in Marshall's hands... and Marshall out-and-out dropped it. That's not on Henne.

Anyway, was Henne perfect against the Texans? No, but I thought he had a solid game. Too bad Colombo got owned and caused an interception. That really changed the dynamic of the game.

Nothing is ever Hennes fault.  He is the only qb in the history of the NFL to feel pressure from the defense, or have a receiver not catch a ball.  Amazing how you guys always complain about how hennes numbers are only because of one drop, but never say anything about all the miracle catches that the receivers make for him.  The guy is a garbage qb.

There's 2 camps here:

Those who look at football realistically and are able to be objective

And

Those who hate Chad Henne.

I think we all can tell who's in which group.

I fixed your post.  Keep wearing those rose colored glasses.

Week 3

Henne:  19/29, 255 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 15 ruYDS
Orton:   24/39, 173 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 0 ruYDS

SEASON TOTAL

Henne:  55.6 Comp %,  841 pass yards, 4 TD, 3 INT, 100 ruYDS, 1 ruTD
Orton:   57.9 Comp %,  672 pass yards, 5 TD, 3 INT, 11 ruYDS, 0 ruTD

so they about even is every stat except yards, awesome, dunno what y half u people think orton will be any different

I would take the dolphins receiving core over the broncos, and the broncos didn't play two of the worst nfl passing defenses like Henne did.

ofcourse u would

I'm just glad MIA didn't give up picks for Orton.

WEEK 4

Orton:           

22/32..273 yards..68.8 %..8.53 av. 44 long..3 TD..3 INT..RATE:87.1


Henne:

3/4..27 yards. 75% completion..6.75 av..0 TD..1 INT..RATE: 53.1 (obviously injured)



SEASON:

Orton:

85/142..945yards..59.9% comp..6.66 av..8 TD..52 Long..6 INT..2 fumbles..RATE: 80.9

Henne:

64/112..868 yards..57.1 % comp..7.75 av..4 TD..41 long..4 INT..0 fumbles..RATE:79.0



Season is 25% over and neither is really more impressive than the other.  I personally am happy that this trade fell through.  We probably would've been out 2 drafts picks and invested a lot of money in a slightly better quarterback

^^Agreed. -EK

Exactly! Now that Orton was benched for Tebow (nice guy, just not an NFL QB), it's looking better and better that the Fins held off on this trade.