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Title: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: jtex316 on September 06, 2011, 03:31:56 pm I say yes - a real QB competition can emerge, and Garrard is a veteran QB who has played in the playoffs and won a playoff game (edited b/c I thought he played in the AFC title game).
Here's an excerpt from 2007 from Wikipedia: Quote 2007: Change at quarterback leads to a playoff run On April 28, 2007, the Jaguars used their first-round pick (21st overall) to select Florida safety Reggie Nelson, who in 2010 was traded to the Cincinnati Bengals. On June 15, 2007, the Jaguars released longtime strong safety Donovin Darius, who had seen diminished playing time in recent years due to mounting injuries. On August 31, 2007, the Jaguars announced that long time back-up quarterback David Garrard would start for the team, ahead of former 1st round draft pick, Byron Leftwich who was released in the team's final roster cuts. Garrard led the Jaguars to an 11–5 record and the playoffs. On January 5, 2008, the Jaguars defeated the Pittsburgh Steelers 31–29 to win their first playoff game in almost 8 years and their first road playoff win since 1997. It was also the first time in the 50+ year history of the Steelers that they had been beaten twice at home by the same team in the same season. However, in the divisional round, the Jaguars fell to the as of then undefeated New England Patriots; the teams were tied at halftime, but the Patriots pulled ahead and won 31–20. Tom Brady completed 22 of 24 passes in this game, being pressured by the Jaguars' defense only once, on the first play. This game, more than any other, gave the Jaguars' front office a strong desire to upgrade the pass rush during the offseason. The team's offense in 2007 was largely a run-first offense, with Maurice Jones-Drew and Fred Taylor putting up a lot of yards. David Garrard, however showed to be an accurate passer in 2007, throwing only 3 interceptions. Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Sunstroke on September 06, 2011, 03:33:22 pm I personally think that Garrard sucks...but what could it hurt to upgrade our backup QB position? Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Doc-phin on September 06, 2011, 03:38:28 pm Easy vote for me - NO.
Maybe you are just pulling one of those anti-Dolphins maneuvers. If Henne isn't the answer this year, I am pretty sure we will draft one with our 1st pick this off season. We may even mortgage the rest of our draft to move up for a QB. Henne and Moore look good enough to roll with this year. Free agent QBs are rarely the answer; Garrard had a good couple of years but has otherwise been underwhelming. Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: tubba marxxx on September 06, 2011, 03:42:44 pm No..the Colts should though
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: bsfins on September 06, 2011, 04:15:05 pm I personally think that Garrard sucks...but what could it hurt to upgrade our backup QB position? This is pretty close to how I feel,except I have no feelings for Garrard either way...I think he's better than Matt Moore,IMO that's not saying much...If he was here for a back up for the min,on a 1 year deal it wouldn't break my heart... Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: jtex316 on September 06, 2011, 04:23:26 pm Maybe you are just pulling one of those anti-Dolphins maneuvers. Oh no, I'm pretty sure I don't have the power to cut David Garrard from the Jacksonville Jaguars. Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: MikeO on September 06, 2011, 05:31:06 pm He is better than Moore so in that respect YES we should at least consider signing him
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Brian Fein on September 06, 2011, 05:53:14 pm I say F no.
Here's what happens: sign Garrard, people start chanting for him the second Chad makes the smallest mistake. If this happens, the season is over. Chad will get frazzled, make more mistakes, the coaching staff will stick with him cause they know he is better than that. He will continue to make mistakes and fans will turn on the team. Everyone gets fired after the Dolphins lose 12 games. So, yeah, if you want to completely demolish the team, go ahead and sign David Garrard. Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: MikeO on September 06, 2011, 06:01:00 pm I say F no. Here's what happens: sign Garrard, people start chanting for him the second Chad makes the smallest mistake. If this happens, the season is over. Chad will get frazzled, make more mistakes, the coaching staff will stick with him cause they know he is better than that. He will continue to make mistakes and fans will turn on the team. Everyone gets fired after the Dolphins lose 12 games. So, yeah, if you want to completely demolish the team, go ahead and sign David Garrard. Hate to break it to ya, if Chad starts making mistakes (even small ones)....people will be chanting for Moore and for Sparano to be fired. Whether Garard is here or not means nothing. If Henne plays bad all hell will break loose! Kind of tough for the Fans to turn on the team when there are some 15,000 tickets available for most games NOT aside from the home opener! lol Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on September 06, 2011, 06:16:17 pm I say F no. Agreed....like it was stated above I too think Gerrard sucks. Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Brian Fein on September 06, 2011, 06:29:02 pm Mike, not all fans take joy in seeing their team fail, just so they can be "right" on a message board.
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Alwaysdullfan on September 06, 2011, 06:42:04 pm I say YES! Im not sayin he's a great QB but he can play good and has more experience than Henne. Esp since they passed on Orton I hope they go after him, I think he can make that offense more explosive, Henne isnt bad but he just cant get over that step to run good offense. Garrard has a strong arm(so does Henne I guess) and with B.Marshall R.Bush and his ability to move around I think they should go for it definetly. Im not saying start him, but maybe little compettion would wake Henne up and make him play better. Get the ball to Marshall!! and take advantage of defenses doublereamin Marshall and get it to Bess. And if Garrard turns out to be better than give David the job, I think he would work great with Bush and those guys. Marshall is one of the best WR in this league right now, we need a QB to get him the ball. What bothers me about Henne is that he doesnt show emotion, maybe its good cuz he doesnt seem to panic but he's not consistent enough, niether is Gerrard but def better than any other QB on Dolphins roster. Matt Moore, r u kidding me. Adding David Garrard would create QB competition for a starting job and force them both to play better. It makes me mad as a fan, we were promised more explosive offense but yet the managment doesnt seem to be doing crap about it!
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: mecadonzilla on September 06, 2011, 06:52:57 pm Hate to break it to ya, if Chad starts making mistakes (even small ones)....people will be chanting for Moore and for Sparano to be fired. Whether Garard is here or not means nothing. If Henne plays bad all hell will break loose! That's a pretty accurate assessment, actually. Still, Garrard sucks and I don't want him here. One of the reasons he was axed in Jax is because he wasn't a team leader, and this offense needs someone to lead it. To pick him up would be a lateral move at best. Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: StL FinFan on September 06, 2011, 07:19:36 pm pass
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Alwaysdullfan on September 06, 2011, 07:59:06 pm Colts already got Kerry Collins, they dont need Garrard. And of course Dan Orlovsky from UConn baby!! haha
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: bsfins on September 06, 2011, 09:32:13 pm I say F no. Here's what happens: sign Garrard, people start chanting for him the second Chad makes the smallest mistake. If this happens, the season is over. Chad will get frazzled, make more mistakes, the coaching staff will stick with him cause they know he is better than that. He will continue to make mistakes and fans will turn on the team. Everyone gets fired after the Dolphins lose 12 games. So, yeah, if you want to completely demolish the team, go ahead and sign David Garrard. I agree with the sediment,and understand it...I feel the gnats will come out of no where and infest the board,they're idiot fans that are going to bitch either way...They will bitch the season is over after the first bad game...We lose two in a row, they'll be damn near suicidal wanting everyone fired...3 in a row, they will be screaming for boycotts,and to never watch again...We're DOOMED,We're Doomed the End of the world! ;) ;D Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Tenshot13 on September 06, 2011, 09:54:38 pm Even though I think Garrard is very underrated, I say pass. Henne is our guy, like it or not. I was down for a QB competition in preseason, whoever they brought in, but now I think it's too late for that. Do or die with Henne.
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: mecadonzilla on September 06, 2011, 10:12:22 pm Henne is our guy, like it or not. I was down for a QB competition in preseason, whoever they brought in, but now I think it's too late for that. Do or die with Henne. At this point, it's probably the best option. I think Sporano and Ireland feel the same way also. Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: masterfins on September 07, 2011, 01:47:50 am Pass, not much of an upgrade if any. Red flags going up if he is being cut at this point. It's one thing to have some healthy QB rivalry in the pre-season, but its just a huge distraction now that the season is starting.
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Frimp on September 07, 2011, 02:12:26 am No.
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Dolphin-UK on September 07, 2011, 03:10:27 am Henne is either a good enough QB or he's not. If he is, that's great no problem.
If he's not we're going to suck and no amount of other teams' reject QB's is going to change that. Very rarely does a quality QB enter the market, and unfortunately last time one did we took Culpepper over him and it was the wrong call. This is not the same case and we need to stop living and dying by that moment every time another team cuts a QB who has started a game for them. If Henne isn't the answer the last thing we need is a three way competiton between scrub QB's. (actually if Henne isn't the answer I'm content for us to suck all season long to get a high draft pick and actively attack the QB position in the off season but I appreciate that tanking the season isn't going to make the fans too happy!) Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: MikeO on September 07, 2011, 06:10:43 am Pass, not much of an upgrade if any. Red flags going up if he is being cut at this point. It's one thing to have some healthy QB rivalry in the pre-season, but its just a huge distraction now that the season is starting. he was ONLY cut because of his $8 mill contract. Not because of his play Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: jtex316 on September 07, 2011, 07:38:38 am Henne is either a good enough QB or he's not. ... If Henne isn't the answer the last thing we need is a three way competiton between scrub QB's. I got news for you - Henne is not a good enough QB. Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Diehard_Dolfan on September 07, 2011, 08:50:54 am I got news for you - Henne is not a good enough QB. I'm not a fan of Garrard... but, I think we could use him! He's an upgrade as a back up to any other QB on our roster. With that being said... I have a friend who's a big Jags fan. For yrs he has complained that other than Maurice Jones-Drew the Jags haven't had any offensive weapons... If you look at it since Jimmy Smith retired the Jags haven't had a real #1 or 2 receiver. Despite playing with a Walmart cast on offense (that's an actual sports writer quote) Gerrard has done a pretty good job completing 60% of his passes and his TD to Int ratio ( 84 touchdowns against 54 interceptions) is pretty good! If he could be had for a song and a dance I say yes... if it's going to cost us to bring him in? Then I say Oh hell no!!! Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Dolphin-UK on September 07, 2011, 09:05:48 am I got news for you - Henne is not a good enough QB. I suspect we could have genetically enhance cross hybrid of Marino, Montana, Brady and Manning and you would still make the same comment as long as he played for the Fins, however, fair comment and to some extent I agree with it in so much as I would agree that Chad Henne is not nor ever will be an elite QB (obviously!), but I would rather wait for the evidence of the upcoming season to base a judgement on whether he is 'good enough' for us to win and build on. QB's more so than any other players are victims of circumstance, they rely on a number of external factors to allow them to demonstrate their capabilities. Chad Henne had an unfortunate set of external factors last year (no running game, poor playcalling) and with a change in offense if he still continues to struggle my opinion will probably be much the same as yours. Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: fyo on September 07, 2011, 09:11:53 am This year is going to be a real test of what Henne can actually do. He struggled last year, no question, and didn't fit the offensive system at all. This year, Daboll is going taking the offense in a new direction and Henne will get all the rope he can handle. Let's just hope he doesn't hang himself with it.
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: MaineDolFan on September 07, 2011, 01:20:46 pm Whatever brings us closer to Andrew Luck, I say do it.
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Thundergod on September 07, 2011, 06:45:19 pm ...and they'd probably pass up Luck to draft a guard.
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: MaineDolFan on September 09, 2011, 02:06:02 pm ...and they'd probably pass up Luck to draft a guard. Or a corner. Fletcher, anyone? Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: Sunstroke on September 09, 2011, 04:53:40 pm I'm pretty certain that Miami won't be in contention for Luck next year...there are quite a few teams worse off than the Phins. That said, I like both of the other first round grade QBs, Matt Barkley and Landry Jones, so if Miami decides that Henne isn't working out, they'll definitely have an opportunity to grab one of those guys... Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: MikeO on September 09, 2011, 07:04:19 pm I'm pretty certain that Miami won't be in contention for Luck next year...there are quite a few teams worse off than the Phins. That said, I like both of the other first round grade QBs, Matt Barkley and Landry Jones, so if Miami decides that Henne isn't working out, they'll definitely have an opportunity to grab one of those guys... Barkley is going Top 5, Miami would have to really suck to get him too. Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: BigDaddyFin on September 09, 2011, 07:32:42 pm I don't want David Garrard. If Chad Henne has that bad a year, cut him and draft someone. There's nothing really that says Garrard would be that much of an improvement.
Title: Re: Should Miami go after David Garrard? Post by: MikeO on September 10, 2011, 03:29:57 am I don't want David Garrard. If Chad Henne has that bad a year, cut him and draft someone. There's nothing really that says Garrard would be that much of an improvement. don't have to cut him, Henne is a Free Agent after this year. |