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If the Fins don't win this weekend against another bottom feeder team like the Browns the season is officially over. And now you have to start looking long-term. Obviously the coaching staff will get blown up mid-season or after the season and we will be starting over. I have a bad feeling Ireland might survive any house cleaning for the fact he didn't mortgage the future and for a guy with his job on the line that is odd. He might have been told he is safe by the owner. Plus there was "rumors" last year Cowher didn't want to talk to Ross cause Ireland wasn't going anyplace. So, we might be stuck with Ireland.

With that said, with the trade deadline in early October, if our season is "lost" by then, we gotta start looking to trade of "valuable" parts and get something in return....ie PICKS! What parts do we have, the biggest would be Brandon Marshall. I could see a WR desperate team like the Rams, Redskins, or Bears being interested and if we could get a 2nd round pick in return, do it!

Not sure a team would give up much for Bess to make it worth anything. Wake is a free agent and his level of play after 2 games has been so poor not sure what he would net in return. But if we got a chance to move Marshall and get a 2nd rounder in a few weeks, gotta pull that trigger.

Yeah, by all means, let's flush everything AGAIN and suck for years to come.

For all the times someone digs up a team going from very few wins to a lot (always without any context, of course), it's amazing that no one has shown how often a team that KEEPS flushing everything suddenly starts winning (consistently). I'd wager it hasn't happened. Ever.

Getting rid of our best players is just about the most stupid thing one could possibly do at this point.

Your post has merit, but your first paragraph makes it seem like more incessant whining and assumption.  The season is NOT OFFICIALLY over until after week 17.

That said, to your real point, I think trading away key cogs right now is wrong.  Given the drafting ability of the buffoons in charge, I'd rather keep the team's talent and try to build on a strong nucleus.

Besides, this isn't MLB where teams that are out of it firesale their guys every year.  That just doesn't happen in the NFL.

I guess the REAL problem lies with possibly unloading players for picks (under this regime)...BECAUSE basically you are telling the GM that this is a total rebuild and in most cases, he will be fired . I think that this happens in the offseason  with a new GM and Coach...not with a bandaid we are close fix, but with a total rebuild focused upon acquiring as many draft picks as possible./

I get what you're saying..but not with this ass-clown Ireland calling the shots. 

1) Marshall isn't our best player. He might be the 3rd best player on our offense in reality behind Long and Pouncey

2) flush everything....we have next to nothing. Aside from our left tackle we have little to nothing on this roster other teams want

That is a load of crap. Sorry. If any team is 1-5 or 2-6, guess what the year is OFFICIALLY OVER!

Outside of: Long, Pouncey, Davis, Wake, Dansby, and Bell...everything must go

I'm kind of confused by MikeO's post, seems to contradict his thought in other posts.  You start this post by saying we might be "stuck" with Ireland for another year, yet you want to trade away "valuable" parts for picks - yet in other posts you repeatedly say how Ireland sucks at picking players...so why on Earth would you think we should trade valuable parts for picks??

I agree with Brian, this is not MLB where teams trade away top players every year.

I want Ireland gone. But I live in "REALITY" and know he might be staying beyond this year. What I want and what will happen are 2 different things. I live in REALITY, and deal with the situation at hand. So lets talk about what will happen and not live in some fantasy world and talk about what should happen or what probably won't happen.

Ireland should be gone. But our owner is a fool and seems to like him.

^^ because Ross is even more clueless than Ireland..so from Ross's perception, Ireland is a genius

when in REALITY..he's a fucking moron who still has a boner for his years in Dallas

as long as Ireland is around, Ross doesn't have to make any football decisions..he can focus on "putting fans in the seats"....but apparently he's doing a piss poor job at that too

LOL, In one line you say lets not talk about what should happen, then the very next line you say Ireland should be gone.  Too funny.  I'm not saying Ireland should stay or go, nor do I know what you consider "REALITY".

You asked me a question, I answered. If you can't figure it out then I don't know what to tell ya. It's pretty simple.

And it wasn't the very next line. I made one point. Then I answered your question which was another point. I figured those 3 years in the 2nd grade would have helped you figure that out

Actually you make no sense at all!

You say we should trade for picks but you say Ireland sucks at picking players!  So we should trade away good players we have so Ireland can bring in more players that suck?

Yeah makes perfect sense to me... ::)

Hey I only spent two years in 2nd grade, it was 1st grade that took me three years.  Learning the A, B, E's was tough.

I'm sure glad that you're not a member of the Miami Dolphins because If ANY of them feel this way, they should quit playing football. Right now. Don't wait, because your career is OVER. I've never seen any athlete worth a lick that believed the season was over half way through the season no matter what the circumstances.

The playoffs is the goal, but when the goal becomes unobtainable, you change the goal, you don't give up on the season. If the playoffs is out of the picture than you change the goal to win the rest of the games, or make it to .500 or whatever, but you NEVER ever give up on the season. Never.

Depends on who you are trading.  A solid player with 3 years left on his contract would be short term thinking.  A player who will be a FA at the end of the season makes a lot of sense. 

If the Dolphins' season is truly in fact over if they lose on Sunday and they go on to "clean house" as some of you suggest...and as some others of you have also suggested, the QB position is everything, why not trade the entire 2012 draft to whomever is going to get the #1 overall pick to that team to grab Andrew Luck?

Since the Dolphins have had very little success in the draft, you might as well do this b/c chances are the Dolphins won't be picking up anyone in the draft in traditional means that will be any good anyways, so you might as well trade the whole thing up for Luck.

no one is going to pass on drafting luck.

you could try and give away 2 whole drafts for the pick, won't make a difference. the evaluation is that he is the next peyton manning. u are not trading away potential peyton manning success for the next 12+ years for anything.

Maybe, maybe not. 

It is not common for a team to have a franchise QB and be the first overall pick, but is possible. 

1. Colts have the worst record in the league, but prognosis for Manning returning is excellent.  Trade down 2 to 5 spots for a 2012 2nd and 2013 1st. 

2. Cleveland has the worst record in the league.  Atlanta trades this pick.  Same deal with Saints and NE, but the odds of Brown getting the first overall is better than New Orleans.

3. A team is an utter disaster.  QB is one of many holes.  GM decides having extra picks are worth passing on the possibility that Luck is the next Manning/Brady. 

i'd say except for those teams that have high investments in a young qb, no one would trade out.

the colts won't pass on drafting the heir to manning. they were an utter disaster before they drafted manning.

probably a team like st louis would entertain trading out, same with carolina. be an interesting discussion in the jags, vikes draft room i would think.

new economics of the draft, we're not talking a cost prohibitive sam bradford type contract here.

No team will pass on Luck. He is being compared to Elway/Manning no team will not take him. If the Panthers end up with the #1 pick they will take Luck and find a way to move Newton. That's how much of a "sure thing" Luck is

No team will pass on Luck, unless a team like Atlanta ends up with #1 and they are asking too much for the trade.  I think they still take their guy there.

However, I also don't think Luck is a shoe-in to be Peyton Manning.  It greatly depends on where he's drafted and what other cogs that team has in place next season.  He could be the next Ryan Leaf.

If Newton continues at anything like the pace he is at right now, the Panthers would be idiots to trade him.

I don't care how good Luck is projected to be.  Even if he achieves that, with the way Newton is headed, picking Luck would be like the '83 Raiders getting rid of Marcus Allen so they could draft Eric Dickerson.  It's stupid and counterproductive.  A bird in the hand...

This.

I believe I've gotten to the point where I'll agree with you, MikeO, that Ireland sucks, or at least is just not good enough, and therefore probably needs to go, but if that's the case--but you still think he'll be here--then why the hell would you want him trading away what we know are decent players at the least (I think more highly of Marshall and Bess than you obviously do; Wake has really been a disappointment thus far this season, but we'll see since it's only been two games) for what will probably be mediocre or bad, and inexperienced, draft picks? 

Makes no sense to me.  I have little to no faith in this guy in picking from the 2nd round on (Pat White [I don't care if it was Parcells call or not!], Philip Merling, Patrick Turner, etc., etc., that are just early or "mid-round" picks, let alone late round picks), so yes, I've gotten to the point with this current regime that if they're gonna stay around (hopefully not at this rate), I'd rather keep what we know is decent (few players, I'll admit) and take other teams' good players if they somehow became available.  Is this normally ever a good strategy?  No, not at all.  In fact, I hate it.  But from what this regime has shown with its *ability* in 4 seasons' time now, I definitely don't wanna be giving away decent, fairly young, non-injured talent such as Marshall or Bess for a bust of a 2nd-3rd round selected defensive or offensive lineman!

I don't find it ridiculous at all that other posters are questioning your logic here.  Now if we could get a decent, Scott Pioli-like GM.....

What I want and what will actually happen are 2 different things.  ::) I didn't think it was a tough concept to understand. Guess I was wrong.

Just because Ireland has sucked thus far, doesn't mean you DON'T do a good deal to put your team in a better position long-term. If you just throw your hands up and say we can't do this cause our GM sucks, then might as well close shop and stop trying to be an NFL team. THAT LOGIC I DON'T UNDERSTAND!